Evolution vs. Creation

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Since: Jun 12

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#83368 Mar 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Research Raises Doubts About Whether Modern Humans and Neanderthals Interbred
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/...
"The findings of a study by researchers at the University of Cambridge..."

Of course these where just "fancy researchers" at a "fancy University"...case dismissed...lol

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83369 Mar 27, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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That is true but they are still the same biological reproductive species and they still remain the same biological species. The laws of nature are fixed and never changes and it is this law that governs biological reproductive species which are fixed.
You have not mentioned what these laws of nature are or how species are fixed.

You may be confusing species with clade.

Since: Jun 12

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#83370 Mar 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Um, no, it's still called creationism, and it is based on denying a lot of evidence ... like the entire fossil record.
So you found some old bones...the rest is mere speculation and conjecture...case dismissed.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83371 Mar 27, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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The fixed species concept is not a religous one when it comes to the origin of species. Second, just because the fixed species concept demands a creator(s) does not mean it's automatically religious. The fixed species concept is based on evidence (biological species term) not un-testable faith.
Actually it sorta does.

And you have yet to say what this supposed evidence is.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true

#83372 Mar 27, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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Your facts is based on contradictory un-observed data when when it comes to the biological reproductive species term. This is the only species term I accept in biology. A biological reproductive species is only able to reproduce fertile off-spring of the same species and this reproductive process is fixed which prevents the rise of a new biological species.
My facts are based on reproducible and well attested science. I don't give a crap whether you believe or accept it.

The fact that we all (mostly) carry a small percentage of Neanderthal genes/blood is observable in the lab makes your argument superfluous.

Also there is this thing in the laws of most countries called circumstantial evidence. Its been used to put many people in prisons.

You are using a very old and useless creationist meme.'How do you know, were you there'??

We weren't there, but we know Adam and Eve as written in the Bible never existed.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#83373 Mar 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Really?
What is the evidence for fixed species?


A biological species is able to reproduce fertile off spring. It is this species term alone that proves ALL species is fixed because inter species breeding does not produce fertile off-spring. This concludes that biological species are fixed.
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Are you saying that offspring will have exactly the same DNA as its parents?
The off-spring would be a variation of the parents. This is called a constant variable within a bioogical reproductive species.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true

#83374 Mar 28, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Research Raises Doubts About Whether Modern Humans and Neanderthals Interbred
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/...
Reading the piece I couldn't help but think; that still works to the advantage of us atheists.

It HAS been thought for quite awhile now that we Homo-sapiens and Homo-neanderthalensis came from the same ancestor. It is thought, but not proven yet, that Homo-heidelbergensis was that common ancestor. Go to Wikipedia and look for drawings of that ancestor.

Go to MIT site for more info:
Sankararaman and co say that by this measure, humans and Neanderthals must have shared their genes between 47,000 and 65,000 years ago, well after the exodus from Africa.

So, again we are tied into prior Homo species and we ARE in the line of great apes.

Thatís good evidence for the first theory that humans and Neanderthals enjoyed one almighty love-in about 50,000 years ago in Europe, although the real story is probably one of rape and pillage rather than of peace and love.

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428880/g...

Don't you just love science??

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83375 Mar 28, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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A biological species is able to reproduce fertile off spring. It is this species term alone that proves ALL species is fixed because inter species breeding does not produce fertile off-spring. This concludes that biological species are fixed.
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The off-spring would be a variation of the parents. This is called a constant variable within a bioogical reproductive species.
What!?

No.

You, sir or madam, are an idiot.

I asked for evidence, not nonsense.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Level 3

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#83376 Mar 28, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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My facts are based on reproducible and well attested science. I don't give a crap whether you believe or accept it.
The fact that we all (mostly) carry a small percentage of Neanderthal genes/blood is observable in the lab makes your argument superfluous.
Also there is this thing in the laws of most countries called circumstantial evidence. Its been used to put many people in prisons.
You are using a very old and useless creationist meme.'How do you know, were you there'??
We weren't there, but we know Adam and Eve as written in the Bible never existed.
Biological reproductive species is an observed phenomena in nature on how a species is created at birth. Your other man made species terms does not show how a species is created at birth in nature. Its just a concept made up by a man.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Level 3

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#83377 Mar 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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What!?
No.
You, sir or madam, are an idiot.
I asked for evidence, not nonsense.
You don't have to accept the evidence but it is there.
Krypteia

Brighton, UK

#83378 Mar 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Krypteria, as MikeF suggested above,**IF** you are truely interested in being educated (hopefully in scientific fact), stick around.
It can be educational and informative.
Thanks for your post,but no thanks think I've read enough on here to understand zealots are everywhere..

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#83379 Mar 28, 2013
Krypteia wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for your post,but no thanks think I've read enough on here to understand zealots are everywhere..
The "zeal" that compells me to participate here is my fervent desire that science in public schools remain free of religious mythology.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#83380 Mar 28, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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That is true but they are still the same biological reproductive species and they still remain the same biological species. The laws of nature are fixed and never changes and it is this law that governs biological reproductive species which are fixed.
So you are saying there is some magical barrier that prevents these very small changes from accumulating ... that's magic, not science.
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#83381 Mar 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So you are saying there is some magical barrier that prevents these very small changes from accumulating ... that's magic, not science.
Are you still claiming that all humans at one time spoke the same language? That's not critical thinking ... that's just stupid

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#83382 Mar 28, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
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Are you still claiming that all humans at one time spoke the same language? That's not critical thinking ... that's just stupid
I did not mention language in the post you are responding to, did you even read it?

But yes, even in most mythology there was once a single world wide language ... because humans didn't always cover the globe. Like organisms and DNA, language evolves in much the same way.
Mark

United States

#83383 Mar 28, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Ah! The RATE bullshit. I knew that was going to come up sooner or later. It's deja vu all over again.
A very sharp team was on that committee. Look into it. Evo's will never publish multiple dating systems in their lit., it gets too complicated for them to also explain the lack of concordant dating results, in addition to their theme. We are supposed to blindly accept the data which is often +/- mils/Y because we are suppose to trust peer review. The fox watching the hen-house issue. I am not saying they purposely lie, its dogma.
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#83384 Mar 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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I did not mention language in the post you are responding to, did you even read it?
But yes, even in most mythology there was once a single world wide language ... because humans didn't always cover the globe. Like organisms and DNA, language evolves in much the same way.
So again your premise is that primal man in Africa spoke the same language as primal man in China.

Funny that you use mythology as a support for your position but reject the bible. Can you say hypocrite!
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#83385 Mar 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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I did not mention language in the post you are responding to, did you even read it?
But yes, even in most mythology there was once a single world wide language ... because humans didn't always cover the globe. Like organisms and DNA, language evolves in much the same way.
Just in case you forgot your own words:

Kitchen Klutter #82944
Tuesday

If I we you I would attempt to forget the blather that you spew as well.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#83386 Mar 28, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
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So again your premise is that primal man in Africa spoke the same language as primal man in China.
Funny that you use mythology as a support for your position but reject the bible. Can you say hypocrite!
Actually, I just pointed out that sometimes mythology can be a hazy mirror to ancient history. If getting some small things correct made the myths true, then Spiderman would be real as well.

What do you mean "primal in Africa" and "primal in China?" Humans started in Africa, all humans did, the first language was likely some primitive vocalizations and gestures with very few "words" and almost no structure at all, but it was still a language. Other apes also have languages, very primitive that never mature without being introduced to human languages, but they do have languages. Even cats have languages, birds, reptiles, they all have very primitive languages.

Sheesh, it's like trying to teach a first year student the entire works of Shakespear before they can even read.
Mark

United States

#83387 Mar 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>No, none of that demands a designer.
if you had really gone to university, you would know that kind of reasoning and research would get you and automatic "F".
try something above third grade level thinking...
Hey, I got A's and my 2 geo profs converted to catastrophism, one wanted to offered me time as a guest speaker. Don't you wish!

On another subject, do you know where Hungry Jack lake is?? Had a great walleye trip there, boy do I remember that feed! Never had a better fresh water fish meal.

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