Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story

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#85328 Apr 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Hahahahah the Arabs did? You mean Mohammed, writing (actually reciting) 600 years later, garbling the various old biblical stories well known in his time and place, is now a SOURCE of EVIDENCE that Jesus existed? He is no more a source of evidence than you are. 2000 years, 600 years, makes no difference.
You are really grasping at straws now!
What about the Assyrians and other ancient tribes that lived during Jesus time?
Like i said, there were Jewish conspiracies in collaboration with the Romans to silence Jesus stories, but like i said, the truth can never be silenced.

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#85329 Apr 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Yeah, isn't it funny that GOD let more than half of the old Roman, Christian Empire fall to the Muslim infidels in a few short years, turning millions of Christians into Muslims which by your belief system means they should be on their way to hell instead of heaven.
Muslims of course interpret their rapid takeover of Syria, Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Morocco and even Spain, then Turkey, Greece, and the Balkins, as obvious evidence that GOD was on their side, not the Christians. And there are only a few Christians left in Egypt - instead of NONE - because they were tolerant of Christians, though they encourage them still to understand the truth of the Quran.
Why do you think GOD let all those millions get condemned to a religion of hell?
You mean the Balkans. Greece today, is predominantly Christian nation.
God speak to us daily using prophets to tell us the way forward, but the problem with us, is that we normally pay a deaf ears to that. What can God do in that regard?

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#85330 Apr 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Yeah, isn't it funny that GOD let more than half of the old Roman, Christian Empire fall to the Muslim infidels in a few short years, turning millions of Christians into Muslims which by your belief system means they should be on their way to hell instead of heaven.
Muslims of course interpret their rapid takeover of Syria, Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Morocco and even Spain, then Turkey, Greece, and the Balkins, as obvious evidence that GOD was on their side, not the Christians. And there are only a few Christians left in Egypt - instead of NONE - because they were tolerant of Christians, though they encourage them still to understand the truth of the Quran.
Why do you think GOD let all those millions get condemned to a religion of hell?
And lastly, one of them concerning your last paragraph, is ignorance and lust for fame.
Many people had/ has been using that to gain fame or favour, but God quietly is just watching them, because their disasters are forth coming.

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#85331 Apr 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Obviously, God's will then.
A religion that is solely concerned or interested in blood shed (jihad), is never(not) the will of God.

“There is no such thing”

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#85332 Apr 7, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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The ability to choose(foundation to morality) does not vary from person to person and society to society. In fact this is how all humans man\woman on planet earth is created equal so there for we can formulate a governmental law on a universal scale to protect every man/woman ability to choose with no exceptions.
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Yes, that biological mechanism in all human brain (innate behavior) governs the information (reality), you take in which leads to thoughts and eventually actions (moral behavior).
This is the mechanism (lead to moral behavior) nature governs NOT MAN!
Civil laws made by governments that contradict this natural law leads to chaos!
Morality is a human construct.. nothing more. Which is why it varies.

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#85333 Apr 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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How does us not knowing something prove that God exists? Utterly silly, as always Charles.
A simple premise definitely will give a simple conclusion and vice versa.
Since science does not know every thing, it is possible that they don't know truly that, the Almighty really exist. Think!

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#85334 Apr 7, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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we also have no evidence countering the existence of
Zeus (well except for Liam Neeson)
Apollo
Jupiter
Mars
Ares
Pluto
Hades (well except for Ralph Fiennes)
Odin
Thor
Isis
Santa Claus
Frodo
your brain
Orisis
Go on and on, but the fact is that, no one can counter the existence of the Almighty. Those listed by you are gods, goddesses and human imaginations.
Can you compare God and gods?

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#85335 Apr 7, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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seriously dude, where do you pull these historical facts out of????
From idol worshipping to Christianity and finally from Christianity to Islam.
Thank God for the Copts.

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#85336 Apr 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i do not belong to a cult.
Liar!

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#85337 Apr 7, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
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So, are you claiming Jesus never exist?
Here is what some pretty intelligent people say about that-----
"H. G. Wells, British writer, 1866-1946
When asked which person left the most permanent impression on history, he replied that judging a person’s greatness by historical standards:
“By this test, Jesus stands first.”
“I am a historian, I am not a believer, but I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history.”
“Christ is the most unique person of history. No man can write a history of the human race without giving first and foremost place to the penniless teacher of Nazareth.”
Kenneth Scott Latourette, former President of American Historic Society
In A History of Christianity:
“It is evidence of His importance, of the effect that He has had upon history and presumably, of the baffling mystery of His being that no other life ever lived on this planet has evoked so huge a volume of literature among so many people and languages, and that, far from ebbing, the flood continues to mount.”
“As the centuries pass by, the evidence is accumulating that measured by its effect on history, Jesus is the most influential life ever lived on this planet. The influence appears to be mounting.”
“No other life lived on this planet has so widely and deeply affected mankind.”
George Bancroft, great American historian
“I find the name of Jesus Christ written on the top of every page of modern history.”"
http://www.why-jesus.com/history.htm
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Today the majority of biblical scholars accept the theory that the Torah does not have a single author, and that its composition took place over centuries. From the late 19th century there was a general consensus around the documentary hypothesis, which suggests that the five books were created c. 450 BCE by combining four originally independent sources, known as the Jahwist, or J (c. 900 BCE), the Elohist, or E (c. 800 BCE), the Deuteronomist, or D,(c. 600 BCE), and the Priestly source, or P (c. 500 BCE).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_authorshi...

In other words it was NOT written by Moses. Another Biblical story down the tubes.nothing but myth.

“Seashells by the seashore”

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#85338 Apr 7, 2013
I still can't believe we aere all monkeys at one point in time. I don't care how much factual evidance is thrown at me. Just my opinion on this, until I hear and see real solid evidence we were chimps. And i don't believe we came from out of the sea either. Again just my opinion.

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#85339 Apr 7, 2013
_Lizz_ wrote:
I still can't believe we aere all monkeys at one point in time. I don't care how much factual evidance is thrown at me. Just my opinion on this, until I hear and see real solid evidence we were chimps. And i don't believe we came from out of the sea either. Again just my opinion.
Do you even know what "real solid evidence" is?

We have real solid evidence.
The Dude

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#85340 Apr 8, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
An intense euphoric feeling is growing with-in me when the absolute truth is challenged by an inferior complex way of thinking
Indeedy. It's called fundie egocentrism. We see it every day.
Infinite Force wrote:
Agnostic is what science is = JUNK INFORMATION SPEWING OUT OF YOUR INFERIOR COMPLEX WAY OF THINKING!
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I dont know jack-shyt?! I dont know logic?! I contradict my own scientific law which is the foundation to my understanding?! Yes, I am a supreme being in understanding and that is an absolute truth, and I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE THE SUPREME BEING THAT CREATED THE UNIVERSE and this is what you are trying to portray me as you dumb mother F****!
Then since you are an imperfect human being with flawed logic and not God then I reject your claims of supremeness and absoluteness. Because you know jackshit.(shrug)
Infinite Force wrote:
So stop hating because I EARNED the right to call myself a supreme being you piece of sh!t because I only know, understand and speak in absolute truths!
Theory of evolution on the origin of species as not a fixed species in violation of the law of non-contradiction backed with physical evidence observed in nature BECAUSE NATURE DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITS SELF! Scientific conclusion: Theory of evolution claiming non-fixed species = ABSOLUTE JUNK INFORMATION!
Nature may not contradict itself but your claims contradict nature.
Infinite Force wrote:
Empirical physical evidence in nature demonstrates mutations are harmful and now I apply my scientific method founded on an absolute truth called the law of non-contradiction BECAUSE NATURE DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITS SELF!
A. Mutations are beneficial in nature!
B. Mutation are not beneficial in nature!
Now the dude apply your sh!tty inferior agnostic scientific way of thinking to the observable scientific physical evidence I present to you in the above link and choose A or B!
Mutations are beneficial in nature. Mutations are detrimental in nature. Mutations are also neutral in nature. We are ALL born with over 100 mutations as standard. For the most part we find that the human population still manages to increase because for the most part mutations are not always bad ones. You are claiming there are either only black cats or white cats. And if it's one it cannot be the other. I'm telling you there are both black AND white cats, and that this is not a contradiction. Oh, and there are also cats of other colours. And this is not a contradiction either.

Your claim that there is only one colour cat is contradictory to nature.

Therefore I have not violated your rule of non-contradiction. YOU have.

You're simply far too wrapped up in your own superiority complex that you're too ignorant to see it.(shrug)
The Dude

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#85341 Apr 8, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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I pointed out the narcissism of some scientists. What 150 years out of date. Today we have "scientists" that think everyone should believe everything that comes out of thier mouths as fact.
Will, why not just cut the BS and just admit you're just whining that scientists who accept science you have theological contentions with are right and have been all along and that just annoys the heck outta you and there's nothing you can do about it? I mean it's not as if there's anybody on this thread who's doesn't know this.(shrug)

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#85342 Apr 8, 2013
_Lizz_ wrote:
I still can't believe we aere all monkeys at one point in time. I don't care how much factual evidance is thrown at me. Just my opinion on this, until I hear and see real solid evidence we were chimps. And i don't believe we came from out of the sea either. Again just my opinion.
When you form an opinion about a subject, yet obviously have no clue about that subject, how much is your opinion really worth?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85343 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"EVERY fundie thinks they have God on their side, be they Jew, Muslim, Hindu or Christian."
For good reason! They are right.
No they aren't. They all disagree with each other.
The Dude

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#85344 Apr 8, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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How did you conclude that all creationists think the same way?! I dont build my understanding on faith! I build my understanding on absolute truths!
How can you do this when you have no idea what absolute truth is?

How many GI Joes have I got?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85345 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"When you make statements like this, you are just demonstrating a level of ignorance that really undercuts any further argument you might make."
This statement shows you are a complete fool.
Did the Black people not like being called the "N" word?
Did Native American women like being called Squaws?
Do Gays like being called faggot?
Calling Christians apes is the same thing. Sorry people like you are so blind to that. Because a group of people decide to call humans apes does not make them correct or the absolute authority on the matter.
Call yourself what you like, and if you like the label ape then wear it proudly.
Don't be offended when others call you what you have labeled yourself.
Christians are not of the ape family like it or not. Our God created us in his image and there was no need to mutate.
Whether you think there was a NEED or not is irrelevant. You DID mutate. This is scientifically observable, every day. This is why you are not all clones who are exactly alike. Ergo, life changes. If some Christians are offended by reality then that's NOT our problem. We don't GIVE a fig. We already KNOW that fundies have been offended by reality ever since they made up their religion.

It's not a case of deliberate insult with intent to offend. It's simply us describing reality. Fundie Christians were so offended that Galileo described reality with the Earth not being at the center of the universe, so much so that they threatened to hang him.

Early in the 21st century the Catholic Church "forgave" him.
The Dude

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#85346 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"The word "ape" when used in this way is not derogatory at all"
Why yes it is. Christians were created in our Gods image. perfect the first time no need for mutations. Call us apes is like calling our whole belief system a lie. While I know you do this also I would hope you would know that we consider that derogatory also.
"Christians are of the ape family like it or not."
That's like saying gays are faggots like it or not because the slang Derogatory word in some clicks has the definition of gays.
Like it or not Christians are not apes we are man.
And all men are apes. Women too. Yes, if this is a problem it may well be that the foundation of your entire belief system is a lie. Especially since your belief system says the Earth is a flat square circle at the center of a geocentric universe and that donkeys and lizards talk.

Offended?

Good.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85347 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"And no, it is not like saying that gays are anything but gays. Apes is a proper term for what we are. The seen derision only comes from yourself."
Wrong. You and your buddy can all call each other apes there is nothing proper about it. Do you claim it's proper because its in a science book? Well science books use to claim that the black race was inferior to the white race. Books don't make it proper.
Christians were created perfect from the start. No mutations required. We are mankind as named by God himself you name yourselves ape. Have fun with that.
Actually the book on evolution today claims that all races are either equal or extinct. YOUR book on the other hand claims that one race is superior to all other races because "there was no need to mutate".

Most depictions of Adam and Eve I've seen are white.

But books don't make it proper.(shrug)

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