Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221264 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83809 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> No. That is YOUR contention that I don't accept "evolution".
You seem to have this need to portray me as some religious creationist.
You are dead wrong.
yet you keep saying you have examples of where evolution theory fails...like your archeology site...

why do you say that then?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83810 Mar 29, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> How did this real world came into form?
You don't know.
Accreted solar disk particles...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83811 Mar 29, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No Mikie, there was flood that is the major goal, and the bible said so. Period.
no chippy, there was no global flood in humans' time. period

your cult lied to you...again...

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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Since: Oct 10

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#83812 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually you are incorrect, as the linkys I have since provided demonstrate. In actual fact if you were able to falsify evolution it would be YOU who would be world renowned and instantly famous.
<quoted text>
Sorry bub, but there hasn't been any "controversy" over the validity of evolution since the discovery of DNA at the very latest. The only GENUINE scientific controversies over evolutionary biology are the specifics of HOW it occurred (which is normal in any scientific field), not whether or not it DID occur.
Geesus krist you are thick.
I don't deny evolution. I question the people who are "using" it poorly and/or wrongly for personal gain.
And yes, there have been many arguments and controversies regarding the research and discoveries.

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#83813 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Since the Bible said it was global then the Bible was in error. Since the Bible said donkeys and lizards talk the Bible was in error. Since the Adam & Eve and Noah scenarios are not genetically viable the Bible was in error. Since the Earth is not a flat square circle at the center of a geocentric universe the Bible was in error.
I understand your wish to make allowances for the ignorance of primitive goatherders who didn't get out much but you can't say that the Bible "Word of God" then blame any "minor" errors on the goatherders who wrote it.
Hmmmn!
You have all the evidence and yet the world is a shaddow of it self.(Shrug).
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83814 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> No. That is YOUR contention that I don't accept "evolution".
You seem to have this need to portray me as some religious creationist.
You are dead wrong.
Actually as I tried to point out previously I am open-minded as to whether or not you're a creationist, UFO nut, or "free-thinker". I haven't come down yay or nay on any particular one yet. But like I said, the particulars aren't really relevant. Doesn't matter if we see false information spread by a creationist or some new-ager dude, we'll come down on it just the same either way.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83815 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Um... what on Earth (no pun intended) does the "extra-terrestrial" have to do with any of this?
Don't tell me we have another Infinite-Force!
:-/
Don't tell me you have no clue about supernova explosions and their effects on this planet.
Or solar flare and the effects of the cyclic activity of the sun on our planet.
Or the effects of meteor and cometary impact.
There is more, but that is enough for now.
Have you ever taken into account the timelines and effects these things have had on the planet in general and our civilization?
It appears you haven't as it might not fit that neat little paradigm which has been built by academia.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83816 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Sure.
Can it prove I am related to Lucy?
Can it prove who and where people were before the last bottleneck in population?
DNA is a measure of how closely related biological organisms are. This is basic school-level biology.

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#83817 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I thought it was the Nicean Council using Paulanity as their guide.(shrug)
False!
Read the works of Paul in Hebrews, Ephesians, etc. And see how he referenced Christ.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83818 Mar 29, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No Mikie, there was flood that is the major goal, and the bible said so. Period.
Yes, the Bible is true cuz teh Bible sez so! Just ignore the bit where it got the flood totally wrong.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83819 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually if changes provide an advantage that's a darn good reason why those characteristics spread through populations.
LOL!
So, you are saying there is a "goal" to improve the species?
By who?
God?
Or do the people just pick a mutation and run with it because they like it?
Hahahahah!

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#83820 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Accreted solar disk particles...
Solar?
How did the solar or sun came into form?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83821 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Ah, gotcha. It's the evil world-wide atheist Darwinist evolutionist elitist scientist liberal socialist Communist Nazi anti-Christian God-hating Satan-worshipping baby-eating Jewish Illumanati conspiracy at work then.
If that's what you want to believe, have at it.

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#83822 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no chippy, there was no global flood in humans' time. period
your cult lied to you...again...
The issue was that, there was flood and the bible said so. Period.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83823 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Ah, so you accept evolution then. Jolly good!
I've tried ta tell ya that several times, but I guess you are desperate ta have an enemy or whatever.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83824 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Geesus krist you are thick.
I don't deny evolution. I question the people who are "using" it poorly and/or wrongly for personal gain.
That's nice. But your claim is rather generic and smacks of just a little bit of paranoia to say the least. And keeping in mind that the hypothesis of common ancestry (kinda the whole point of the modern evolutionary synthesis if you didn't know) is accepted by the vast majority of the biological community, and that further, that is where most of your strenuous objections lie, that is why the amount of your "acceptance" of evolution is questioned.
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
And yes, there have been many arguments and controversies regarding the research and discoveries.
Not by the biological community as a whole. Remember we discount creationists and quacks because they have no scientific basis. So no, the DI, AIG, ICR doth not constitute a "controversy". Neither does an idiot like Senapathy or von Daniken. An example of a genuine scientific controversy WITHIN evolution would be Alan Feduccia's position over dino-bird ancestry, or Gould's punctuated equilibria. Again, it's HOW evolution occurred is where the "controversies" are, not whether or not it DID occur.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83825 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> LOL!
So, you are saying there is a "goal" to improve the species?
By who?
God?
Or do the people just pick a mutation and run with it because they like it?
Hahahahah!
No, I'm not claiming there's a goal. And nor do the animals "choose" it. Again you are misunderstanding the concept, making the exact same mistake as the fundies do. Mutations occur, and they can be good, bad or indifferent. If neutral they will have a negligible effect on reproduction. If detrimental they will cause problems for reproduction. Maybe even to the point of extinction. If successful, successful mutations will spread through the population quicker than detrimental ones, hence further on down the line the resulting population will be "improved". This is natural selection.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83826 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> If that's what you want to believe, have at it.
Not MY beliefs.(shrug)

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83827 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Funny, I thought it was just made by humans and this, being only 12,000 years old tops was more of archaeological significance rather than evolutionary significance.(shrug)
Just checking, you're not a von Däniken fan are you?
Nope. But it surely doesn't fit the accepted timeline and developed society posited for the time. Some day it will have to be recognized for what it is or the world will laugh at the scientific community as fools and stop supporting their efforts.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83828 Mar 29, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The issue was that, there was flood and the bible said so. Period.
Big deal. There was a rainstorm and the Koran said so.

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