Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216597 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#83607 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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The human race, as homo sapiens has not existed for 4 million years. And during that time period there was more than one species of homo and though we can't tell for sure some of them probably could not interbreed.
Animals go extinct too and we are the only line that survived.
Fail.

With the thousands of years of (supposed)continental separation of humanoid species, there surely should have been differences in physical abilities and biological differences that your "circle species" argument infers.
I have yet to see you produce an example of that as the case ...therefore that argument is BS as it is presented.

Your argument concerning earlier species is purely hypothetical also...as you have NO tangible proof that any of it is valid and actuality.

Show us any skeletal and genetic matches for any humanoid mutation that can in any way "prove" the evolution of the humanoid line as it is proposed, and the reasons for the occurrences of change and/or mutation.

The earliest known ancestor of man was 4.4 million years ago...so don't hand me that BS either.

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#83608 Mar 29, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
No, but thanks. I already knew that Homo sapiens and Neanderthals could interbreed. Finding which hominids could NOT interbreed is a trickier problem.

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#83609 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Fail.
With the thousands of years of (supposed)continental separation of humanoid species, there surely should have been differences in physical abilities and biological differences that your "circle species" argument infers.
I have yet to see you produce an example of that as the case ...therefore that argument is BS as it is presented.
Your argument concerning earlier species is purely hypothetical also...as you have NO tangible proof that any of it is valid and actuality.
Show us any skeletal and genetic matches for any humanoid mutation that can in any way "prove" the evolution of the humanoid line as it is proposed, and the reasons for the occurrences of change and/or mutation.
The earliest known ancestor of man was 4.4 million years ago...so don't hand me that BS either.
Wrong, this is a fail on your part.

The theory of evolution does not say that creatures have to evolve. If they are well adapted to their environment there is little reason for them to evolve and evolution is slow. And as I said there were several hominids alive in the past but it is very difficult to know whether or not they can interbreed by simply looking at them.

For example we know that some of the great cats can interbreed and some can't. You can't really tell just by looking.

So were there hominid ring species in the past? Who knows? Right now we do not have enough information to say either way.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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#83610 Mar 29, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Hmm.
Do you have any scientific evidence supporting this concept of "fixed", in the sense that you're using it?
If so, shoot me a link, please. I'd be fascinated.
Likewise, does evolution have the evidence in the sense that "I am using it" to support the origin of one species dividing into two or more species from generation one to the millionth generation?

Before I back up my claim, back up yours because I am holding you to this same standard and this means the biological species term is the only one you can refer to. SORRY, BI DON'T PLAY THAT DOUBLE STANDARD GAME!

Present your evidence using my standard and I will present mine.

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#83611 Mar 29, 2013
Thinking it over there were probably never hominid ring species. One of the requirements for ring species is that you have to have at least four identifiable species and I am unaware of four closely related hominid species existing at any one time.

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#83612 Mar 29, 2013
Oops, not thinking clearly yet this morning. Only three species are needed for ring species.

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#83613 Mar 29, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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Likewise, does evolution have the evidence in the sense that "I am using it" to support the origin of one species dividing into two or more species from generation one to the millionth generation?
Before I back up my claim, back up yours because I am holding you to this same standard and this means the biological species term is the only one you can refer to. SORRY, BI DON'T PLAY THAT DOUBLE STANDARD GAME!
Present your evidence using my standard and I will present mine.
It is clear that English is not your native tongue. Sometimes your posts are difficult to understand. But yes, there is tons of evidence for evolution. No honest scientist can or will deny it.

Do you know what evidence is? There is no scientific evidence that supports creation or whatever strange belief that you have.

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#83614 Mar 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
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OR- you need to read better... that has nothing to do with this mysterious transfer of information from the physical world to the genetic structure of the giraffe...
"mysterious transfer"?
hahahahahahah!
Is that what you call "science"?
Sounds more like the new developing "myth" to me.

So, again, I must ask ---why are there no humanoid species difference that can no longer interbreed??

Or is that another "mysterious" scientific process?
hahahahahah!

Hello?

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#83615 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>"mysterious transfer"?
hahahahahahah!
Is that what you call "science"?
Sounds more like the new developing "myth" to me.
So, again, I must ask ---why are there no humanoid species difference that can no longer interbreed??
Or is that another "mysterious" scientific process?
hahahahahah!
Hello?
As he said, you need to read better.

Massive fail, try again.

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#83616 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong, this is a fail on your part.
The theory of evolution does not say that creatures have to evolve. If they are well adapted to their environment there is little reason for them to evolve and evolution is slow. And as I said there were several hominids alive in the past but it is very difficult to know whether or not they can interbreed by simply looking at them.
For example we know that some of the great cats can interbreed and some can't. You can't really tell just by looking.
So were there hominid ring species in the past? Who knows? Right now we do not have enough information to say either way.
Exactly!
All you have to work with is [speculation]--yet you try to present it as fact...therein lies the cause of your fail.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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#83617 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Thinking it over there were probably never hominid ring species. One of the requirements for ring species is that you have to have at least four identifiable species and I am unaware of four closely related hominid species existing at any one time.
Dead end!

To think that you and every biological species that ever existed on this planet started as one biological species and over 4.5 billon years of generations is the result of all the biological species both dead and alive we know of today!!!!!!???? YOU ARE INSANE!

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#83618 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder's first fail was such a train wreck that I missed his second massive fail in his post.

Once again, the reason that there are no other hominids that can interbreed with man is that they went extinct. They all died off. They could not handle the pressure. Many animal species go extinct every year. Did you think that our relatives were immune to extinction?

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#83619 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Exactly!
All you have to work with is [speculation]--yet you try to present it as fact...therein lies the cause of your fail.
No fail master. We have tons of evidence that supports our claims.

There is no scientific evidence for creation.

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#83620 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
As he said, you need to read better.
Massive fail, try again.
Because "you" fail to prove your case is actuality, "I" fail?

You are a joke.

Provide me with an instance of the inability of the several lines of human existence that were separated for thousands of years to procreate, as this "circle species" of lower forms of life is supposed to relate to modern or even ancient humans...last you [FAIL]

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#83621 Mar 29, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
<quoted text>
Dead end!
To think that you and every biological species that ever existed on this planet started as one biological species and over 4.5 billon years of generations is the result of all the biological species both dead and alive we know of today!!!!!!???? YOU ARE INSANE!
I think that you meant to post that the belief that all species alive on Earth came from one initial species is insane.

It isn't. That is the only idea that has scientific evidence supporting it. What evidence do you have that I am wrong?

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#83622 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>"mysterious transfer"?
hahahahahahah!
Is that what you call "science"?
Sounds more like the new developing "myth" to me.
So, again, I must ask ---why are there no humanoid species difference that can no longer interbreed??
Or is that another "mysterious" scientific process?
hahahahahah!
Hello?
no, dear, you are not quite getting it..that is what xxxooxx said, not me. there is no transfer of info form the physical world to the giraffe.

do try to keep up...

Since: Mar 11

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#83623 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>"mysterious transfer"?
hahahahahahah!
Is that what you call "science"?
Sounds more like the new developing "myth" to me.
So, again, I must ask ---why are there no humanoid species difference that can no longer interbreed??
Or is that another "mysterious" scientific process?
hahahahahah!
Hello?
because they died off.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83624 Mar 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because "you" fail to prove your case is actuality, "I" fail?
You are a joke.
Provide me with an instance of the inability of the several lines of human existence that were separated for thousands of years to procreate, as this "circle species" of lower forms of life is supposed to relate to modern or even ancient humans...last you [FAIL]
You really don't know what you did wrong?

Reread the post you were responding to you clearly misunderstood it.

In fact you double fail.

You do not understand ring species and you did not understand woodtick's post.

Let's deal with ring species.

Some creatards try to define "kind" by the ability to breed. If a species is a "kind" they all should be able to breed with each other. This seems to be I.F's claim. Ring species shows that not to be the case.

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#83625 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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It is clear that English is not your native tongue. Sometimes your posts are difficult to understand. But yes, there is tons of evidence for evolution. No honest scientist can or will deny it.
Do you know what evidence is? There is no scientific evidence that supports creation or whatever strange belief that you have.
Difficult to understand because there is an equivocation problem with the term species and you fail to realize this.

English is my native tongue, it's just very difficult formulating what I am saying because I think outside of the box. Takes a lot of analyzing to try and point out how your method of reasoning is double standard.

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#83626 Mar 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
As he said, you need to read better.
Massive fail, try again.
Read what better?

Where is your "living" proof of the evolution of man from any origin?

Scientific proof requires the step by step testing and confirmed connection of any previous fossils or remains from the first to the last product of that human evolution.
Anything less is purely conjecture and hypothesis by any scientific standard of proof or discovery.
The failure to discover or validate any connecting "pieces" in any number only serves to make any hypothesis even weaker and more questionable.

So I ask for that proof, and my request for evidence and explanation regarding your conjecture is deemed a [FAIL]?

That is indeed, poor science...

Or you are a poor representative.

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