Evolution vs. Creation

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Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#82869 Mar 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Now I can't tell if you're preaching or coming out.
Oh man, Patriot seems like the kind of self-loathing, repressed homosexual who would just LOVE to be able to scream it out for all creation to hear, "I'M GAAAAAYYYYY!!!!"
Mr Smartypants

Watseka, IL

#82870 Mar 25, 2013
Willie Mays Hayes wrote:
I believe in Old Earth Creation. The bible never says how old the earth is, only that God created it.
You may be what's known as a "Theistic Evolutionist". Those are the people who believe that the Earth is very old, that evolution happened, but that God was ultimately the driving force.

I'm agnostic myself, but I do think that Theistic Evolution is a reasonable viewpoint. Science can explain the 'how' of evolution, but not the 'why'--science only deals with naturalism and stays out of metaphysics. Some evolutionists think that the universe evolved on its own, and some think that a god made it happen--and it's really hard to find conclusive empirical evidence to support either side.

The only thing I find bizarre is the idea of Young-Earth Creationism because that goes against a ton of evidence that the universe is a lot older than 6,000 years...
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#82871 Mar 25, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>The apostle Paul was the equivilent of one with multiple PHDs of the law, he was no dummy, he wrote half or so of the New Testament(through inspiration)No doubt all of us on this thread could have learned A LOT from him
Actually, he wrote a bunch of letters to his friends around the region.

I think if we brought him back to life today and told him what has happened to those letters and that they are considered the "inerrant Word of God" by a certain segment of the population, Paul would probably bust a gut laughing so hard.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#82872 Mar 25, 2013
Mr Smartypants wrote:
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You may be what's known as a "Theistic Evolutionist". Those are the people who believe that the Earth is very old, that evolution happened, but that God was ultimately the driving force.
I'm agnostic myself, but I do think that Theistic Evolution is a reasonable viewpoint. Science can explain the 'how' of evolution, but not the 'why'--science only deals with naturalism and stays out of metaphysics. Some evolutionists think that the universe evolved on its own, and some think that a god made it happen--and it's really hard to find conclusive empirical evidence to support either side.
The only thing I find bizarre is the idea of Young-Earth Creationism because that goes against a ton of evidence that the universe is a lot older than 6,000 years...
The way I look at it is this:

Theistic Evolution is a combined philosophical/scientific position.

The SCIENCE part would be "Evolution is a demonstrated reality supported by multiple sciences."

The PHILOSOPHY (or religion) part would be "God created all this and has chosen to work through the process of evolution."
Elohim

Branford, CT

#82873 Mar 25, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>But wild guesses by man is most welcome, right?
That all creationists have.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#82874 Mar 25, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>I have never seen in scripture where one is told to hold slaves. Show me where it says for us to own them...
You've never read the bible. You only know what Pastor Billy Bob cherry picks

“Don't steal home without it. ”

Level 1

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#82875 Mar 25, 2013
Mr Smartypants wrote:
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You may be what's known as a "Theistic Evolutionist". Those are the people who believe that the Earth is very old, that evolution happened, but that God was ultimately the driving force.
I'm agnostic myself, but I do think that Theistic Evolution is a reasonable viewpoint. Science can explain the 'how' of evolution, but not the 'why'--science only deals with naturalism and stays out of metaphysics. Some evolutionists think that the universe evolved on its own, and some think that a god made it happen--and it's really hard to find conclusive empirical evidence to support either side.
The only thing I find bizarre is the idea of Young-Earth Creationism because that goes against a ton of evidence that the universe is a lot older than 6,000 years...
There's a difference between Theistic Evolution and Old Earth Creation. I will quote Mr. Ross here: "Old Earth Creationism is an umbrella term used to describe biblical creationists who deny that the universe was created within the last 6,000 to 10,000 years over the course of six consecutive 24-hour days. Rather, Old Earth Creationists believe that God created the universe and its inhabitants (including a literal Adam and Eve) over a much longer period of time than is allowed for by Young Earth Creationists."
Patriot

Antioch, TN

#82876 Mar 25, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Oh man, Patriot seems like the kind of self-loathing, repressed homosexual who would just LOVE to be able to scream it out for all creation to hear, "I'M GAAAAAYYYYY!!!!"
You would not need to even whisper it aloud. Everyone alreadys knows you walk lightly in your loafers.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#82877 Mar 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Oops!
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Actually no, you do. I just explained why to CBOW. Fundies think slavery is the neatest thing in the world EVAR.
It was believers in creation who began the campaign against slavery in America.

" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism&quo... ;

I don't see atheists' objections recorded there. They must have wanted to keep a low profile.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#82878 Mar 25, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Oh man, Patriot seems like the kind of self-loathing, repressed homosexual who would just LOVE to be able to scream it out for all creation to hear, "I'M GAAAAAYYYYY!!!!"
If wishes were asses you would be orgasmic. Keep wishing, gwad.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#82879 Mar 25, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>I am not preaching just showing the facts to refute these so called man made theories, that are just guesses
No, you're preaching and have no idea what a scientific theory is.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#82880 Mar 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Yes. Your god has limits.
He can not lie, if this is what you mean. Our Creator has all power in heaven and earth and a miracle of God can happen at once and by all accounts, it would appear to have taken a lot of time and natural process.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#82881 Mar 25, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>You would not need to even whisper it aloud. Everyone alreadys knows you walk lightly in your loafers.
What would your mythical god say about you judging others and making false accusations?

are you so upset for being shown your god myth is a lie that you have to lash out at others? the rational thing to do would be to re-evaluate your cult membership and beliefs...

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#82882 Mar 25, 2013
Willie Mays Hayes wrote:
I believe in Old Earth Creation. The bible never says how old the earth is, only that God created it.
and he didn't even get his own creation story correct...

your cult lied to you...again...

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#82883 Mar 25, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>He can not lie, if this is what you mean. Our Creator has all power in heaven and earth and a miracle of God can happen at once and by all accounts, it would appear to have taken a lot of time and natural process.
he lied when he said it is OK to own slaves, didn't he? or do you believe it IS OK to own slaves?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#82884 Mar 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Plenty of average humans out there. And plenty of them believe in complete BS like psychic powers, fortune tellers, astrology, UFO's, Planet X, End of the world prophecies, conspiracy theories, homeopathic medicine, and creationism.
Sorry, but the average human does NOT always reject belief in matters just because there is no evidence. If they HAD evidence they would not need belief.
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Existence, therefore God. Fantastic argument from incredulity ya got there.
Yah.

"Shovel, therefore chocolate."

Seems legit.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#82885 Mar 25, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>The apostle Paul was the equivilent of one with multiple PHDs of the law, he was no dummy, he wrote half or so of the New Testament(through inspiration)No doubt all of us on this thread could have learned A LOT from him
He certainly contradicted just about everything attributed to your Nazarene.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#82887 Mar 25, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Yah.
"Shovel, therefore chocolate."
Seems legit.
We exist, therfore the Great Turtle exists...

it's turtles all the way down...seems legit.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#82888 Mar 25, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>he lied when he said it is OK to own slaves, didn't he? or do you believe it IS OK to own slaves?
ALL men can be liars, but God can not lie. Moses wasn't perfect either. Jesus was perfect and he came to set men free from bondage.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#82889 Mar 25, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>ALL men can be liars, but God can not lie. Moses wasn't perfect either. Jesus was perfect and he came to set men free from bondage.
Ao again, how can your god say slavery is OK? is that not a lie?

why can't you just answer this simple question about your cult?

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