Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Despite the conspiracies among the Christian authorities in collaborations with the Roman power, the stories of Mohammed still went far. Truth can never be denied or killed, it must reveal it self one day!
You mean went far, through jihad or holy war( bloodshed). Interesting!

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Chuck, don't go NEAR that irony meter.
Likewise.

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<quoted text>no, you have been shown the proof time and time again on these pages. the god of your cult is made up of proven lies. he is a myth.
there could possibly be a god out there, it is as unprovable as the existence of the flying spaghetti monster, but there is not the god of your cult, that has been proven. you are worshiping to a lie.
Keep on listening to the lies of your cult, Woody.
Next crap?
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Did Jesus Really Exist?
By Paul L. Maier, The Russell H. Seibert Professor of Ancient History, Western Michigan University
External Evidence: Jewish
The Jewish rabbinical traditions not only mention Jesus, but they are also the only sources that spell his name accurately in Aramaic, his native tongue: Yeshua Hannotzri—Joshua (Jesus) of Nazareth. Some of the references to Jesus in the Talmud are garbled—probably due to the vagaries of oral tradition—but one is especially accurate, since it seems based on written sources and comes from the Mishna—the earliest collection of writings in theTalmud. This is no less than the arrest notice for Jesus, which runs as follows:
He shall be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and lured Israel to apostasy. Anyone who can say anything in his favor, let him come forward and plead on his behalf. Anyone who knows where he is, let him declare it to the Great Sanhedrin in Jerusalem.
Four items in this statement strongly support its authenticity as a notice composed before Jesus' arrest: 1) The future tense is used; 2) Stoning was the regular punishment for blasphemy among the Jews whenever the Roman government was not involved; 3) There is no reference whatever to crucifixion; and 4) That Jesus was performing "sorcery"— the extraordinary or miraculous with a negative spin—is quite remarkable. This not only invokes what historians call the "criterion of embarrassment," which proves what is conceded, but accords perfectly with how Jesus' opponents explained away his miraculous healings: performing them with the help of Beelzebul (Luke 11:18).
Moreover, the first-century Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, twice mentions "Jesus who is called the Christ" in his Jewish Antiquities. In the second of these, he tells of the death of Jesus' half-brother James the Just of Jerusalem (20:200). And two books earlier, in the longest first-century non-biblical reference to Christ, he tells of Jesus midway through his discussion of events in Pontius Pilate's administration:
More......
External Evidence: Secular
Cornelius Tacitus, one of the most reliable source historians of first-century Rome, wrote in his Annals a year-by-year account of events in the Roman Empire under the early Caesars. Among the highlights that he reports for the year A.D. 64 was the great fire of Rome. People blamed the emperor Nero for this conflagration since it happened "on his watch," but in order to save himself, Nero switched the blame to "the Christians," which is the first time they appear in secular history. Careful historian that he was, Tacitus then explains who "the Christians" were: "Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilatus" (15:44). He then goes on to report the horrors that were inflicted on the Christians in what became their first Roman persecution.
Tacitus, it should be emphasized, was not some Christian historian who was trying to prove that Jesus Christ really lived, but a pagan who despised Christians as a "disease," a term he uses later in the passage. Had Jesus never even existed, he would have been the first to expose that pathetic phantom on whom such cultists placed their trust. Were no other references to Jesus available, this passage alone would have been sufficient to establish his historicity. Skeptics realize this, and so have tried every imaginable means to discredit this passage—but to no avail. Manuscript analysis and computer studies have never found any reason to call this sentence into question, nor its context.
For More see his full article.
YAWN........ The Josephus fraud has already been proven. I didn't bother with the rest of your rant.

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<quoted text> You mean went far, through jihad or holy war( bloodshed). Interesting!
the same way christianity spread....funny that, its the same god y'all worship!

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I am the guy who's pointing out that Jewish conspiracies wiping out all the evidence you need is NOT our problem.(shrug)
Oh by the way, your second sentence contradicts your first. This means you're lying. But then you already know that. And so does everyone else.
How?
What contradicts what?
Ofcourse the Jewish authorities conspired with the Romans to erase any traces of Jesus existence.
Herod even did part of that, by wiping out every age groups of Jesus.

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<quoted text>YAWN........ The Josephus fraud has already been proven. I didn't bother with the rest of your rant.


We might also note that Tacitus was born in 56. So not a contemporary of Jesus and therefore was telling a second (or third) hand story.

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<quoted text> Keep on listening to the lies of your cult, Woody.
Next crap?
no cult and no lies. just proven facts.

your cult lied to you...repeatedly. now you are telling the same lies and you know it.

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<quoted text>I always do. Too bad you don't heed your own advice. Ok Dipshitt?
Irony.

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<quoted text>the same way christianity spread....funny that, its the same god y'all worship!
So, before the Romans under Emperor Constantine recognised Christianity, a solid war were fought?
Think, Woody.

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<quoted text>no cult and no lies. just proven facts.
your cult lied to you...repeatedly. now you are telling the same lies and you know it.
Bearing false witness again, Buddy Wood.

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<quoted text> So, before the Romans under Emperor Constantine recognised Christianity, a solid war were fought?
Think, Woody.
think about what? your post made no sense at all.

the history of christians killing people to spread their cult is widespread and verifiable. it spread a bloody swath across our planet in doing so.

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<quoted text>Bearing false witness again, Buddy Wood.
no, Chaz, just proven fact.
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<quoted text> Irony.
How so?

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"could actually HAVE a physical form that He reproduced in some sort of cute miniature for humans"
This is a good point. But according to the Bible, God has shown his face or himself to many humans though out time. While he most likely doesn't hold this form it seems to be the form he chooses to manifest himself as.
"Perhaps more intelligent readers would understand that by "in his image" was meant the ability to think and perceive and create, or to act with free will"
It is conceivable. You could also be correct somethings we will never know in this life. I would not rule out either possibility.
Meaning, if God showed "a face" that was manifested to be familiar to humans, then its perfectly compatible that we evolved from apes and our physical image is just a reflection of that.

On planet Zog where the intelligent life resembles a six legged giant squid, God came down to enlighten the natives and manifested himself as a squidly beast, not an apelike one. Just so as not to scare them.

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<quoted text>How?
What contradicts what?
Ofcourse the Jewish authorities conspired with the Romans to erase any traces of Jesus existence.
Herod even did part of that, by wiping out every age groups of Jesus.
hahahaha

The best proof you have that Jesus existed is the complete lack of reliable evidence for him then? That is insanely circular.

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<quoted text> A religion that is solely concerned or interested in blood shed (jihad), is never(not) the will of God.
Yet Islam is not solely concerned with Jihad. That is the silliest thing I ever heard.

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<quoted text>think about what? your post made no sense at all.
the history of christians killing people to spread their cult is widespread and verifiable. it spread a bloody swath across our planet in doing so.
Likewise.
Now tell me and don't run away, did the Christians fought with the Romans before the religion was recognised?

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<quoted text> You mean the Balkans. Greece today, is predominantly Christian nation.
God speak to us daily using prophets to tell us the way forward, but the problem with us, is that we normally pay a deaf ears to that. What can God do in that regard?
Greece was for centuries under the control of the Muslim Turks.

But that is not the main issue. All of North Africa and the near middle east, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, were permanently changed to Islam by God's will, since He let the Islamic conquerors overrun all of these previously Christian places. Spain too, though that was taken back by the Catholics after hundreds of years of fighting.

You have to understand here Charles, I do not actually think Christianity, Islam, or Judaism are REALLY God's will. They are all human Cults, that's all. But claiming God is on YOUR Cult's side looks pretty silly when you consider all of history. And there are major civilisations such as the Hindu and the Chinese that developed advanced moral systems with hardly a thought of these Monotheistic Cults of the "far western barbarians" any more than Christians gave a damn about the Aztecs (except to run them through with swords and steal their gold).

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<quoted text> Likewise.
Now tell me and don't run away, did the Christians fought with the Romans before the religion was recognised?
What does that have to do with the bloody swath that christianity spread across the globe in their zeal to spread their cult?

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