Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 173403 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#83899 Mar 30, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Accretion, gravitational attraction, and cosmic bombardment.
Grammar!
What brought about the cosmic bombardment or big bang?
Don't venture into questions you or any one can not answer.

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#83900 Mar 30, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Born in a stellar nursery....accretion....gravit y....almost the same way the earth was formed. Its a long process and we can see part of it going on now in the Orion constellation and a few other places in our galaxy.
Another grammar!
The constellations, galaxies and other planetary bodies, can you please honestly explain how they came into form.
The use of grammar as a cover will not solve any thing.
A simple answer, you don't know.

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#83901 Mar 30, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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What do you mean the world is a shadow of itself Charles.
Ok, for the sake of this arguments, lets say you guys are right, what have you done to stop the menace of the world.
Technology is good, but at the same time bad.
Many daily, monthly and yearly die of plane/ air crash, auto crash and the likes.

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#83902 Mar 30, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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But, we have that pesky Bible saying that the flood was world-wide and we have all those little details about the animals and floating around for nearly a year and landing on a 14,000+- foot high mountain.
And of course there is the DNA that totally does not support the story.
And then there is all that archaeology work over the last hundred years, on thousands and thousands of prehistoric sites, not supporting the story at all
Then we have the fact that world-wide...geology and geologists say there is no real evidence for a world-wide flood at any time.
I think we can safely say the Biblical story of the Noachian flood is just a parable....no truth to it at all
No!
You can not rule it out completely.
There were thriving population around that area, so the people then thought it was global due to the massive nature of the flood. Get that!

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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#83903 Mar 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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The orbit of Mercury breaks the "law of gravity". Thought you should know this.
The laws of gravity did not stop governing Mercury. To break it, it must have been outside the influence of the laws of gravity and this is not the case. The laws of gravity govern everything (including mercury) in this universe at all times with NO (ZER0) exceptions.
The Dude wrote:
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This is why I don't take your "principles found in the 'laws' of nature" claims very seriously.(
First of all I did not make this principle up that is found in the laws of nature. It’s sad the scientific method foundation does not rest on the “law of non-contradiction”. All of the scientific data and statements from any subject in the scientific field fail if it violates this law or principle. Here is the definition to my “principles found in the ‘laws’ of nature.

“contradictory statements cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, e.g. the two propositions "A is B" and "A is not B" are mutually exclusive.”
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_noncontra...

For example, The laws of nature either governs all in the universe or don’t. For your method of reasoning to say that mercury broke the law of nature you claimed that the laws of gravity found in nature is un-able to govern it when mercury breaks it. So now I apply “the law of non-contradiction” to your statement,“The orbit of Mercury breaks the law of gravity". Before even using the scientific method I know your statement violates the “law of non-contradiction” and dismiss your statement because either the law governs mercury or don’t and the laws of gravity is constant in the universe.

AGAIN, do the laws of gravity govern mercury or don’t? To break it mercury must make the laws of nature stop governing it. I think not!

You got your scientific method when it comes to interpreting data
Vs
My scientific method which is founded on the “law of non-contradiction” checks the integrity of the information gathered by your scientific method. That’s right, the information that you spew from your lips is governed by the laws of nature also and this law shows me how to discredit information that violates its principle.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#83904 Mar 30, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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The laws of gravity did not stop governing Mercury. To break it, it must have been outside the influence of the laws of gravity and this is not the case. The laws of gravity govern everything (including mercury) in this universe at all times with NO (ZER0) exceptions.
<quoted text>
First of all I did not make this principle up that is found in the laws of nature. It’s sad the scientific method foundation does not rest on the “law of non-contradiction”. All of the scientific data and statements from any subject in the scientific field fail if it violates this law or principle. Here is the definition to my “principles found in the ‘laws’ of nature.
“contradictory statements cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, e.g. the two propositions "A is B" and "A is not B" are mutually exclusive.”
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_noncontra...
For example, The laws of nature either governs all in the universe or don’t. For your method of reasoning to say that mercury broke the law of nature you claimed that the laws of gravity found in nature is un-able to govern it when mercury breaks it. So now I apply “the law of non-contradiction” to your statement,“The orbit of Mercury breaks the law of gravity". Before even using the scientific method I know your statement violates the “law of non-contradiction” and dismiss your statement because either the law governs mercury or don’t and the laws of gravity is constant in the universe.
AGAIN, do the laws of gravity govern mercury or don’t? To break it mercury must make the laws of nature stop governing it. I think not!
You got your scientific method when it comes to interpreting data
Vs
My scientific method which is founded on the “law of non-contradiction” checks the integrity of the information gathered by your scientific method. That’s right, the information that you spew from your lips is governed by the laws of nature also and this law shows me how to discredit information that violates its principle.
You're awfully fond of absolutes, aren't you?

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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#83905 Mar 30, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>You're awfully fond of absolutes, aren't you?
Only when it comes to explaining the laws of nature because nature does not contradict its self, people do.

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#83906 Mar 30, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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Only when it comes to explaining the laws of nature because nature does not contradict its self, people do.
Isn't too bad that you cannot find any evidence that backs up your claims?

We can see evidence for evolution every where we look. You will not even tell us what these supposed laws of nature are or what real life evidence there is for them.

“The Edge”

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#83907 Mar 30, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Grammar!
What brought about the cosmic bombardment or big bang?
Don't venture into questions you or any one can not answer.
Oh...but they can be answered, this is the thing you deny and despise the most.

“The Edge”

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#83908 Mar 30, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Another grammar!
The constellations, galaxies and other planetary bodies, can you please honestly explain how they came into form.
The use of grammar as a cover will not solve any thing.
A simple answer, you don't know.
Well when it comes to cosmology we have to admit, we don't know everything. But we do know a great deal, enough to fill thousands of terabytes of hard drives. This is with observations alone of the early universe regarding solar system, stellar, and planetary formation. We however have not completely solved nor seen how the universe and early galactic formation took place. But because we do not know everything, does not mean we don't know anything.

That would be you , that does not know anything. You relish in it and hide your god in a place of stupidity. Not a particularly strong place to bargain your ideas from.

“The Edge”

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#83909 Mar 30, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Another grammar!
The constellations, galaxies and other planetary bodies, can you please honestly explain how they came into form.
The use of grammar as a cover will not solve any thing.
A simple answer, you don't know.

Remember to tie the concrete blocks to your ankles, when you go deep thought exploring.

English is a West Germanic language that was first spoken in early medieval England.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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#83910 Mar 30, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Isn't too bad that you cannot find any evidence that backs up your claims?
We can see evidence for evolution every where we look. You will not even tell us what these supposed laws of nature are or what real life evidence there is for them.
It’s called the “law of non- contradiction” and this is my evidence.

First question: Before I even start, do you know what this law means? Remember a law is universal in the scientific world because it explains nature.
Second question: Do you know what universal means?

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#83911 Mar 30, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Another grammar!
The constellations, galaxies and other planetary bodies, can you please honestly explain how they came into form.
The use of grammar as a cover will not solve any thing.
A simple answer, you don't know.
I have, so so many times, Chaz.

What part of it did you not comprehend?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83912 Mar 30, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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It’s called the “law of non- contradiction” and this is my evidence.
First question: Before I even start, do you know what this law means? Remember a law is universal in the scientific world because it explains nature.
Second question: Do you know what universal means?
isn't that the law bill Clinton got busted on?

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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#83913 Mar 30, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>isn't that the law bill Clinton got busted on?
The "law of non-contradiction" is a principle found in a scientfic law not a civil law.

The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#83915 Mar 30, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
The laws of gravity did not stop governing Mercury. To break it, it must have been outside the influence of the laws of gravity and this is not the case. The laws of gravity govern everything (including mercury) in this universe at all times with NO (ZER0) exceptions.
Yet we had a law of gravity. Worked out by some guy called Newton (you may have heard of him). Mercury violates that law.
Infinite Force wrote:
First of all I did not make this principle up that is found in the laws of nature. It’s sad the scientific method foundation does not rest on the “law of non-contradiction”. All of the scientific data and statements from any subject in the scientific field fail if it violates this law or principle. Here is the definition to my “principles found in the ‘laws’ of nature.
“contradictory statements cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, e.g. the two propositions "A is B" and "A is not B" are mutually exclusive.”
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_noncontra...
For example, The laws of nature either governs all in the universe or don’t. For your method of reasoning to say that mercury broke the law of nature you claimed that the laws of gravity found in nature is un-able to govern it when mercury breaks it.
It does.
Infinite Force wrote:
So now I apply “the law of non-contradiction” to your statement,“The orbit of Mercury breaks the law of gravity". Before even using the scientific method I know your statement violates the “law of non-contradiction” and dismiss your statement because either the law governs mercury or don’t and the laws of gravity is constant in the universe.
AGAIN, do the laws of gravity govern mercury or don’t? To break it mercury must make the laws of nature stop governing it. I think not!
Then since Mercury violates that law then the law must be wrong.

After all, "laws" are merely abstract concepts invented by humans as a guideline for expected actions either in culture or in practical/scientific principles.
Infinite Force wrote:
You got your scientific method when it comes to interpreting data
Vs
My scientific method which is founded on the “law of non-contradiction” checks the integrity of the information gathered by your scientific method. That’s right, the information that you spew from your lips is governed by the laws of nature also and this law shows me how to discredit information that violates its principle.
Yet evolution doesn't violate it. Mercury does. Ergo the "law" of gravity is simply wrong, which is why it got replaced by the THEORY of relativity. Which is in turn being replaced by the theory of quantum mechanics. Whereas evolution on the other hand MAY contradict YOUR so-called "law" re: species, however reality shows that it contradicts your "law". Ergo your claims about species are simply incorrect and life can and does change over time, which does NOT violate any laws of non-contradiction. It merely contradicts your assumption that evolution did not and cannot happen. However your baseless opinions aren't relevant.(shrug)

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St. Croix valley

#83916 Mar 30, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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The "law of non-contradiction" is a principle found in a scientfic law not a civil law.
i should have cried "Duck!' in case you are taller than I imagine..
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#83917 Mar 30, 2013
Any person who truly searches impartially for the actualities of science or any official ivestigator will find the Bible to be truth. Precise application of facts or principles can be gathered and true knowledge of the physical or material world can be gained through observation and experimentation pertaining to the common idea of recurring events or phenomena which are a sequence of changing states that, upon completion, produce a final state like the original one. The Bible clearly teaches that common traits are in natures charcter. Nature produces examples of kinds and living things make propagation following patterns of form to bring the kind about again or anew in any manner to bear fruitful offspring. Natural markings are in kinds which are configurations with distinctive style, or form and a combination of qualities form a consistent characteristic arrangement. The laws and principles that guide the whole universe are a result of inborn or inherent qualities which are following a method of arranged order and material things are systematically comprised. SCPID theory contemplates and explains these truths.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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#83918 Mar 30, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Isn't too bad that you cannot find any evidence that backs up your claims?
We can see evidence for evolution every where we look. You will not even tell us what these supposed laws of nature are or what real life evidence there is for them.
"Although the concepts of a law or principle in nature is borderline to philosophy, and presents the depth to which mathematics can describe nature, scientific laws are considered from a scientific perspective and follow the scientific method; they "serve their purpose" rather than "questioning reality" (philosophical) or "statements of logical absolution" (mathematical). For example, whether a law "refers to reality" is a philosophical issue, rather than scientific.

Fundamentally, all scientific laws follow from physics, laws which occur in other sciences ultimately follow from physical laws. Often, from mathematically fundamental viewpoints, universal constants emerge from scientific laws."

>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_science

The "law of non-contradiction" is a concept of a law or principle in nature.

Do you see the universal constant principle found in scientific laws. This means non-changing and if it changes with an opposing idea this would be a "contradictory" of the universal constant principle found in a scientific law that is backed with empirical evidence. It is this principle extracted from a scientific law that is backed with the empirical data that followed the scientific method I use to validate “The law of non-contradiction”, which is the foundation to my scientific reasoning I use to interpret all things found in the laws of nature.

“The Edge”

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#83919 Mar 30, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Any person who truly searches impartially for the actualities of science or any official ivestigator will find the Bible to be truth. Precise application of facts or principles can be gathered and true knowledge of the physical or material world can be gained through observation and experimentation pertaining to the common idea of recurring events or phenomena which are a sequence of changing states that, upon completion, produce a final state like the original one. The Bible clearly teaches that common traits are in natures charcter. Nature produces examples of kinds and living things make propagation following patterns of form to bring the kind about again or anew in any manner to bear fruitful offspring. Natural markings are in kinds which are configurations with distinctive style, or form and a combination of qualities form a consistent characteristic arrangement. The laws and principles that guide the whole universe are a result of inborn or inherent qualities which are following a method of arranged order and material things are systematically comprised. SCPID theory contemplates and explains these truths.
Nice word salad.
You may want to see a professional about it.

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