Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 210128 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83646 Mar 29, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Right here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_ev...
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Of course not. They don't exist anymore and it's tough to get DNA from fossils unless they are fairly recent.
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No evidence? You might not like the evidence but it's silly to claim there is none. There is.
So what's your problem, BT?
Your failure to produce any proof...wiki is not proof of anything...scientific papers are even question until repeat experiment is shown to verify.
It's not tough anymore...science is rapidly improving in technique.

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#83647 Mar 29, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"In "Jurassic Park," scientists extract 80-million-year-old dino DNA from the bellies of mosquitoes trapped in amber. Researchers may never be able to extract genetic material that old and bring a T. rex back to life, but a new study suggests DNA can survive in fossils longer than previously believed.
The oldest DNA samples ever recovered are from insects and plants in ice cores in Greenland up to 800,000 years old. But researchers had not been able to determine the oldest possible DNA they could get from the fossil record because DNA's rate of decay had remained a mystery.
Now scientists in Australia report they've been able to estimate this rate based on a comparison of DNA from 158 fossilized leg bones from three species of the moa, an extinct group of flightless birds that once lived in New Zealand. The bones date between 600 and 8,000 years old and importantly all come from the same "
Yeah, the 521 years half-life story. That's been a topic of discussion here. Seems that it's a little controversial. Even the researcher themselves admitted that there could still be a great deal of variation in the so called half-life.

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#83648 Mar 29, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
Here is the source Mike to the article I posted to you: http://rense.com/general75/dife.htm
Actually, I saw one of those as well over 20 years ago in Pennsylvania. Not all that dramatic. No weird light. No non-ballistic motion. But no noise that I could detect. Pretty weird.

I do know the military were tinkering with advanced lighter than air ships. It looked something like the one at the bottom of the page:
http://www.thestealthblimp.com/

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#83649 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>My mom and her friends saw it also.
they were not aliens UFOs...
How did this ufo origins came to be?

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#83650 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>We got really nice DNA from the mummified/frozen Neandertal in the Italian alps. it is from that that we know that most humans today have neandertal DNA in us.
Oh joy...and there is evidence of homo erectus having lived with neandertal in southeastern Europe over 500,000 yrs ago. Yes, we have bones dated to prove it. Your history changes like socks and underwear. Therefore can not be taken as conclusive or positive actuality.

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#83651 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Your failure to produce any proof...wiki is not proof of anything...
You asked who died and where were their remains. I answered you. As I suspected, nothing that can be offered to you will be good enough. Seems a waste of time, eh?
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
scientific papers are even question until repeat experiment is shown to verify.
It's not tough anymore...science is rapidly improving in technique.
I agree. It is improving.

So I ask you again, what is your problem?

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#83652 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>My mom and her friends saw it also.
they were not aliens UFOs...
What I mean is who manufactured a ufo to be this large (mile long) that flies real slow with no sound.

Any theories or ideas you may have, I would like to hear them.

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#83653 Mar 29, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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You asked who died and where were their remains. I answered you. As I suspected, nothing that can be offered to you will be good enough. Seems a waste of time, eh?
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I agree. It is improving.
So I ask you again, what is your problem?
The problem is that NONE of it can positively prove the progressive evolution of humans from any given origin...and yet it is posited as proof positive...It is what it is...spoof

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#83654 Mar 29, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Actually, I saw one of those as well over 20 years ago in Pennsylvania. Not all that dramatic. No weird light. No non-ballistic motion. But no noise that I could detect. Pretty weird.
I do know the military were tinkering with advanced lighter than air ships. It looked something like the one at the bottom of the page:
http://www.thestealthblimp.com/
This could be used as a possible explanation. Thanks for that link.

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#83655 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Oh joy...and there is evidence of homo erectus having lived with neandertal in southeastern Europe over 500,000 yrs ago. Yes, we have bones dated to prove it. Your history changes like socks and underwear. Therefore can not be taken as conclusive or positive actuality.
yes, there is proof they lived together...

so sad..

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#83656 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Read what better?
Where is your "living" proof of the evolution of man from any origin?
Scientific proof requires the step by step testing and confirmed connection of any previous fossils or remains from the first to the last product of that human evolution.
Anything less is purely conjecture and hypothesis by any scientific standard of proof or discovery.
The failure to discover or validate any connecting "pieces" in any number only serves to make any hypothesis even weaker and more questionable.
So I ask for that proof, and my request for evidence and explanation regarding your conjecture is deemed a [FAIL]?
That is indeed, poor science...
Or you are a poor representative.
No, you are one hundred percent wrong and obviously do not understand the scientific method.

Second, you again show you do not understand science by asking for "proof". Technically proof is a mathematical concept not a scientific one.

Thirdly, no your inability to understand the posts of others is considered a fail. Your rudeness while being wrong is a very large fail.

And right now I am tired of being a "good representative". Treat tards as tards since they will never be anything but tards is my motto today.

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#83657 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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The problem is that NONE of it can positively prove the progressive evolution of humans from any given origin...and yet it is posited as proof positive...It is what it is...spoof
the clear fossil record of beings moving from more ape-like to more human-like proves that...

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#83658 Mar 29, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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What I mean is who manufactured a ufo to be this large (mile long) that flies real slow with no sound.
Any theories or ideas you may have, I would like to hear them.
if that is what it was...it is not known if it was one vehicle or many or what they were...

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#83659 Mar 29, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Yep. Though, again, those fossils were fairly recent.
yeah, I cannot remember how old Otsi was. but he was not fossilized, he was frozen/mummified. none of his bones had undergone fossilization.

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#83660 Mar 29, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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How did this ufo origins came to be?
What UFO origins?

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#83661 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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The problem is that NONE of it can positively prove the progressive evolution of humans from any given origin...and yet it is posited as proof positive...It is what it is...spoof
There is one thing that is sometimes considered as "proof" in science. That is concordance.

When several different disciplines all agree independently on a claim then it is pretty much deemed to be proven. We don't have evidence for evolution just in the fossil record. In biology there are countless phylogenical trees that all show evolution to be the answer. Evidence for evolution can be seen in the fossil record, in the laboratory, in the field, in your DNA. Every aspect of science agrees with evolution. None with creation.

This video explains it much better than I ever could:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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#83662 Mar 29, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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How did this ufo origins came to be?
Charles??
Gillette

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#83663 Mar 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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...a million years later? What about the caterpillar to butterfly transformation?
A caterpillar and a butterfly are two forms of the same species?

WTH are you even asking here? LOL
Gillette

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#83664 Mar 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So how would the information from the outside world, such as leaves on a tree in relation to a giraffe growing a longer neck to reach a food source come about to mutate the genes?
??? Answered well by others.

In my HYPOTHETICAL example (NOT meant to be a giraffe), from generation to generation as the drought continues, those animals with longer necks eat better, live longer, reproduce more compared to the stubby necks, and thus the gene for the longer neck spreads throughout the population.

Natural selection.

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#83665 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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The problem is that NONE of it can positively prove the progressive evolution of humans from any given origin...and yet it is posited as proof positive...It is what it is...spoof
It is not. No responsible person who knows anything about the subject claims it has been proven. As often said, proof is for whiskey. Evolution does happen. The Theory of Evolution attempts to explain it. But ToE is not *proven*. It is accepted by the scientific community at large and many laypersons to be the best explanation for evolution.

Whoever told you it has been proven, tell them I said they are wrong.

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