Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 220747 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83829 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> I've tried ta tell ya that several times, but I guess you are desperate ta have an enemy or whatever.
Not really. Already have plenty on here!

>;-)

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83830 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Depends on how long they were gone and how much genetic divergence had taken place. We know that neanderthals were able to interbreed with us although they were different enough to be noted as a distinct subspecies of humans. Until we hunted them or shagged them into oblivion that is.
It could have been a viral infection introduced to them like was the case in the Americas.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83831 Mar 29, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Yes my ancestors died, so that I might live, they just had no fuggin clue about me :).
My parents were creationists, the screwed and created me.
But it wasn't regression, they created the perfect animal...he he heh
Hahahah! Hey Aura!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83832 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> It could have been a viral infection introduced to them like was the case in the Americas.
very well could have been. from the history of humans, the killing off by homo sapiens would have the highest probability, along with any infections...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83833 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Nope. But it surely doesn't fit the accepted timeline and developed society posited for the time. Some day it will have to be recognized for what it is or the world will laugh at the scientific community as fools and stop supporting their efforts.
is that like when you said they built things with more precision than we can today?*snicker*

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83834 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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What you personally buy is irrelevant. "Disorders" is subjective. Mutations can be beneficial, detrimental or neutral. All humans are born with around on average 125 to 175 mutations as normal. Most are neutral.
<quoted text>
But anything passed on through the germ line IS passed on to new generations. That's how you end up with half your DNA from your mother and half from your father. This is how reproduction works. You will not gain any mutations your parents got from sunburn.
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If your father is born with a mutation and it's passed on to you, technically speaking it is not a mutation when describing the same DNA base(s) in your genome. It IS described as a mutation in HIS genome because neither of his parents had it. A mutation is simply a change of DNA. And DNA does change with each generation.
Right. And that "germ" line is passed from your parents. You do not "develop" them afterwards.
bohart

White Pine, TN

#83835 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, not only that you are using words you do not understand correctly.
And I don't name call. I use appropriate descriptive words.
Creatards are called creatards because of their actions, not because of their beliefs.
I am more than willing to help people out, but if they come on as rude ignorant bumpkins who have no idea how science is done or why it works then they get rudeness back tenfold.
So would you like to learn the scientific method, how it works, why it works, what is and is not evidence etc.?
It is clear right now that you are in no position to judge truth from lie. I will be running off soon, but this is not a task that can be accomplished in a few minutes anyway.
My offer to help is always genuine. When people play nice, I play nice, but lately I have had an overdose of creatards so my patience is a bit on the low side.
Good job subduct, you used all your defense mechanisms

1. lie
2. called him a creatard.
3. accused him of ignorance
4. spoke of your superiority.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83836 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so? was there a point there? was there a point to the whole post about an archeological site and what that has to do with evolution?
do try to have a point when you post, dear...
Yes. There was. The point was that the people who constructed this 30 acre site were far more sophisticated than the scientific community will recognize for that time period. Either the anthropologists and scientists are wrong, or the site could not exist as it does...
It appears that is because the normal progression of evolution can not account for an abrupt change in that status of human development, therefore, it just couldn't happen.
So---Gobekli Tepe is just a figment of our imagination...as are all the other examples worldwide which do not fit neatly into the confines of the paradigm.
This is "before" the civilization of Sumer.
But you see nothing wrong at all with this picture? LOL!

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83837 Mar 29, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Actually ,
the monkeys just sorta watched the apes build them :).
Same thing --different actors.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83838 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually it was speculation based on the fossil record which was then verified by genetics, remember?
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
And that only goes back to 4.4 mil yrs ago. in Ethiopia like I said...and they are still arguing whether that is even part of the hominid line.
Like I said before...how about some accountability rather than speculation before making statements as though they are facts.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83839 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. There was. The point was that the people who constructed this 30 acre site were far more sophisticated than the scientific community will recognize for that time period. Either the anthropologists and scientists are wrong, or the site could not exist as it does...
It appears that is because the normal progression of evolution can not account for an abrupt change in that status of human development, therefore, it just couldn't happen.
So---Gobekli Tepe is just a figment of our imagination...as are all the other examples worldwide which do not fit neatly into the confines of the paradigm.
This is "before" the civilization of Sumer.
But you see nothing wrong at all with this picture? LOL!
so humans developed faster than we thought...big whoop...that's how science works.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83840 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>monkeys and apes did not build them, humans did. and yes, we can so go beyond that kind of precision...
my first instinct was correct. you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about....none at all.
look...Bigfoot!
Really?
How about Baalbeck...that's even at a later date(supposedly).
Can you move the blocks [750 tons] any distance at all, and lift them say even 30 feet high and place them perfectly?
Now, I'm not even asking you to cut them from the raw quarry without damaging them.
Can you do that?
Or know anyone who can?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83841 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>monkeys and apes did not build them, humans did. and yes, we can so go beyond that kind of precision...
my first instinct was correct. you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about....none at all.
look...Bigfoot!
Anthropology says that mankind was not able to do that at that time -mentally, physically, or technologically.

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#83842 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually humans did that. We could match that precision same as they could. And we could do it much faster. The only difference is that economics is what prevents us from doing these things today. Oh, that and practicality.
Right.
See my post about Baalbek.

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#83843 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yet you keep saying you have examples of where evolution theory fails...like your archeology site...
why do you say that then?
It is what it is.

You pretend it is perfect and I do not.

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#83844 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually as I tried to point out previously I am open-minded as to whether or not you're a creationist, UFO nut, or "free-thinker". I haven't come down yay or nay on any particular one yet. But like I said, the particulars aren't really relevant. Doesn't matter if we see false information spread by a creationist or some new-ager dude, we'll come down on it just the same either way.
Yes. God forbid if someone points to an obvious flaw in any research or hypothesis though.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83845 Mar 29, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Good job subduct, you used all your defense mechanisms
1. lie
2. called him a creatard.
3. accused him of ignorance
4. spoke of your superiority.
No bohart, wrong on all counts.

1. Evolutionists don't need to lie. That is a creationist tactic. You know you lie and use lying sources, we know you lie and use lying sources. You are not fooling anyone.

2. No, I have not called him a creatard yet. You have implied that he is one. Tsk, tsk. Shame on you. Or perhaps you know him better.

3. No, I pointed out his ignorance. Big difference.

4. No, I offered to help. He probably knows some things that I don't know. I know that I know things he does not know. He has made obvious errors.

Nice try. As usual you are completely wrong.

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Everett, WA

#83846 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Really?
How about Baalbeck...that's even at a later date(supposedly).
Can you move the blocks [750 tons] any distance at all, and lift them say even 30 feet high and place them perfectly?
Now, I'm not even asking you to cut them from the raw quarry without damaging them.
Can you do that?
Or know anyone who can?
I do.

Google search Wally Wallington. Oh what the heck, here is his site:

http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/

All by himself he moves amazingly heavy blocks. A team could lift much bigger blocks.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83847 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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DNA is a measure of how closely related biological organisms are. This is basic school-level biology.
What's yer point?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#83848 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Since the Bible said it was global then the Bible was in error. Since the Bible said donkeys and lizards talk the Bible was in error. Since the Adam & Eve and Noah scenarios are not genetically viable the Bible was in error. Since the Earth is not a flat square circle at the center of a geocentric universe the Bible was in error.
I understand your wish to make allowances for the ignorance of primitive goatherders who didn't get out much but you can't say that the Bible "Word of God" then blame any "minor" errors on the goatherders who wrote it.
But, you see all our information about the flood came from the Bible which is supposed to be inspired by God and without error and the Bible specifically says the flood was world-wide.

What is one to do??

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