Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 217144 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#83527 Mar 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>How can there be flaws in a divinely inspired book?
There is none. The flaw is in your head.

The word of God is flawless unlike science millions of errors.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83528 Mar 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
There is none. The flaw is in your head.
The word of God is flawless unlike science millions of errors.
nope, not even close to true. the many, many flaws have been proven coutless times. they have been proven to you. your repeating the lie you just did is pretty immoral, don't you think?

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Level 3

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#83529 Mar 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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You're forgetting that "species" is an arbitrary concept. And in reality life DOES change over time. There is no genetic barrier preventing accumulative changes.
That's why so many fundies find YECism so attractive. Just one problem - it's a total denial of every single scientific field. In short, denial of reality itself.
Every species term except the biological species concept is arbitrary. You got it all wrong!

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Level 3

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#83530 Mar 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Except there's zero evidence of design. You have no designer, no mechanisms, and no scientific predictions on why we don't see other examples of common designs that do not fit with nested hierarchies.
Centaurs? Common design.
Pegasus? Common design.
Sphinx?
Pigs with compound eyes? Common design.
Why don't we see any of these? All are possible under common design.
What is the likelihood of finding a fossil with feathers and three middle-ear bones?
<quoted text>
Your terms are irrelevant.
<quoted text>
Of course you do. You have assumed design based on zero evidence.
You're delusinal by saying I have zero evidence. I did not assume design. The fixed biological species concepts is the evidence for the origin of species. It eliminates species giving birth to new species oover time thru natural processes. Now apply deductive logic to the ONLY two possible explanations for the origin of species. Hence, the name of this subject article (evolution vs creation) is the ONLY possible explanations to the origin of species. Once again, fixed biological species logically deducts/elliminates the descent of a new species originating from the same species which evoution proposes. The conclusion based on scientific evidence (fixed biological species term) and deductive reasoning is creation for the origin of species. I doubt you will understand this because you don't even have a sound definition for species.
Gillette

Packwood, IA

#83531 Mar 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
There is none. The flaw is in your head.
The word of God is flawless unlike science millions of errors.
Perhaps, then, you could explain why Mark and John have Jesus dying on a DIFFERENT DAY?

Seems like a flaw to me, if a contradiction is a flaw.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Level 3

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#83532 Mar 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Except there's zero evidence of design. You have no designer, no mechanisms, and no scientific predictions on why we don't see other examples of common designs that do not fit with nested hierarchies.
Centaurs? Common design.
Pegasus? Common design.
Sphinx?
Pigs with compound eyes? Common design.
Why don't we see any of these? All are possible under common design.
What is the likelihood of finding a fossil with feathers and three middle-ear bones?
<quoted text>
Your terms are irrelevant.
<quoted text>
Of course you do. You have assumed design based on zero evidence.
Correction: three possible explanations to the origin of species in accordance to the stratta/fossil and biological species.

1. creation.
2. biological species given rise to new species (evolution).
3. spontaneous generation to ALL known different biologica species found on earth today and in the strata/fossil record.

Only possible answers to the origin of species!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83533 Mar 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Why sure there is a atheist age rock dating rule.
A rock must be billions of years old.
No, a rock must be the age that it is. A false old date is of no more use than a false young date.

Unlike creatards evolutionary scientists are interested in the truth. You guys think it is fine to lie for Jesus.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83534 Mar 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
I see so you're telling me your warped understanding of the word is more correct then the real meaning of the original text.
"Speaking of which, why do you think that water rises Langy?"
Back at you, why is evaporation down 20% over the last 50 years world wide?
World wide temperature is up yet 20% less evaporation. What's up with that?
How is my understanding of anything warped? What do you mean by "the word"?

I know the answer to your question, first you have to answer mine.

Let's see if you have even a high school level of science education.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83535 Mar 28, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps, then, you could explain why Mark and John have Jesus dying on a DIFFERENT DAY?
Seems like a flaw to me, if a contradiction is a flaw.
I have not heard that one.

Did a Google search, very interesting.

Did you know that Jesus predicted the wrong amount of time that he would be dead?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83536 Mar 28, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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Correction: three possible explanations to the origin of species in accordance to the stratta/fossil and biological species.
1. creation.
2. biological species given rise to new species (evolution).
3. spontaneous generation to ALL known different biologica species found on earth today and in the strata/fossil record.
Only possible answers to the origin of species!
As to #1...did god keep creating species? cuz that's wha tthe fossil record shows, yet no creation myths say that is how it happened..

think youa can toss that one out right off the bat...

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Level 3

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#83537 Mar 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
This does not prevent life from changing over time. In fact that is precisely what we observe.
You are observing a fixed biological species with variation over time and that's it. The biolical species will ALWAYS remain the same. This fixed species concept follows the constant principle found in the laws of nature. You do know the laws of nature is fixed and universal don't you? Proposing an un-fixed concept violates these principles found in the laws of nature. Thought you should know this.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#83538 Mar 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>As to #1...did god keep creating species? cuz that's wha tthe fossil record shows, yet no creation myths say that is how it happened..
think youa can toss that one out right off the bat...
First of all, who said (how ever you are defining GOD) GOD creaed life on this planet? You're way over your head when it comes to creatioon. You need to understand what a species is before you start getting into ridiculing who created us because there is more then one answer and they have nothing to do with religon.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83539 Mar 28, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
<quoted text>
You are observing a fixed biological species with variation over time and that's it. The biolical species will ALWAYS remain the same. This fixed species concept follows the constant principle found in the laws of nature. You do know the laws of nature is fixed and universal don't you? Proposing an un-fixed concept violates these principles found in the laws of nature. Thought you should know this.
No, you are confusing clades with species. We have already observed evolution occur that violates your definition of species.

And no, no matter how many times you link it your definition is not the biological definition since that assumes that evolution is a fact.

I take it that you have never heard of ring species.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Level 3

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#83540 Mar 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>As to #1...did god keep creating species? cuz that's wha tthe fossil record shows, yet no creation myths say that is how it happened..
think youa can toss that one out right off the bat...
A list of 26 Species “Concepts”

>>>> http://scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts/2006...

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#83541 Mar 28, 2013
Anyone care to explain how a new species or mutant would reproduce and what are the chances of its survival?

"Mutant Sperm May Explain Mysterious Cases of Male Infertility"

http://www.livescience.com/15144-mutant-sperm...

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#83542 Mar 28, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all, who said (how ever you are defining GOD) GOD creaed life on this planet? You're way over your head when it comes to creatioon. You need to understand what a species is before you start getting into ridiculing who created us because there is more then one answer and they have nothing to do with religon.
exactly.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83543 Mar 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Anyone care to explain how a new species or mutant would reproduce and what are the chances of its survival?
"Mutant Sperm May Explain Mysterious Cases of Male Infertility"
http://www.livescience.com/15144-mutant-sperm...
Can you be a bit more specific in your question?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#83544 Mar 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you be a bit more specific in your question?
Well according to your previous posts on this thread, there are evidence for evolution that have been tested repeatedly, so what happens when a mutant species reproduce?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83545 Mar 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Well according to your previous posts on this thread, there are evidence for evolution that have been tested repeatedly, so what happens when a mutant species reproduce?
That is just an incredibly stupid question.

Species evolve. All species are "mutant".

So do you care to ask a real question or are you just trolling?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#83546 Mar 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
That is just an incredibly stupid question.
Species evolve. All species are "mutant".
So do you care to ask a real question or are you just trolling?
I see you have no intelligent response. If we are all mutants, then define 'species'

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