Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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There 's really no hinting about it...your obvious the hypocrites.lol
... and there you go, projecting because you were exposed as a dishonest, lying, hypocrite. Backed into a corner, well, your kind are too predictable now.

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I do not denounce scientific evidence...I question it...which is true science. You take it on authoritative faith, which is a bias to the very objectivity which you claim.
No, you denounced it.
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<quoted text>this is what the evidence points to.
if you had any evidence of any other theory, you would have produced it by now.
I will let Him speak for Himself;

"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse".

Design speaks of a designer, when I look at a helicopter, I see function and beauty. But I know how hard that engineering group and chief pilot worked to create the machine I have, how many years they spent perfecting and redesigning to make is functional and safe, and the later models that came along to build a great company. The end result always brings good thoughts to me about them.

Thats the way I see God in creation. In Alaska, I toiled and strained against the hash elements and the toll it takes on people at times, it was all fate, human effort and physics to me.
When I learned that this was only an image of the "very good" earth that was in the beginning, I got it. We live in a post-flood world that was destroyed as a result of a society that had lost all morals and God reset the earth into it's final stage. The evidence is everywhere, when I changed my paradigm it all fit.

God is a good and just guy,- people are the problem.

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<quoted text>the fact that you believed it at all shows you are really not up for this level of discussion.
what other things have you posted that you were told but are obvious falsehoods? the grand canyon story for one...
why should anyone listen to anything you say at all?
I knew that was coming! Sorry, I am only human. Thats why I need Christ, to make up for my failures on that "Day". He paid it all!

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I will let Him speak for Himself;
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse".
Design speaks of a designer, when I look at a helicopter, I see function and beauty. But I know how hard that engineering group and chief pilot worked to create the machine I have, how many years they spent perfecting and redesigning to make is functional and safe, and the later models that came along to build a great company. The end result always brings good thoughts to me about them.
Thats the way I see God in creation. In Alaska, I toiled and strained against the hash elements and the toll it takes on people at times, it was all fate, human effort and physics to me.
When I learned that this was only an image of the "very good" earth that was in the beginning, I got it. We live in a post-flood world that was destroyed as a result of a society that had lost all morals and God reset the earth into it's final stage. The evidence is everywhere, when I changed my paradigm it all fit.
God is a good and just guy,- people are the problem.
M
No, you let some human speak for a god, not very bright, are you?
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No, you let some human speak for a god, not very bright, are you?
Actually Jesus authorized this guy to say this. I wouldn't argue with a guy that could empty hospitals like Paul could to get folks attn.. He was directly ordained by God to speak and write to the non-Jews. Only one with authorizaion from God can heal like that.

This God is the one who is so crazy in love with us that he gave up the God-son to death to prove it. He made us so wonderful that when he got done he through away the mold! We are not star stuff in a mindless eternity, time is finite and has boundries - event horizons, a start and finish. We are all special and have a God given will to choose, He allowed us that freedom to show him so.
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No, you let some human speak for a god, not very bright, are you?
And your right, I am not that bright, but I know my God watches over me!

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I knew that was coming! Sorry, I am only human. Thats why I need Christ, to make up for my failures on that "Day". He paid it all!
some education, reason and rationality would serve you better.

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I will let Him speak for Himself;
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse".
Design speaks of a designer, when I look at a helicopter, I see function and beauty. But I know how hard that engineering group and chief pilot worked to create the machine I have, how many years they spent perfecting and redesigning to make is functional and safe, and the later models that came along to build a great company. The end result always brings good thoughts to me about them.
Thats the way I see God in creation. In Alaska, I toiled and strained against the hash elements and the toll it takes on people at times, it was all fate, human effort and physics to me.
When I learned that this was only an image of the "very good" earth that was in the beginning, I got it. We live in a post-flood world that was destroyed as a result of a society that had lost all morals and God reset the earth into it's final stage. The evidence is everywhere, when I changed my paradigm it all fit.
God is a good and just guy,- people are the problem.
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thought you weren't going to thump your bible?

guess the lying never stopped, huh?

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And your right, I am not that bright, but I know my God watches over me!
the god of the bible your cult believes in has been proven to be a lie.

your cult lied to you.

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And your right, I am not that bright, but I know my God watches over me!
So you believe this god created you, yet you would disgrace your creator by just buying whatever snake oil some human offers you and then lie down and give up. No, you are not very bright.

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Mark wrote:
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I will let Him speak for Himself;
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse".
Design speaks of a designer, when I look at a helicopter, I see function and beauty. But I know how hard that engineering group and chief pilot worked to create the machine I have, how many years they spent perfecting and redesigning to make is functional and safe, and the later models that came along to build a great company. The end result always brings good thoughts to me about them.
Thats the way I see God in creation. In Alaska, I toiled and strained against the hash elements and the toll it takes on people at times, it was all fate, human effort and physics to me.
When I learned that this was only an image of the "very good" earth that was in the beginning, I got it. We live in a post-flood world that was destroyed as a result of a society that had lost all morals and God reset the earth into it's final stage. The evidence is everywhere, when I changed my paradigm it all fit.
God is a good and just guy,- people are the problem.
M
The Watchmaker argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analo...

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Actually Jesus authorized this guy to say this. I wouldn't argue with a guy that could empty hospitals like Paul could to get folks attn.. He was directly ordained by God to speak and write to the non-Jews. Only one with authorizaion from God can heal like that.
This God is the one who is so crazy in love with us that he gave up the God-son to death to prove it. He made us so wonderful that when he got done he through away the mold! We are not star stuff in a mindless eternity, time is finite and has boundries - event horizons, a start and finish. We are all special and have a God given will to choose, He allowed us that freedom to show him so.
Paul?

As in Saul the apostle hunter?

The usurper of Peter "The Rock!" foundation for the Christian Church dogma?
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<quoted text>thought you weren't going to thump your bible?
guess the lying never stopped, huh?
The person asked the "how do you know that a God did it" question,

I didn't want to paraphase for God.

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The person asked the "how do you know that a God did it" question,
I didn't want to paraphase for God.
Aren't you doing that when you quote passages from the Bible to support your argument?
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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>some education, reason and rationality would serve you better.
LOL... my children, employees and wife say the same so you will have to do better than that! God has me in the university of life every day and is just as frustrated, so no worries.

Seems most of the dialog on this site has to do with baiting and trapping then counter searching the web. I hear little about personal experiance, just personal bias. Prob with that tactic and me is I have actually done this stuff or worked with it, have faced off with some real big boy's and came out fine, so I just confidently type away.(Except I havn't been to the center of the Universe, obviously).

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Nope, that's merely argument from incredulity. You don't know how the universe came to be therefore an invisible magic man made it.
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Not really, quantum fluctuations are scientifically observed. Radiometric decay is scientifically observed.
Your invisible magic man also violates the same cause and effect "rule". Which potentially might not necessarily be a problem.
The only problem is that it's not scientifically observed.
Apropos chemistry and time underlying the universe and GDIWM:

5331. pharmakeia far-mak-i'-ah from 5332; medication ("pharmacy"), i.e.(by extension) magic (literally or figuratively):--sorcery, witchcraft.
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So you believe this god created you, yet you would disgrace your creator by just buying whatever snake oil some human offers you and then lie down and give up. No, you are not very bright.
Back then I thought myself very scientific, now the older I get the less I know. I know exactly what you are getting at, I for sure didn't want to follow a concoction once something spoke to me and saved my behind. My second prayer,(the first being "If there is a God I need your help now") was, OK, I got the message, please direct me to the no-snake-oil guy. I gotta alot of questions about evo. answered. It all worked out. Am allowed here to tell you this story. Why do you beleive in evo, whats your real hang your life on it evidence?
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Aren't you doing that when you quote passages from the Bible to support your argument?
My previous 30+ posts did not quote passages. Most of this fine group know's that. His words are His so when this comes down to what I beleive some day it will, the "no excuse" will be exactly that, not my words.

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Back then I thought myself very scientific, now the older I get the less I know. I know exactly what you are getting at, I for sure didn't want to follow a concoction once something spoke to me and saved my behind. My second prayer,(the first being "If there is a God I need your help now") was, OK, I got the message, please direct me to the no-snake-oil guy. I gotta alot of questions about evo. answered. It all worked out. Am allowed here to tell you this story. Why do you beleive in evo, whats your real hang your life on it evidence?
Okay, so you want personal stories? Medical sciences, yes they do depend on the theory of evolution, has saved my life, several times. There, a personal story, it's meaningless, as meaningless as yours is because it does not demonstrate anything.

I don't "believe" in anything, nothing at all, I test everything about the world around me, I have always done that. dissected a frog when I was 7 years old, just to know what I could learn. Built a computer from nothing but transistors when I was about 10 or 11, just so I could know how they worked. My father had to look like he was punishing my brother and I for a fight, but he knew I was in the right so ... he had us disassemble, clean, and reassemble a car engine, and I loved it, my brother hated it, oh the sweet justice that was. The theory of evolution has presented terrabytes of evidence, I have begun to only analyze part of it, and it all holds water, it's solid. No religious claim ever, not ever in my entire life, has ever been presented with evidence, none. When asked for the actual evidence all you get are anecdotes and non-sequitors, no evidence, and certainly nothing verifiable. What you need to do is ask yourself, why would you buy the first explanation without ever learning about the others? That's what religion is, it's the "go to" explanation, it offers no answers, no benefits, and nothing to learn, it's a place holder. Like the boogeyman, tooth fairy, and Santa Claus, placeholders should be discarded when one becomes an adult.

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