Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Mar 29, 2013
 
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I do.
Google search Wally Wallington. Oh what the heck, here is his site:
http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/
All by himself he moves amazingly heavy blocks. A team could lift much bigger blocks.
No, you don't What he does is not even a speck on an elephant's azz compared to trying to even lift a 780 ton block 70 X 14 X 10 feet...let alone with the technology from the time.
It can't be done with the best cranes we have available.

Nice try though.

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Mar 29, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Solar?
How did the solar or sun came into form?
Born in a stellar nursery....accretion....gravit y....almost the same way the earth was formed. Its a long process and we can see part of it going on now in the Orion constellation and a few other places in our galaxy.

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Gobekli Tepe is a suggestion that there was a intermission in the last ice age where a warming trend brought people (hunter gatherers) to communal existence in learning to domesticate animals and farm crops. It is the first evidence man began to develop brains through sharing and began the path to civilization. Not just small tribal grouping, but true civilization became from concept to reality. 12,000 ya today.
There is also the possibility that if the ice age had continued, civilization as we know it may have never happened.
That's at least a hypothesis to table. Not just an outright denial of actuality.
There still remains the question of what "tools" were used to create 30 acres of such intricate construction, as(according to anthropology) these tools did not even exist 12,000 years ago...let alone the innovative mentality required to accomplish such a fete.

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So where do you stand in relation to God and Jesus?
Do you accept Jesus as your Savior?
Do you accept the Bible as the literal word of God?
How old do you believe the universe to be?
No.
No.
Perpetual cyclic motion...so ageless.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Hmmmn!
You have all the evidence and yet the world is a shaddow of it self.(Shrug).
What do you mean the world is a shadow of itself Charles.

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Mar 29, 2013
 
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> No, you don't What he does is not even a speck on an elephant's azz compared to trying to even lift a 780 ton block 70 X 14 X 10 feet...let alone with the technology from the time.
It can't be done with the best cranes we have available.
Nice try though.
Let's see a link to how big those blocks were. And please not from some paranoid site.

No super duper alien technology was needed to make the pyramids.

You are projecting your incompetence to the Egyptian people.

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Mar 29, 2013
 
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> That's at least a hypothesis to table. Not just an outright denial of actuality.
There still remains the question of what "tools" were used to create 30 acres of such intricate construction, as(according to anthropology) these tools did not even exist 12,000 years ago...let alone the innovative mentality required to accomplish such a fete.
Yes, well before the Copper or Bronze age. Probably only stone tools. But, from what I have read and studied they had all the brain-power we humans have today.

Some rock are way harder than others and we have been using stone tools for at least a million years (us and our evolutionary predecessors) such as Homo-heidelbergensis and Homo-erectus, etc.

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No.
No.
Perpetual cyclic motion...so ageless.
So you are in the science camp and don't believe the God/Jesus/Moses/Noah/flood/Exo dus/etc. crap....right?

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No.
No.
Perpetual cyclic motion...so ageless.
Where do you weigh in on the 14.7+- billion year old universe figure that's bandied about by everyone today.

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Let's see a link to how big those blocks were. And please not from some paranoid site.
No super duper alien technology was needed to make the pyramids.
You are projecting your incompetence to the Egyptian people.
You are projecting here.
I never said anything whatsoever about aliens...that's all YOUR crap.
Nor have I said anything about the construction of the pyramids yet either...more of YOUR projection.

Does this satisfy you? the figures are all the same or nearly anyway...it is common knowledge.

http://atheism.about.com/od/religiousplaces/i...

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Where do you weigh in on the 14.7+- billion year old universe figure that's bandied about by everyone today.
It may be part of a cycle "maybe"? Who really knows. Every 6-12 months a new hypothesis comes out. It's almost comical. I would like to see something concrete.

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So you are in the science camp and don't believe the God/Jesus/Moses/Noah/flood/Exo dus/etc. crap....right?
Correct.

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Yes, well before the Copper or Bronze age. Probably only stone tools. But, from what I have read and studied they had all the brain-power we humans have today.
Some rock are way harder than others and we have been using stone tools for at least a million years (us and our evolutionary predecessors) such as Homo-heidelbergensis and Homo-erectus, etc.
That would depend on the type of stone that was being worked. Being limestone(the "T" blocks), they could have been worked with harder stone tools.
I have reservations about every discovery being labeled as a "religious" or "sacrificial" site. That is just ridiculous. To call a 30 acre site "religious" in the midst of hunter/gatherers is insanity, don't you think?

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Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> You are projecting here.
I never said anything whatsoever about aliens...that's all YOUR crap.
Nor have I said anything about the construction of the pyramids yet either...more of YOUR projection.
Does this satisfy you? the figures are all the same or nearly anyway...it is common knowledge.
http://atheism.about.com/od/religiousplaces/i...
Pretty impressive. My bad, I thought you were talking about the pyramids. And yet the sort of technology that Wally Wallington uses could still be used on those sites. He by himself has moved blocks of mass greater than ten tons. That means as few as 80 people could have moved those megaliths. I would think that a major project like that would employ a lot more than 80 people.

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Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> It may be part of a cycle "maybe"? Who really knows. Every 6-12 months a new hypothesis comes out. It's almost comical. I would like to see something concrete.
There is a big difference between a hypothesis and a theory.

Heck there is a big difference between a testable hypothesis and most hypotheses out there.

You have to learn to not give the hype too much credit. That is why science developed the very important and powerful tool of peer review. A group of experts in your field will try to rip your hypothesis to shreds if you ever go through that ordeal.

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Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> You are projecting here.
I never said anything whatsoever about aliens...that's all YOUR crap.
Nor have I said anything about the construction of the pyramids yet either...more of YOUR projection.
Does this satisfy you? the figures are all the same or nearly anyway...it is common knowledge.
http://atheism.about.com/od/religiousplaces/i...
http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2012/08...

You forget the Greeks were quite advanced , Archimedes ans such thinkers who are puzzling even to this day with their inventiveness.

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Subduction Zone wrote:
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There is a big difference between a hypothesis and a theory.
Heck there is a big difference between a testable hypothesis and most hypotheses out there.
You have to learn to not give the hype too much credit. That is why science developed the very important and powerful tool of peer review. A group of experts in your field will try to rip your hypothesis to shreds if you ever go through that ordeal.
And so they should.

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Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> And so they should.
And yet you pay all of your attention to nonpeer reviewed science.

Whose fault is that?

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Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> That would depend on the type of stone that was being worked. Being limestone(the "T" blocks), they could have been worked with harder stone tools.
I have reservations about every discovery being labeled as a "religious" or "sacrificial" site. That is just ridiculous. To call a 30 acre site "religious" in the midst of hunter/gatherers is insanity, don't you think?
I tend to agree. The first thing that came to my mind when I first heard of it and it was described as a temple site or religious in some way....what the hell were they thinking. But....why have humans ever built such places if not for some kind of religious purpose. I think it may be awhile before we truly understand it.

Amazing site though, and I believe we will learn about things we didn't know before. I follow them closely
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Mar 29, 2013
 
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>see, mark, where you go wrong is assuming that there must be human life on earth..
if those things were not the way they are , then human life on earth just might not be here. big whoop...
see, you cant start with a false premise like humans were suppowsed to be on Earth..again, if you had really gone to university you would know this stuff...(at least a good university...)
You need to understand that I came from same persuasion and worldview as you in my youth. I was immersed in all the same origins information X10 coming from the home of a noted and nationally recognized senior biologist. I even tagged onto his field, did research, field trips and wrote papers before I was 18, and notably made predictions that came to pass, I was on my way.

The moon deal is big to me. Living in Alaska and operating boats and vessels in 20-30 ft tides is serious business. We all had the tide tables in our heads. It was a continuous battle, memorable after you bust your back for hours dragging boats over huge flats or getting locked up on a reef for hours. I thought as you that the world was an accidental given, and life was a battle of will, physics and fate. I was as tough as they come to win over it. Then I had an event, I had dodged fate one too many times and my number was up. At that moment I was given another chance by something bigger than I knew existed. For some reason I was passed over, not by my chance but by as I discovered later, by Gods Grace. Then I got it - I had been fooled, tricked and kept in the dark about the biggest truth in life; the existence of Almighty God!

My perspective radically changed, I realized that this beautiful planet and universe was made for us, and was not an accidental lab for some chance existence at some far off date. Thatís the lie, to fool us into thinking we have no value, we all do. The Creator had set the moon in just the right place, made just the correct size and at just the right distance for our benefit, in the very beginning, not by chance. The soils are in wonderful quantity, the weather patterns, although extreme at times, work wonderfully, and the sun and moons position work perfectly to pull it all together. We only see a broken image of a wonderful "Very Good" earth and the life that was originally placed here. It fit, I got it and the evidence is all there. Believe in accidents all you want, the hand of God is everywhere. Another "Black Box" was opened, the final one.

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