Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209847 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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#83625 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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It is clear that English is not your native tongue. Sometimes your posts are difficult to understand. But yes, there is tons of evidence for evolution. No honest scientist can or will deny it.
Do you know what evidence is? There is no scientific evidence that supports creation or whatever strange belief that you have.
Difficult to understand because there is an equivocation problem with the term species and you fail to realize this.

English is my native tongue, it's just very difficult formulating what I am saying because I think outside of the box. Takes a lot of analyzing to try and point out how your method of reasoning is double standard.

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#83626 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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As he said, you need to read better.
Massive fail, try again.
Read what better?

Where is your "living" proof of the evolution of man from any origin?

Scientific proof requires the step by step testing and confirmed connection of any previous fossils or remains from the first to the last product of that human evolution.
Anything less is purely conjecture and hypothesis by any scientific standard of proof or discovery.
The failure to discover or validate any connecting "pieces" in any number only serves to make any hypothesis even weaker and more questionable.

So I ask for that proof, and my request for evidence and explanation regarding your conjecture is deemed a [FAIL]?

That is indeed, poor science...

Or you are a poor representative.

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#83627 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Black Thunder's first fail was such a train wreck that I missed his second massive fail in his post.
Once again, the reason that there are no other hominids that can interbreed with man is that they went extinct. They all died off. They could not handle the pressure. Many animal species go extinct every year. Did you think that our relatives were immune to extinction?
You have failed to answer the posit that the human species was indeed separated for many thousands of years geologically on a global scale, yet is "still" capable of interbreeding...unlike your "circle species" would suggest happening.
You are making excuses for errant prediction now.

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#83628 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I think that you meant to post that the belief that all species alive on Earth came from one initial species is insane.
It isn't. That is the only idea that has scientific evidence supporting it. What evidence do you have that I am wrong?
You don't even know what a species is and neither does the theory of evolution when it comes to the origin of species.

You can't go by appearence alone and classify different species.

EXAMPLE: The grizzly bear and the polar bear is deemed as a different species, while they are able to produce fertile off-spring of both species called the polar-grizzly bear hybrid.

Look up the Genus species for the polar and grizzly bear and you will see they are classified as different species.

You see the equivocation problem with your species terrm?

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#83629 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No fail master. We have tons of evidence that supports our claims.
There is no scientific evidence for creation.
Do show that "tons of evidence" rather than your propensity to defamation in it's absence, as All I have witnessed so far is rhetoric...and poor rhetoric at that.

I am not a creationist, but neither am I going to swallow up the inaccuracies and misinformation you are presenting as factual and actuality.

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#83630 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>because they died off.
Who died off? And where are their remains?
Can you prove that their DNA were unable to reproduce?
You are grasping at straws...making statements with absolutely no evidence to back them up...just like a religionist

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#83631 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> You have failed to answer the posit that the human species was indeed separated for many thousands of years geologically on a global scale, yet is "still" capable of interbreeding...unlike your "circle species" would suggest happening.
You are making excuses for errant prediction now.
it's not a 'posit' we know it did happen.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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#83632 Mar 29, 2013
Correction: You don't even know what a species is and neither does the theory of evolution when it comes to the origin of species.

You can't go by appearence alone and classify different species.

EXAMPLE: The grizzly bear and the polar bear is deemed as a different species, while they are able to produce fertile off-spring of both sexes called the polar-grizzly bear hybrid.

Look up the Genus species for the polar and grizzly bear and you will see they are classified as different species.

You see the equivocation problem with your species terrm?

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#83633 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You really don't know what you did wrong?
Reread the post you were responding to you clearly misunderstood it.
In fact you double fail.
You do not understand ring species and you did not understand woodtick's post.
Let's deal with ring species.
Some creatards try to define "kind" by the ability to breed. If a species is a "kind" they all should be able to breed with each other. This seems to be I.F's claim. Ring species shows that not to be the case.
I haven't "missed" anything.
Show how this is actuality concerning human evolution...

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#83634 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it's not a 'posit' we know it did happen.
Then it should be quite easy to show and give example.

Where is it?
Where is the undeniable proof of the genetic progression of the human chromosome and the following physical evidence that verifies that posit?
When that is presented--THEN we will"know"...and only then.

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#83635 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Who died off? And where are their remains?
Can you prove that their DNA were unable to reproduce?
You are grasping at straws...making statements with absolutely no evidence to back them up...just like a religionist
the neandetals. and yes, we have the remains of several of them.

yes, it can be proven. most humans have neandertal DNA in them. most likely you do.

epic fai.....

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#83636 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Who died off? And where are their remains?
Right here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_ev...
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
Can you prove that their DNA were unable to reproduce?
Of course not. They don't exist anymore and it's tough to get DNA from fossils unless they are fairly recent.
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
You are grasping at straws...making statements with absolutely no evidence to back them up...just like a religionist
No evidence? You might not like the evidence but it's silly to claim there is none. There is.

So what's your problem, BT?

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#83637 Mar 29, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Right here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_ev...
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Of course not. They don't exist anymore and it's tough to get DNA from fossils unless they are fairly recent.
<quoted text>
No evidence? You might not like the evidence but it's silly to claim there is none. There is.
So what's your problem, BT?
We got really nice DNA from the mummified/frozen Neandertal in the Italian alps. it is from that that we know that most humans today have neandertal DNA in us.

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#83638 Mar 29, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>Right here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_ev...

Black Thunder 42 wrote, "Can you prove that their DNA were unable to reproduce?"

Of course not. They don't exist anymore and it's tough to get DNA from fossils unless they are fairly recent.

Black Thunder 42 wrote, "You are grasping at straws...making statements with absolutely no evidence to back them up...just like a religionist"

No evidence? You might not like the evidence but it's silly to claim there is none. There is.

So what's your problem, BT?
"In "Jurassic Park," scientists extract 80-million-year-old dino DNA from the bellies of mosquitoes trapped in amber. Researchers may never be able to extract genetic material that old and bring a T. rex back to life, but a new study suggests DNA can survive in fossils longer than previously believed.

The oldest DNA samples ever recovered are from insects and plants in ice cores in Greenland up to 800,000 years old. But researchers had not been able to determine the oldest possible DNA they could get from the fossil record because DNA's rate of decay had remained a mystery.

Now scientists in Australia report they've been able to estimate this rate based on a comparison of DNA from 158 fossilized leg bones from three species of the moa, an extinct group of flightless birds that once lived in New Zealand. The bones date between 600 and 8,000 years old and importantly all come from the same "

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#83639 Mar 29, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Right here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_ev...
<quoted text>
Of course not. They don't exist anymore and it's tough to get DNA from fossils unless they are fairly recent.
<quoted text>
No evidence? You might not like the evidence but it's silly to claim there is none. There is.
So what's your problem, BT?
What do you think about this if it was true?

Ten years after the Arizona UFO incident known as the "Phoenix Lights," former Arizona Republican Governor Fife Symington, III, now says that he himself was a witness to one of the strange unidentified flying objects, even though he originally did not say so publicly.

"It was enormous and inexplicable," he said in an exclusive interview from his home in Phoenix. "Who knows where it came from? A lot of people saw it, and I saw it too."

On March 13, 1997, during Symington's second term as Governor, thousands saw multiple triangular and V-shaped craft, gliding slowly and silently across the sky for half an hour beginning at approximately 8:15 pm. Awestruck witnesses, throughout the state, estimated that the eerie, lighted vehicles were bigger than many football fields, up to a mile long."

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#83640 Mar 29, 2013
Here is the source Mike to the article I posted to you: http://rense.com/general75/dife.htm

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#83641 Mar 29, 2013
"the dude" would like this article.

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#83642 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the neandetals. and yes, we have the remains of several of them.
yes, it can be proven. most humans have neandertal DNA in them. most likely you do.
epic fai.....
Well, by all means show me a paper that addresses that.

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#83644 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>We got really nice DNA from the mummified/frozen Neandertal in the Italian alps. it is from that that we know that most humans today have neandertal DNA in us.
Yep. Though, again, those fossils were fairly recent.

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#83645 Mar 29, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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What do you think about this if it was true?
Ten years after the Arizona UFO incident known as the "Phoenix Lights," former Arizona Republican Governor Fife Symington, III, now says that he himself was a witness to one of the strange unidentified flying objects, even though he originally did not say so publicly.
"It was enormous and inexplicable," he said in an exclusive interview from his home in Phoenix. "Who knows where it came from? A lot of people saw it, and I saw it too."
On March 13, 1997, during Symington's second term as Governor, thousands saw multiple triangular and V-shaped craft, gliding slowly and silently across the sky for half an hour beginning at approximately 8:15 pm. Awestruck witnesses, throughout the state, estimated that the eerie, lighted vehicles were bigger than many football fields, up to a mile long."
My mom and her friends saw it also.

they were not aliens UFOs...

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