Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83850 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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That's nice. But your claim is rather generic and smacks of just a little bit of paranoia to say the least. And keeping in mind that the hypothesis of common ancestry (kinda the whole point of the modern evolutionary synthesis if you didn't know) is accepted by the vast majority of the biological community, and that further, that is where most of your strenuous objections lie, that is why the amount of your "acceptance" of evolution is questioned.
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Not by the biological community as a whole. Remember we discount creationists and quacks because they have no scientific basis. So no, the DI, AIG, ICR doth not constitute a "controversy". Neither does an idiot like Senapathy or von Daniken. An example of a genuine scientific controversy WITHIN evolution would be Alan Feduccia's position over dino-bird ancestry, or Gould's punctuated equilibria. Again, it's HOW evolution occurred is where the "controversies" are, not whether or not it DID occur.
Yer sing'n ta the choir here bud.

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#83851 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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No, I'm not claiming there's a goal. And nor do the animals "choose" it. Again you are misunderstanding the concept, making the exact same mistake as the fundies do. Mutations occur, and they can be good, bad or indifferent. If neutral they will have a negligible effect on reproduction. If detrimental they will cause problems for reproduction. Maybe even to the point of extinction. If successful, successful mutations will spread through the population quicker than detrimental ones, hence further on down the line the resulting population will be "improved". This is natural selection.
I am just doing what you do to me.
How ya like it bud?

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#83852 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. There was. The point was that the people who constructed this 30 acre site were far more sophisticated than the scientific community will recognize for that time period. Either the anthropologists and scientists are wrong, or the site could not exist as it does...
It appears that is because the normal progression of evolution can not account for an abrupt change in that status of human development, therefore, it just couldn't happen.
So---Gobekli Tepe is just a figment of our imagination...as are all the other examples worldwide which do not fit neatly into the confines of the paradigm.
This is "before" the civilization of Sumer.
But you see nothing wrong at all with this picture? LOL!
Gobekli Tepe is a suggestion that there was a intermission in the last ice age where a warming trend brought people (hunter gatherers) to communal existence in learning to domesticate animals and farm crops. It is the first evidence man began to develop brains through sharing and began the path to civilization. Not just small tribal grouping, but true civilization became from concept to reality. 12,000 ya today.
There is also the possibility that if the ice age had continued, civilization as we know it may have never happened.

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#83853 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Not MY beliefs.(shrug)
That was your statement...so?

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#83854 Mar 29, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> How did this real world came into form?
You don't know.
Accretion, gravitational attraction, and cosmic bombardment.

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#83855 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>monkeys and apes did not build them, humans did. and yes, we can so go beyond that kind of precision...
my first instinct was correct. you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about....none at all.
look...Bigfoot!
Humans are a type of ape.

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#83856 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>is that like when you said they built things with more precision than we can today?*snicker*
You can "snicker" all you want...it doesn't change the facts.
Can you find anyone{{{anyone}}} who can produce the stone vases and bowls in the Egyptian museum?

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#83857 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Geesus krist you are thick.
I don't deny evolution. I question the people who are "using" it poorly and/or wrongly for personal gain.
And yes, there have been many arguments and controversies regarding the research and discoveries.
So where do you stand in relation to God and Jesus?

Do you accept Jesus as your Savior?

Do you accept the Bible as the literal word of God?

How old do you believe the universe to be?

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#83858 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so humans developed faster than we thought...big whoop...that's how science works.
LOL!
Now yer danc'n woody.
Moov'n the goalpost ta fit yer needs now like a religionist?
Whoop-whoop!

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#83859 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I do.
Google search Wally Wallington. Oh what the heck, here is his site:
http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/
All by himself he moves amazingly heavy blocks. A team could lift much bigger blocks.
No, you don't What he does is not even a speck on an elephant's azz compared to trying to even lift a 780 ton block 70 X 14 X 10 feet...let alone with the technology from the time.
It can't be done with the best cranes we have available.

Nice try though.

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#83860 Mar 29, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Solar?
How did the solar or sun came into form?
Born in a stellar nursery....accretion....gravit y....almost the same way the earth was formed. Its a long process and we can see part of it going on now in the Orion constellation and a few other places in our galaxy.

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#83861 Mar 29, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Gobekli Tepe is a suggestion that there was a intermission in the last ice age where a warming trend brought people (hunter gatherers) to communal existence in learning to domesticate animals and farm crops. It is the first evidence man began to develop brains through sharing and began the path to civilization. Not just small tribal grouping, but true civilization became from concept to reality. 12,000 ya today.
There is also the possibility that if the ice age had continued, civilization as we know it may have never happened.
That's at least a hypothesis to table. Not just an outright denial of actuality.
There still remains the question of what "tools" were used to create 30 acres of such intricate construction, as(according to anthropology) these tools did not even exist 12,000 years ago...let alone the innovative mentality required to accomplish such a fete.

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#83862 Mar 29, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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So where do you stand in relation to God and Jesus?
Do you accept Jesus as your Savior?
Do you accept the Bible as the literal word of God?
How old do you believe the universe to be?
No.
No.
Perpetual cyclic motion...so ageless.

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#83863 Mar 29, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Hmmmn!
You have all the evidence and yet the world is a shaddow of it self.(Shrug).
What do you mean the world is a shadow of itself Charles.

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#83864 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> No, you don't What he does is not even a speck on an elephant's azz compared to trying to even lift a 780 ton block 70 X 14 X 10 feet...let alone with the technology from the time.
It can't be done with the best cranes we have available.
Nice try though.
Let's see a link to how big those blocks were. And please not from some paranoid site.

No super duper alien technology was needed to make the pyramids.

You are projecting your incompetence to the Egyptian people.

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#83865 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> That's at least a hypothesis to table. Not just an outright denial of actuality.
There still remains the question of what "tools" were used to create 30 acres of such intricate construction, as(according to anthropology) these tools did not even exist 12,000 years ago...let alone the innovative mentality required to accomplish such a fete.
Yes, well before the Copper or Bronze age. Probably only stone tools. But, from what I have read and studied they had all the brain-power we humans have today.

Some rock are way harder than others and we have been using stone tools for at least a million years (us and our evolutionary predecessors) such as Homo-heidelbergensis and Homo-erectus, etc.

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#83866 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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No.
No.
Perpetual cyclic motion...so ageless.
So you are in the science camp and don't believe the God/Jesus/Moses/Noah/flood/Exo dus/etc. crap....right?

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#83867 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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No.
No.
Perpetual cyclic motion...so ageless.
Where do you weigh in on the 14.7+- billion year old universe figure that's bandied about by everyone today.

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#83868 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Let's see a link to how big those blocks were. And please not from some paranoid site.
No super duper alien technology was needed to make the pyramids.
You are projecting your incompetence to the Egyptian people.
You are projecting here.
I never said anything whatsoever about aliens...that's all YOUR crap.
Nor have I said anything about the construction of the pyramids yet either...more of YOUR projection.

Does this satisfy you? the figures are all the same or nearly anyway...it is common knowledge.

http://atheism.about.com/od/religiousplaces/i...

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#83869 Mar 29, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Where do you weigh in on the 14.7+- billion year old universe figure that's bandied about by everyone today.
It may be part of a cycle "maybe"? Who really knows. Every 6-12 months a new hypothesis comes out. It's almost comical. I would like to see something concrete.

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