Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 171807 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85373 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"Yeah, isn't it funny that GOD let more than half of the old Roman, Christian Empire fall to the Muslim infidels in a few short years, turning millions of Christians into Muslims which by your belief system means they should be on their way to hell instead of heaven."
You seem to have a hard time with the free will concept that God gave man.
Only because it violates Curtis' "LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION!" Surely we cannot allow that.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85374 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
A cult is nothing more then a religion
Atheism is a religion therefore a cult.
ATHEISM IS A RELIGION as deemed by the courts.
John Calvert, a lawyer and intelligent design proponent declared:
The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States held that ATHEISM IS A RELIGION. Therefore, it cannot be promoted by a public school.
It is treated as a religion for Constitutional legal purposes so that the rights of atheists as a group can be maintained, along with those of non-atheist groups.
KJV wrote:
Currently, public schools are often unwittingly promoting atheism through a dogmatic and uncritical teaching of materialistic theories of origins.
Oh dear. Sorry K, but ALL science is "materialistic". When was the last time you saw an official weather report on TV seriously claiming that hurricane hilda is due to the Gods being angry?

Turns out you tried that line of argumentation in court multiple times.

You STILL lost.

Teaching science you don't like is not the same as teaching atheism.

So every time you complain about "non-materialistic dogma" all you're REALLY saying is Goddidit with magic.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85376 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean without a creator?
That would be by your definition MAGIC!
Nope. Your creator is magic because you propose a who with zero mechanisms other than magic poof.

Just because you can't personally grasp the idea of the universe coming into existence without a god doesn't mean that your argument from incredulity is valid.

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#85377 Apr 8, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>His arse.
Always learn to say meaningful things. Ok, Crappy?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85378 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"Why couldn't the universe exist on its own? "
Did the universe always exist?
Your science claims a age to the universe. The universe is everything. So there had to be nothing before the universe. The laws of our universe does not allow something to come from nothing.
It had to then be created.
Actually in our universe we have scientifically observed particle/anti-particle pairs spontaneously appearing in a vacuum. There is no cause. This is not a problem within the model of quantum physics although it is not consistent with classical Newtonian mechanics.

Not that this should be a problem for you, since under God, mechanics schmechanics. Nothing matters.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85379 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"And KJV, what is the difference between your creator and magic? It can be shown how the universe can come from nothing from understanding the laws of physics."
In your eyes there would be no difference. However magic could not exist if there was nothing. Nothing is a complete void of everything.
You believe all that ever existed sprang fourth out of nothingness.
I claim it was all created.
... by an invisible magic Jew wizard who poofed it all into existence cuz it sez so in this old book that says donkeys and lizards talk and that the Earth is a flat square circle at the center of a geocentric universe.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#85380 Apr 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Always learn to say meaningful things. Ok, Crappy?
I always do. Too bad you don't heed your own advice. Ok Dipshitt?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85381 Apr 8, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
"rather sad that you think you are perfect.."
When God created man, he created him perfect. Man sinned and brought death into the world. So we are not perfect any longer.
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
I was created whole and perfect.
So you're perfectly imperfect. Thought so.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85382 Apr 8, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
No, not a Freudian slip. I am perfect. one of the lucky few. But sin is what caused you to be born less then perfect.
You're not lucky, just ridiculously self-involved. In fact your ego probably shatters door frames everywhere you walk.(shrug)
KJV

United States

#85383 Apr 8, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>**********
ry
Did Jesus Really Exist?
By Paul L. Maier, The Russell H. Seibert Professor of Ancient History, Western Michigan University

External Evidence: Jewish

The Jewish rabbinical traditions not only mention Jesus, but they are also the only sources that spell his name accurately in Aramaic, his native tongue: Yeshua Hannotzri—Joshua (Jesus) of Nazareth. Some of the references to Jesus in the Talmud are garbled—probably due to the vagaries of oral tradition—but one is especially accurate, since it seems based on written sources and comes from the Mishna—the earliest collection of writings in theTalmud. This is no less than the arrest notice for Jesus, which runs as follows:

He shall be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and lured Israel to apostasy. Anyone who can say anything in his favor, let him come forward and plead on his behalf. Anyone who knows where he is, let him declare it to the Great Sanhedrin in Jerusalem.

Four items in this statement strongly support its authenticity as a notice composed before Jesus' arrest: 1) The future tense is used; 2) Stoning was the regular punishment for blasphemy among the Jews whenever the Roman government was not involved; 3) There is no reference whatever to crucifixion; and 4) That Jesus was performing "sorcery"— the extraordinary or miraculous with a negative spin—is quite remarkable. This not only invokes what historians call the "criterion of embarrassment," which proves what is conceded, but accords perfectly with how Jesus' opponents explained away his miraculous healings: performing them with the help of Beelzebul (Luke 11:18).

Moreover, the first-century Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, twice mentions "Jesus who is called the Christ" in his Jewish Antiquities. In the second of these, he tells of the death of Jesus' half-brother James the Just of Jerusalem (20:200). And two books earlier, in the longest first-century non-biblical reference to Christ, he tells of Jesus midway through his discussion of events in Pontius Pilate's administration:

More......

External Evidence: Secular

Cornelius Tacitus, one of the most reliable source historians of first-century Rome, wrote in his Annals a year-by-year account of events in the Roman Empire under the early Caesars. Among the highlights that he reports for the year A.D. 64 was the great fire of Rome. People blamed the emperor Nero for this conflagration since it happened "on his watch," but in order to save himself, Nero switched the blame to "the Christians," which is the first time they appear in secular history. Careful historian that he was, Tacitus then explains who "the Christians" were: "Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilatus" (15:44). He then goes on to report the horrors that were inflicted on the Christians in what became their first Roman persecution.

Tacitus, it should be emphasized, was not some Christian historian who was trying to prove that Jesus Christ really lived, but a pagan who despised Christians as a "disease," a term he uses later in the passage. Had Jesus never even existed, he would have been the first to expose that pathetic phantom on whom such cultists placed their trust. Were no other references to Jesus available, this passage alone would have been sufficient to establish his historicity. Skeptics realize this, and so have tried every imaginable means to discredit this passage—but to no avail. Manuscript analysis and computer studies have never found any reason to call this sentence into question, nor its context.

For More see his full article.


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#85384 Apr 8, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Despite the conspiracies among the Christian authorities in collaborations with the Roman power, the stories of Mohammed still went far. Truth can never be denied or killed, it must reveal it self one day!
You mean went far, through jihad or holy war( bloodshed). Interesting!

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#85385 Apr 8, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Chuck, don't go NEAR that irony meter.
Likewise.

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#85386 Apr 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, you have been shown the proof time and time again on these pages. the god of your cult is made up of proven lies. he is a myth.
there could possibly be a god out there, it is as unprovable as the existence of the flying spaghetti monster, but there is not the god of your cult, that has been proven. you are worshiping to a lie.
Keep on listening to the lies of your cult, Woody.
Next crap?
Elohim

Branford, CT

#85387 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Did Jesus Really Exist?
By Paul L. Maier, The Russell H. Seibert Professor of Ancient History, Western Michigan University
External Evidence: Jewish
The Jewish rabbinical traditions not only mention Jesus, but they are also the only sources that spell his name accurately in Aramaic, his native tongue: Yeshua Hannotzri—Joshua (Jesus) of Nazareth. Some of the references to Jesus in the Talmud are garbled—probably due to the vagaries of oral tradition—but one is especially accurate, since it seems based on written sources and comes from the Mishna—the earliest collection of writings in theTalmud. This is no less than the arrest notice for Jesus, which runs as follows:
He shall be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and lured Israel to apostasy. Anyone who can say anything in his favor, let him come forward and plead on his behalf. Anyone who knows where he is, let him declare it to the Great Sanhedrin in Jerusalem.
Four items in this statement strongly support its authenticity as a notice composed before Jesus' arrest: 1) The future tense is used; 2) Stoning was the regular punishment for blasphemy among the Jews whenever the Roman government was not involved; 3) There is no reference whatever to crucifixion; and 4) That Jesus was performing "sorcery"— the extraordinary or miraculous with a negative spin—is quite remarkable. This not only invokes what historians call the "criterion of embarrassment," which proves what is conceded, but accords perfectly with how Jesus' opponents explained away his miraculous healings: performing them with the help of Beelzebul (Luke 11:18).
Moreover, the first-century Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, twice mentions "Jesus who is called the Christ" in his Jewish Antiquities. In the second of these, he tells of the death of Jesus' half-brother James the Just of Jerusalem (20:200). And two books earlier, in the longest first-century non-biblical reference to Christ, he tells of Jesus midway through his discussion of events in Pontius Pilate's administration:
More......
External Evidence: Secular
Cornelius Tacitus, one of the most reliable source historians of first-century Rome, wrote in his Annals a year-by-year account of events in the Roman Empire under the early Caesars. Among the highlights that he reports for the year A.D. 64 was the great fire of Rome. People blamed the emperor Nero for this conflagration since it happened "on his watch," but in order to save himself, Nero switched the blame to "the Christians," which is the first time they appear in secular history. Careful historian that he was, Tacitus then explains who "the Christians" were: "Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilatus" (15:44). He then goes on to report the horrors that were inflicted on the Christians in what became their first Roman persecution.
Tacitus, it should be emphasized, was not some Christian historian who was trying to prove that Jesus Christ really lived, but a pagan who despised Christians as a "disease," a term he uses later in the passage. Had Jesus never even existed, he would have been the first to expose that pathetic phantom on whom such cultists placed their trust. Were no other references to Jesus available, this passage alone would have been sufficient to establish his historicity. Skeptics realize this, and so have tried every imaginable means to discredit this passage—but to no avail. Manuscript analysis and computer studies have never found any reason to call this sentence into question, nor its context.
For More see his full article.
YAWN........ The Josephus fraud has already been proven. I didn't bother with the rest of your rant.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#85388 Apr 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You mean went far, through jihad or holy war( bloodshed). Interesting!
the same way christianity spread....funny that, its the same god y'all worship!

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#85389 Apr 8, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I am the guy who's pointing out that Jewish conspiracies wiping out all the evidence you need is NOT our problem.(shrug)
Oh by the way, your second sentence contradicts your first. This means you're lying. But then you already know that. And so does everyone else.
How?
What contradicts what?
Ofcourse the Jewish authorities conspired with the Romans to erase any traces of Jesus existence.
Herod even did part of that, by wiping out every age groups of Jesus.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#85390 Apr 8, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>YAWN........ The Josephus fraud has already been proven. I didn't bother with the rest of your rant.


We might also note that Tacitus was born in 56. So not a contemporary of Jesus and therefore was telling a second (or third) hand story.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#85391 Apr 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Keep on listening to the lies of your cult, Woody.
Next crap?
no cult and no lies. just proven facts.

your cult lied to you...repeatedly. now you are telling the same lies and you know it.

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#85392 Apr 8, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>I always do. Too bad you don't heed your own advice. Ok Dipshitt?
Irony.

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#85394 Apr 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the same way christianity spread....funny that, its the same god y'all worship!
So, before the Romans under Emperor Constantine recognised Christianity, a solid war were fought?
Think, Woody.

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