Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221490 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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sam

East Maitland, Australia

#83769 Mar 29, 2013
PROFESSOR X wrote:
Atheistic Scientists were Humiliated As Their Junk DNA Evolution Paradigm recently Collapsed
Anti-theistic scientists, Ken Miller, Ayala, Dawkins, Collins, Falk and other junk DNA proponents made failed observations about DNA, such that their Darwinian evolution paradigm has collapsed. Not that long ago, junk DNA was being defended as an important element of the Darwinian evolution paradigm ... The question now seems to be whether Ayala, Dawkins, Collins, Falk and other junk DNA proponents will continue to defend junk DNA, whatever they call it?- Rob Crowther,PhD
Evolutionary Biologist Richard Sternberg discusses modern genomics and the collapse of evolutionists junk DNA theory.
http://www.cross.tv/66770
And
Doubt Atheism & Question Darwinism
http://www.evolutionfacts.blogspot.com
.
and
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83770 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> What ? 7% of maybe 42 efrv's...and even that "may" be significant...is NOT [slam the door] evidence of anything except wishful thinking, and really stretching the "gumby" guy.
Yeah, it's pretty much slam the door, except to promoters of pseudo-science.(shrug)

Otherwise then you can provide an alternative mechanism for ERV insertion at orthologous positions.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83771 Mar 29, 2013
MikeF wrote:
42? Where ARE you getting your information?
He's getting information?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83772 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Let me point out where your entire premise falls apart utterly:
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Mutations are NEW information. If you transfer EXISTING information that is NOT new information. Organism 1 does not "transfer" mutations to its offspring organism 2. Organism 1 transfers its existing genetic material to organism 2 and organism 2 undergoes mutations during development, thereby ending up with a small amount of genetic material which is NOT shared by either parent.
Nope. I don't buy it.
Denovo mutations are "disorders".
Somatic mutations can not be passed on to new generations.
Hereditary mutations come from the parent(s), and are inherent in the cells of the offspring.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83773 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Several places in history are completely out of sync with the accepted view of the intellectual and societal disposition of the proposed "evolution" of humans. I don't think ALL the evidence is being objectively considered, and is causing considerable difficulty in the formation of discovery of a proper timeline of evolution and involved factors...mostly because of control of the "funding" for research, and the need to be accepted academically, even knowing that the information and methods are in error.
Ah, gotcha. It's the evil world-wide atheist Darwinist evolutionist elitist scientist liberal socialist Communist Nazi anti-Christian God-hating Satan-worshipping baby-eating Jewish Illumanati conspiracy at work then.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83774 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> From a paper 2 years more recent than yours.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...
Ah, so you accept evolution then. Jolly good!
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83775 Mar 29, 2013
Gillette wrote:
Ah, 3:30 Central USA time, about 8:00 in the evening England time.
The Dude is home from work, has had dinner, and sits down at his computer for a pleasant evening of swatting Christian creationist kooks!:)
And about to have a beer. Cheers!
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83776 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Simply smashing job...ol' boy!
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/721940736/h602A0...

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83777 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Here it is again:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
And:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TCT...
Not sure what you mean by the "reasons" for mutation. They simply happen. That's why you are born with around 125 to 175 mutations which are not shared by either of your parents. This is a normal part of human reproduction. So to me it sounds like you are thinking that evolution involves some kind of goal-direction. This is a common mistake made by creationists, which probably stems from their assumption that humans were always the intended goal since God made them that way.
I don't know where you get this idea that I am a creationist, but if that makes you feel all fuzzy, then have at it.
I don't see any "goal" in evolution. In fact, from what I see it is more of regression than progression.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83778 Mar 29, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Quotes from your paper. Support OUR postion, not yours, right?
But isn't it the job of anti-science quacks to misrepresent the other side and claim science papers in support of evolution actually falsify evolution even though the evolutionary biologists who disagree with them using evolutionary science and methods they disagree with disagree with said anti-science quack's position on science?(shrug)
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83779 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> There are several. One would be Gobekli tepe.
!2'000 years ago, hunter gatherers built a 30 or more acre complex with elaborate carvings in stones weighing tons..then 1000 or so yrs later they carefully fill it all back in with sand and stone and completely disappear...
What were these "apemen" who were not considered far from treehangers with primitive spears etc. possibly thinking of? Fooling the world into thinking they possessed intelligence and abilities thousands of years beyond their capability and social structure?
How dare they screw with the future anthropologists like that!..knowing full well they were totally out of place in history and all.
Funny, I thought it was just made by humans and this, being only 12,000 years old tops was more of archaeological significance rather than evolutionary significance.(shrug)

Just checking, you're not a von Däniken fan are you?

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#83780 Mar 29, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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The only flood in the area that falls into the Biblical slot is dated to 2900 BC so if the Bible can stretch there it works. And like we have been telling you there was no interruption to the rest of the world and all the civilizations around the world that were flourishing both at 2900 BC or 2350 BC.
None of the Biblical stories fit the rest of the world civilizations going on at the time that the Hebrews were writing their opus.
Why do you suppose a God would contact a small tribe of wandering goat herders in the Middle East and not the big civilizations in China and India and the Indus valley Civilizations that wouldn't have to go through the crap that the goat herders did??
Serious problems with the Jewish God that you guys adopted thru the efforts of St.Paul
Atheist compositions!
Paul is not the founder of Christianity, but Jesus Christ is.
Christianity, the bible is growing and spreading in the east and far east.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83781 Mar 29, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Imagine in the not-distant future, if humanity sends a colony to Mars. They live there, gradually expanding their numbers as the years go by. And gradually, babies are born with longer, lighter limbs as natural selection favors thinner bodies in the lower gravity of Mars.
Say also that they begin to gradually have lung changes as they begin to acclimate to the different Martian atmosphere- say the way we know that some fish on earth developed into lungfish/mudskippers and then transitioned into full air-breathing land creatures.
After a long time, say some of these "Martians" come back to visit the earth, looking very different and having different lung setups -- perhaps they would need breathing tanks to walk around on earth.
Would earth people want to "breed" with them? Would offspring be sterile, or even possible?
Or would they be too different, because of the changes brought about by their situation of reproductive isolation?
Depends on how long they were gone and how much genetic divergence had taken place. We know that neanderthals were able to interbreed with us although they were different enough to be noted as a distinct subspecies of humans. Until we hunted them or shagged them into oblivion that is.

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#83782 Mar 29, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Nope. That's why I'm not as ignorant as you.
Irony!
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83783 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> So you think we may reach that point of non-reproductability?
Eventually. Might not even be for hundreds of thousands of years though. Assuming we're not all wiped out by some freak plague, asteroid, blow ourselves up in WW3 or the fundie apocalypse comes about.

“ad victoriam”

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arte et marte

#83784 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> I don't know where you get this idea that I am a creationist, but if that makes you feel all fuzzy, then have at it.
I don't see any "goal" in evolution. In fact, from what I see it is more of regression than progression.
Yes my ancestors died, so that I might live, they just had no fuggin clue about me :).
My parents were creationists, the screwed and created me.
But it wasn't regression, they created the perfect animal...he he heh

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83785 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Why there are PLENTY of humanoid species which can no longer interbreed.
They're called the great apes.
You are talking about a hominid line which is only "guessed" about at best, and 8 million years ago in that split-if it in fact even happened then. So far it is merely speculation.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83786 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Of course. But what of the thousands of years of separation worldwide...before that travel had any effect?
.
Current estimates put human migration from Africa at 125,000 years ago at most. Neanderthals is more around 300,000 years ago, and we could still interbreed. So based on that it looks like modern humans could still have many thousands of years longer before we find divergence significantly noticeable. It's not that there is no effect, it's just that the effect is that slow.

“ad victoriam”

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arte et marte

#83787 Mar 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny, I thought it was just made by humans and this, being only 12,000 years old tops was more of archaeological significance rather than evolutionary significance.(shrug)
Just checking, you're not a von Däniken fan are you?
They should name major league teams after creationists Von Daniken and atheists , we could cheer them on .
The ancient aliens are ahead by 7, 1st and 10 on the 2 yard line in the fourth quarter with 2 minutes left to go , this could be the first time they defeated the Jesus freaks in the superbowl in NFL history !
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83788 Mar 29, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> This is neither child's play nor comedy, but this is reality. For we work by faith and not by sight.
Food for thought, Frodo.
Yes I know that you actively decide to not see reality in favour of faith. I have thought about these things Chuck.

And I'm still waiting on that cheque.

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