Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 173403 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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KJV

United States

#85201 Apr 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>No, we all know that everything supports the theory of evolution. It is not only supported by biology. It is supported by geology, chemistry and even physics.
The universe has a starting date per science. There is nothing outside of the universe these are scientific facts.
For the universe to spring forth then on a certain date per science out of nothing is a myth or God did it.
KJV

United States

#85202 Apr 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, no you don't.
Yes, yes we do.
KJV

United States

#85203 Apr 6, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>He has endless whining.
"He has endless whining"

Typo!

Should read "He has endless Winnings"

“The Edge”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#85204 Apr 6, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"He has endless whining"
Typo!
Should read "He has endless Winnings"
If winning is complaining in a feeble or petulant way, then sure you do.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#85205 Apr 6, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
The universe has a starting date per science. There is nothing outside of the universe these are scientific facts.
For the universe to spring forth then on a certain date per science out of nothing is a myth or God did it.
No. Wrong on all counts. Care to try again, or do you want your idiocy to stand?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#85206 Apr 6, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Well then it looks like I'm not trying to debate by your laws does it.
Not by MY laws. But by the very rules of debate. I didn't write them, I only obey them. And you are losing by them.
KJV

United States

#85207 Apr 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>No. Wrong on all counts. Care to try again, or do you want your idiocy to stand?
Really "all" wrong huh?

Does science date the universe?

( I guess we'll have use baby steps )

“too hard to handle”

Level 4

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#85208 Apr 6, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
That is why academia is a competitive pursuit with critical analysis of claims, tests of claimed facts, and why researchers love to point out errors and faults in the work of others, and why there is peer review.
Science does not depend on the perfect objectivity of the players, but the process by which competition with an inflow of new observable facts and the application of logical consistency will eventually move us towards a more accurate understanding.
By contrast, the sterility of scriptural scholarship is based on the complete lack (and inadmissibility) of new material, with the players endlessly trying to figure out unreliable scriptures from thousands of years ago. Perhaps the most progress they have made in the last few centuries was merely to learn just how unreliable their scriptures are!
Just go ahead and pat yourse3lf on the back again. This is like in the wizard of oz, "you dare question the geat oz?"? When we dare question "science" the answer is the same. Pointing out checks and balances and peer review. Is that why it took so long to invalidate piltdown man?

“The Edge”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#85209 Apr 6, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
The universe has a starting date per science. There is nothing outside of the universe these are scientific facts.
For the universe to spring forth then on a certain date per science out of nothing is a myth or God did it.
"The universe has a starting date per science."

The universe appears to have an approximate age , but it is not known exactly and there is no date.

"There is nothing outside of the universe."

It is not known if anything exists "outside" the universe.
It is known nothing can react with, or detect anything outside the universe. It isn't even known if there is an edge , but if there is an edge it has retreated so far away, we could never get to it to see it. So for all intents the edge if any is at infinite distance.

"For the universe to spring forth then on a certain date per science out of nothing is a myth or God did it"

This is your philosophical reasoning , but it is not a determination of science. It is in fact you saying,
(Since I have no idea what happened ..god did it.)

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#85210 Apr 6, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Really "all" wrong huh?
Does science date the universe?
( I guess we'll have use baby steps )
No, it doesn't.

Yes, let's see where we can go with baby steps.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#85211 Apr 6, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
"The universe has a starting date per science."
The universe appears to have an approximate age , but it is not known exactly and there is no date.
"There is nothing outside of the universe."
It is not known if anything exists "outside" the universe.
It is known nothing can react with, or detect anything outside the universe. It isn't even known if there is an edge , but if there is an edge it has retreated so far away, we could never get to it to see it. So for all intents the edge if any is at infinite distance.
"For the universe to spring forth then on a certain date per science out of nothing is a myth or God did it"
This is your philosophical reasoning , but it is not a determination of science. It is in fact you saying,
(Since I have no idea what happened ..god did it.)
Oh no, you are going to ruin my fun with a creatard.
KJV

United States

#85212 Apr 6, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>"The universe has a starting date per science."

The universe appears to have an approximate age , but it is not known exactly and there is no date.

"There is nothing outside of the universe."

It is not known if anything exists "outside" the universe.
It is known nothing can react with, or detect anything outside the universe. It isn't even known if there is an edge , but if there is an edge it has retreated so far away, we could never get to it to see it. So for all intents the edge if any is at infinite distance.

"For the universe to spring forth then on a certain date per science out of nothing is a myth or God did it"

This is your philosophical reasoning , but it is not a determination of science. It is in fact you saying,
(Since I have no idea what happened ..god did it.)
I'm not asking for the date of the start down to the day. Does science claim there is a start to the universe?

"It is not known if anything exists "outside" the universe."

Well it is known God exist outside of the universe but I was talking of matter.
Matter cannot exist outside the universe. For where there is matter there is our universe.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#85213 Apr 6, 2013
KJV, the universe may or may not have started at the Big Bang.

Even if it started then that does not mean a god started it.

You need to have evidence for your claims. You have yet to show any. We don't know is a perfectly acceptable answer at times. "We don't know" does not mean that god did it or is even evidence for a god at all.
Mark

United States

#85214 Apr 6, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you respect nothing for they are not honest. The information has already been evaluated before the fundies even wrote their apologetics. There are two models - one involves radioactive decay at known rates, another sterilizes the entire universe. Only one of these interpretations is valid, especially in light of the fact the latter requires invisible Jewish magic to save it. Scientists have already tried accelerating radioactive decay by subjecting compounds to intense temperatures, the resulting changes being an observable but ultimately negligible difference in the appearance of age. Like you your fellow liars for Jesus ignore the fact that their position undermines itself, which is why you were refuted long ago.
You cannot claim science proves science is wrong therefore Goddidit with magic. Yet that is precisely what you continue to do. But then if you didn't carry on lying for Jesus then you would not be an apologist.
The research is compelling enough; something has happened that sped up the decay rates because several other non-isotope measurements don't concur, and they point to a far younger age. One is wrong and one is right, that's what has raised eyebrows over this, the slip is the only constant! Besides, the 4 major isochron techniques don't even concur within the same sample, missing by hundreds of MYr is not horseshoes, handgranades or reality, neither is picking and choosing data that fits a model; that's not honest science, it's blind dogma! If the geologic features of this planet can be worn flat in <20MY by published uniform rates, how can you find such old rocks in the mtns? I posted this logic to more than one geologist and it just left them scratching their heads. They love to quote methods with 1/2 lives of a bilY but refuse to acknowledge PO214 with a 1/2 life measured in seconds, found in crystalline granites which they tell us took hundreds of MY to form!

Uniformist's tell us the Western US Coast line is receding 10-18"/year. I challenged them, I told them this coast should be in Idaho by now, so how can you date these rocks in hand in MY?? Gee, the math is not working for evo, and you can't have it both ways - again. Time, time the magic maker, the answer for every evolutionary question! Evolutionists should have a picture of a clock on every textbook cover with a caption that reads - OUR MAKER - Bow in Reverence, that's the lie. And I may add, constantly reverting to kindergarten school-yard name calling is really not helping your case Dude, I am way too mature to go to that childish level with you.

“The Edge”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#85215 Apr 6, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not asking for the date of the start down to the day. Does science claim there is a start to the universe?
"It is not known if anything exists "outside" the universe."
Well it is known God exist outside of the universe but I was talking of matter.
Matter cannot exist outside the universe. For where there is matter there is our universe.
And what evidence do you have of these two quite impossible to determine determinations?

"it is known God exist outside of the universe"

"Matter cannot exist outside the universe"

We simply have absolutely no way to determine these things.
Hence these are your "beliefs" , and you have nothing but "belief"
to quantify them.

It is possible this universe is within a larger one, or indeed that there are other universes. We simply cannot tell.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Level 3

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#85216 Apr 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There may be absolute truths, but you and I as humans have no way of knowing with certainty when we have found one.
How did you conclude you know the boundaries and limits of my understanding first of all? You speak like all humans understanding is the same. This is your first mistake!
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Disagree? Then tell me, Farce, how do YOU determine when you are absolutely certain that something is absolutely true?
By first observing nature! This is something that man/woman did not create! Also by accepting that reality (nature) is an absolute truth and this is not a matter of an opinion. One who searches for absolute truth must first understand what nature is and then build his/her thinking on the principles that is found in nature I call the universal constant.
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
We have access to approximate truths and probabilities. And that is just fine. It means that with some mental effort, we can get things approximately right.
WRONG! We have access to absolute truths all around us because reality/nature is an absolute truth. You must first accept this if you want access to absolute truths. Any problem can be solved and I know this! WANNA TEST THE DEPTH OF MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I SAY ALL PROBLEMS CAN BE SOLVED THROUGH KNOWING ABSOLUTE TRUTHS?! I WELCOME YOUR CHALLENGE BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING HAS NO BOUNDRIES OR LIMITS BECAUSE IT IS FOUNDED ON AN ETERNAL CONCEPT! I await your challenge!

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Level 3

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#85217 Apr 7, 2013
NOTE: Chimney

Individual problems for personal gain or benefit I do not deal with! I am not a person of personal gain and benefit!

I solve problems on a universal scale that benefits all life!

Remember absolute truths are universal concepts that solve universal problems ONLY!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#85218 Apr 7, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not asking for the date of the start down to the day. Does science claim there is a start to the universe?
"It is not known if anything exists "outside" the universe."
Well it is known God exist outside of the universe but I was talking of matter.
Matter cannot exist outside the universe. For where there is matter there is our universe.
No, it is not known that any god, gods or goddesses exist outside the known universe. that is a myth from your bible, and since your bible has zero credibility on this issue, because of its numerous lies about god throughout it, then logic would tell one to not believe the bible about that either.

and since your god has been proven to be a myth, it definitely isn't that god outside the universe.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#85219 Apr 7, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
The universe has a starting date per science. There is nothing outside of the universe these are scientific facts.
For the universe to spring forth then on a certain date per science out of nothing is a myth or God did it.
who said the universe sprang out of nothing?

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#85221 Apr 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>because they in no way prove any god or gods or goddesses. i think you need to look up what the words proof and evidence mean.
Likewise.

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