Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 210026 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85361 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
I'm not asking for the date of the start down to the day. Does science claim there is a start to the universe?
It claims a start to the current expansion phase. Whether or not there was a "before" is not yet determined.
KJV wrote:
"It is not known if anything exists "outside" the universe."
Well it is known God exist outside of the universe
No it ain't.
KJV wrote:
but I was talking of matter.
Matter cannot exist outside the universe. For where there is matter there is our universe.
Actually science has no idea yet whether matter can exist elsewhere or not. So if they don't know, you certainly don't know.

In short, you know jack. And that's about it.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85362 Apr 8, 2013
Mark wrote:
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The research is compelling enough; something has happened that sped up the decay rates because several other non-isotope measurements don't concur, and they point to a far younger age. One is wrong and one is right, that's what has raised eyebrows over this, the slip is the only constant! Besides, the 4 major isochron techniques don't even concur within the same sample, missing by hundreds of MYr is not horseshoes, handgranades or reality, neither is picking and choosing data that fits a model; that's not honest science, it's blind dogma! If the geologic features of this planet can be worn flat in <20MY by published uniform rates, how can you find such old rocks in the mtns? I posted this logic to more than one geologist and it just left them scratching their heads. They love to quote methods with 1/2 lives of a bilY but refuse to acknowledge PO214 with a 1/2 life measured in seconds, found in crystalline granites which they tell us took hundreds of MY to form!
Uniformist's tell us the Western US Coast line is receding 10-18"/year. I challenged them, I told them this coast should be in Idaho by now, so how can you date these rocks in hand in MY?? Gee, the math is not working for evo, and you can't have it both ways - again. Time, time the magic maker, the answer for every evolutionary question! Evolutionists should have a picture of a clock on every textbook cover with a caption that reads - OUR MAKER - Bow in Reverence, that's the lie. And I may add, constantly reverting to kindergarten school-yard name calling is really not helping your case Dude, I am way too mature to go to that childish level with you.
If you WERE really as mature as you claim you would not be blatantly lying for Jesus every time you posted your case. You would have actually entered debate and addressed other people's posts with something other than rhetoric and constant appeals to authority - which in your case is mostly your own. Of course even after a whole month of you being here I'm STILL waiting for you to address a whole shedload of problems with your position which were pointed out a month ago, and all the time since. I'm STILL waiting for you to address your opposition honestly, instead of constantly knocking down a caricature. I don't CARE what your opinion of me is because quite frankly you do not matter. At all. Not one bit. Despite what your ego tells you, you are simply NOT that important. I have no intention of converting fundies because they are too ignorant to be converted and they only thing they care about is being ignorant. All I need do every time you show up is point out where you lie and why you fail. And each and every time you will not address it because we BOTH know your position is shitt so you'll move onto something else.

What's the "scientific theory" of creationism?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85363 Apr 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> True. Despite the conspiracies among the Jewish authorities in collaborations with the Roman power, the stories of Jesus still went far.
Truth can never be denied or killed, it must reveal it self one day.
Despite the conspiracies among the Christian authorities in collaborations with the Roman power, the stories of Mohammed still went far. Truth can never be denied or killed, it must reveal it self one day!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85364 Apr 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Answer the question posted to you and be honest for once.
Chuck, don't go NEAR that irony meter.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#85365 Apr 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Dreaming again.
no, you have been shown the proof time and time again on these pages. the god of your cult is made up of proven lies. he is a myth.

there could possibly be a god out there, it is as unprovable as the existence of the flying spaghetti monster, but there is not the god of your cult, that has been proven. you are worshiping to a lie.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85366 Apr 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry, the Ancient Egyptians were more of Christians than any other faiths, until the Muslims hijacked that. Thank God for the Copts( Coptic Christians).
Charles Idemi wrote:
And they were predominantly Christians, until the Muslims hijacked that.
Your historical revisionism aside, all the appeals to popularity in the world don't change the fact that the Egyptian pantheon has far more in the way of archaeological sites of significance than you do. Which was the original point you dishonestly decided to dodge.

Note how when someone else has more evidence than you you resort to logical fallacies like argumentum ad populum or claim it's all a great big Jewish/Muslim/atheist conspiracy. That's not a good show for your case Chuck.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85367 Apr 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Like i said, there were Jewish conspiracies.
The Arabs, Assyrians and other tribes confirmed his existence. Who are you to challenge that.
I am the guy who's pointing out that Jewish conspiracies wiping out all the evidence you need is NOT our problem.(shrug)

Oh by the way, your second sentence contradicts your first. This means you're lying. But then you already know that. And so does everyone else.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85368 Apr 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Lol
so, a Christian managed to secure the emperor's position?
How?
Probably killed the last one.(shrug)
Charles Idemi wrote:
Just admit your ignorance.
Don't have to. I'm not the one claiming a religion's popularity equates to validity.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85369 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
Subduction Zone"]<quoted text> No, it doesn't.
(The Question was "does science date the universe?")
You really sure about that answer?
Yup. As your own linky demonstrated.

Of course since you're reality denier I guess it's unfair for us to expect you to be able to read.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85370 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
You really have two choices.
1) the universe self started from nothing
e.g. Magic
2) there was a creator.
Actually you are totally wrong. First off, your number 2 IS magic. Second, these are the actual choices:

1 - The universe started naturally. It had no cause.

2 - The universe started naturally. It had a cause.

3 - Goddidit with magic.

4 - A currently unknown fourth option which no-one has conceived yet.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85371 Apr 8, 2013
rpk58 wrote:
<quoted text>
That is not a new idea - the idea of God being formless. If you look through the scriptures of Judaism and Christianity, you can find many places where the idea that the true form of God is beyond our understanding is brought out.
The problem is that all fundies claim to have divine knowledge that other people do not have.

Funnily enough not one fundie has ever been able to demonstrate it. Not on these threads at least.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85372 Apr 8, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
TIP ABSOLUTE TRUTH SEEKERS:
Since we know GOD is an absolute truth you must accept ONLY absolute truths to know GOD true nature. NO EXCEPTIONS!
You got to reach deep on this one and soon you will realize you don't need faith or any religious quotes that do not speak in absolute truths (violate the law of non-contradiction).
You must only accept absolute truths to up-hold GOD ways in this corrupted world in its way of thinking!
The problem being that only God (assuming it even exists at all) would know absolute truth. If a God does not exist, it is still possible that absolute truth exists, except the only problem is that it is unknowable.

And since you are an imperfect being and not God I reject all your claims to any such knowledge.
Infinite Force wrote:
Apply the law of non-contradiction (GOD LAW) to the constitution of the United States of America.
Now are we able to choose what we want to do without violating the “Law of non-contradiction”!
ABSOLUTE FREEDOM under the law of non-contradiction as the foundation of our constitution is what we want!
Sorry, but any "God law" violates the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. This is because it guarantees both freedom of and freedom from religion. Therefore your law can only be implemented if you hate America.

Why do you hate America, Curtis?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85373 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"Yeah, isn't it funny that GOD let more than half of the old Roman, Christian Empire fall to the Muslim infidels in a few short years, turning millions of Christians into Muslims which by your belief system means they should be on their way to hell instead of heaven."
You seem to have a hard time with the free will concept that God gave man.
Only because it violates Curtis' "LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION!" Surely we cannot allow that.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85374 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
A cult is nothing more then a religion
Atheism is a religion therefore a cult.
ATHEISM IS A RELIGION as deemed by the courts.
John Calvert, a lawyer and intelligent design proponent declared:
The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States held that ATHEISM IS A RELIGION. Therefore, it cannot be promoted by a public school.
It is treated as a religion for Constitutional legal purposes so that the rights of atheists as a group can be maintained, along with those of non-atheist groups.
KJV wrote:
Currently, public schools are often unwittingly promoting atheism through a dogmatic and uncritical teaching of materialistic theories of origins.
Oh dear. Sorry K, but ALL science is "materialistic". When was the last time you saw an official weather report on TV seriously claiming that hurricane hilda is due to the Gods being angry?

Turns out you tried that line of argumentation in court multiple times.

You STILL lost.

Teaching science you don't like is not the same as teaching atheism.

So every time you complain about "non-materialistic dogma" all you're REALLY saying is Goddidit with magic.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85376 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean without a creator?
That would be by your definition MAGIC!
Nope. Your creator is magic because you propose a who with zero mechanisms other than magic poof.

Just because you can't personally grasp the idea of the universe coming into existence without a god doesn't mean that your argument from incredulity is valid.

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#85377 Apr 8, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>His arse.
Always learn to say meaningful things. Ok, Crappy?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85378 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"Why couldn't the universe exist on its own? "
Did the universe always exist?
Your science claims a age to the universe. The universe is everything. So there had to be nothing before the universe. The laws of our universe does not allow something to come from nothing.
It had to then be created.
Actually in our universe we have scientifically observed particle/anti-particle pairs spontaneously appearing in a vacuum. There is no cause. This is not a problem within the model of quantum physics although it is not consistent with classical Newtonian mechanics.

Not that this should be a problem for you, since under God, mechanics schmechanics. Nothing matters.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85379 Apr 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"And KJV, what is the difference between your creator and magic? It can be shown how the universe can come from nothing from understanding the laws of physics."
In your eyes there would be no difference. However magic could not exist if there was nothing. Nothing is a complete void of everything.
You believe all that ever existed sprang fourth out of nothingness.
I claim it was all created.
... by an invisible magic Jew wizard who poofed it all into existence cuz it sez so in this old book that says donkeys and lizards talk and that the Earth is a flat square circle at the center of a geocentric universe.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#85380 Apr 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Always learn to say meaningful things. Ok, Crappy?
I always do. Too bad you don't heed your own advice. Ok Dipshitt?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#85381 Apr 8, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
"rather sad that you think you are perfect.."
When God created man, he created him perfect. Man sinned and brought death into the world. So we are not perfect any longer.
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
I was created whole and perfect.
So you're perfectly imperfect. Thought so.

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