Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Mar 17, 2013
 
The Dude wrote:
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How come it's always you guys who have to lie?
It's ironick isn't it?
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Mar 17, 2013
 
xxxooxxx wrote:
Isaiah 40:22
"It is he who sits above the circle of the earth..."
Circles are flat. Earth isn't flat.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm

Yes I know. The Bible is "literally" true.

Except when it isn't.
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Mar 17, 2013
 
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If the earth is not the center of the Universe,then where is the center of the Universe?
what constellation does it lie in?
please point it out for me.
The question does not make sense. All points in space are expanding in all directions simultaneously. There is no more single valid "center" of the universe than any other.
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Mar 17, 2013
 
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"Sagittarius is a constellation of the zodiac, the one containing the galactic center."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_%28c...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_center
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Mar 17, 2013
 

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wrong again..."everywhere" does not define a center.
Bingo.

There isn't one.
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Mar 17, 2013
 
Mark wrote:
I have been on a few trips to the canyon and put my hands on the rocks, have you? Done a little science work too. Hiked the pre-cam zone where you have water borne layers with no fossils (the pre-flood earth that Adam walked)
Adam didn't exist. Unless there was already a large population of humans around at the time.
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and then the "great unconformity" slicing them off and 1000ft+ of of fossil layden horizontally and water deposited Tapeat's sandstone. Then several thousand feet more fossilized layers on up. The base of which is sawed off fractured and upturned granite blocks, it says "the fountains of the great deep burst forth", these original crustal granites are fractured and broken in massive blocks, some turned 90 deg (a fast formed mtn range) that was subsequently and catastrophically eroded off. The perfectly plainier contact zone of the 12+ layers in the canyon are simply water current sorted shales and sandstones and while still unlithified were rapidly eroded out when the post flood dam near Page AZ burst out, all perfectly and logically explained from a flood model. The shores of this emptied lake tell of a lake larger than all teh great lakes combined. The evos tell us the layers were caused by 12 different oceans while the earth's crust played pogo stick for eons. Prob is there is no uniform erosion evidence anywhere between these "oceans". If you have mill of years between these uplifts and recoverings where is the evidence of a uniform eroded surface? There should be trees and ranges and valleys happening in all this time they need but its all perfectly flat mineral! You cant get a piece of paper between the layers!
But you claim you can get intact fossils in them.(shrug)
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This was all explained in a big way geologically in your home state @ St. Helens. The worlds geologic community had the watch the drama unfold and tear out chapter after chapter of dogma, if they wanted to be honest. Dredges clearing out deposits found Canyon image plainier deposits in these cuts and also a lake/canyon creation and breakout that occured a year after the eruption put the rest together. This did much to explain Grand Canyon formation theory, if you want to face the facts. Makes alot of sense. Turns out you can replicate layer sorting in a lab and create plainier contact layers due to water sorting of the specific gravity of each type of mineral.
Then explain why there's no modern leatherback turtles at the bottom layers of geological strata.

There's also an interesting little bit about the Grand Canyon at 9 minutes in here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Although the whole thing is worth a watch for insight into the creationist mindset if one has the time.
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Oh well, eons not required nor do they explain a thing, that's the "Lie". So the bottom line is you can walk around the Canyon with your Bible open and see the same story in the rocks. I have found this to be true everywhere, that's the truth.
Except evidence is irrelevant to Goddidit with magic. So that means you ARE lying by claiming evidence supports it. Because NO universal configuration is impossible for an immortal all-powerful entity that creates universes as a hobby in its spare time.

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Mar 17, 2013
 
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Mocking God? Nay, you misunderstand. Now mocking YOUR PARTICULAR OPINION of what you think God is, that's something COMPLETELY different.
no, he was right...i openly mock the created god of abraham. they did such a poor job of creating him it is worth mocking. the people who believe in such a badly created myth deserve to be mocked also....openly.

perpetuating such cults through your belief and support is defintely mockable....should be a civic duty to mock such things.
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Mar 17, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Circles are flat. Earth isn't flat.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm

Yes I know. The Bible is "literally" true.

Except when it isn't.
You have a lot to learn. How would a sphere be represented in two dimensions? A circle. Do you know the current number of dimensions the scientific mainstream community accepts?
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Mar 17, 2013
 
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You are clueless,
Please tell me what unit of measure is used to detect darkness?
Gravity.

You back again? You're as clueless as you were last time.

Which was very.
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Mar 17, 2013
 
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Appealing to authorities (without citation) who disagree with you is two logical fallacies in one and also dishonest.
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Geological models accept catastrophic events as a natural part of history, that's not a problem. I can also give you a real geologist who converted from YECism due to the evidence:
http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/geologic...
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Except it isn't. Because you're calling it all "flood" rocks. Yet we DO see fossils in order. We DON'T see velociraptors in upper geological column. We DON'T see pre-Cambrian rabbits. We DO see flood rocks. And we see marine rock. And we see desert rock. And we see grass plains. And we see sedimentary rock. A lot of which is just in the grand canyon. NOT formed by a "global flood" which has zero mechanisms, zero evidence and has the unfortunate consequence of wiping out all life on Earth in numerous different ways, Noah included.
Unless you can provide me with scientific evidence that the Ark had a nuclear fusion propulsion system.
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No, the rocks don't lie. But creationists lie all the time. And even admit it on their own websites.
Bub, you are claiming that ALL fields of science are wrong because evidence points to GODDIDIT WITH MAGIC. If that's not dishonest then I don't know what is.
I love those pics that show a petrified tree vertically transecting millions of years of evo strata. They tried that at Yellowstone and then had to change the signs. Not all fields of science are effected, where this has gone wrong is the integration of operational sceince and origin science into a 'cult science' that needs no creator and has it's own group of high preists controlling the data, claiming to have all the answers. The Bible calls it "science falsely so called". Why do you think they have spread the word not to debate anymore? Because of the stuff I write about. It works. The Bible teaches that the world was made out of water with water. With H2O you can make the entire atomic chart, you just need to spin it fast enough. The word "light" in scripture actually means the entire spectrum of energy up to light, so there's your power to spin it and construct elements. After that its intelligence - ID, "and God was hovering over the water's", He was there. It's a beautiful picture of a beautiful creation. Our world now is only an image of what was, hence the poles, deserts and wastelands that don't look to lovely, and the massive graveyards of dead things killed in a catastrophy that wasnt so pretty. It won't stay this way forever, God says he is going to show us His stuff again.

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Mar 17, 2013
 
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So why did you bring it up when you were talking about 520MY old geological strata yesterday?
And you're sure the formula is accurate in dating fossils? link please
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Mar 17, 2013
 
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Bingo.
There isn't one.
I saw a pic from Hubble of it, It has a cross in the center of the star, a rugged cross. no joke

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Mar 17, 2013
 
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Bingo.
There isn't one.
She once again shows her limited thinking. if only she would 'open up her mind to new concepts'...
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Mar 17, 2013
 
Mark wrote:
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Didn't have any "fundie" profs, sorry. Have you ever noticed why the evo's "say" rocks are dated via the geologic column and not from radiometric data? Thats because they would have to turn the canyon upside down for one model and rightside up for the other. Actually I publically debated that issue with a university dept. head, he blew up and later had to write me an apology as directed by the Uni president, also a geologist.
You do certainly have a lot of anecdotes.
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Arts aurguement in the letter was "well, everyone believes it's this way". Fact is the fossil evidence simply points to a catastrophic watery disaster. Sure, ocean floor sea life was buried in first, worms, trilobites with their complex eyes then we see alot of nautilus there, discovered by Steve Austin, that has attracted alot of attn, further blowing up the the uniform theory.
Tell us how trilobites have more mass than mammoths? You're not really explaining this "gravitational sorting" very well.
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How do you trap millions of them in a sediment laden watery enviro, all about the same age and driven by current in the same direction in a "tranquil" ocean? Entire sections of the column are missing in the canyon which should be their holy grail model. How did a trilobite evolve to a nautilus in one layer? No one has lied to me, they have lied to us! Where are the transitions? Patterson at the British Museum admitted to me that no one he new has seen living transitionals in the field, which I confirmed to him in my 25 years running around Alaska. He told me, Mark, "bless you on your quest for truth". He once asked a large group if anyone knew one thing that was true of eveolution theory, it got very quiet and one subject responded, "well, I know that it shouldn't be taught in high school"!
http://www.trilobites.info/origins.htm

Didn't you also say that the pre-Cambrian has "no fossils" because there was "no death"? Setting aside for the moment the pomegranate that Adam and Eve ate must have died.

Not sure how the whole no death thing fits in with the second law of thermodynamics either, but...

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Mark wrote:
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I love those pics that show a petrified tree vertically transecting millions of years of evo strata. They tried that at Yellowstone and then had to change the signs. Not all fields of science are effected, where this has gone wrong is the integration of operational sceince and origin science into a 'cult science' that needs no creator and has it's own group of high preists controlling the data, claiming to have all the answers. The Bible calls it "science falsely so called". Why do you think they have spread the word not to debate anymore? Because of the stuff I write about. It works. The Bible teaches that the world was made out of water with water. With H2O you can make the entire atomic chart, you just need to spin it fast enough. The word "light" in scripture actually means the entire spectrum of energy up to light, so there's your power to spin it and construct elements. After that its intelligence - ID, "and God was hovering over the water's", He was there. It's a beautiful picture of a beautiful creation. Our world now is only an image of what was, hence the poles, deserts and wastelands that don't look to lovely, and the massive graveyards of dead things killed in a catastrophy that wasnt so pretty. It won't stay this way forever, God says he is going to show us His stuff again.
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you are really out of it, Mark.

all this crap you post is already proven to be bullshit. why do you think intelligent people would actually believe it for a second? you are basically openly lying to us and then you ask for credulity...ain't gonna happen fom that kind of crap.
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Mar 17, 2013
 
d-pants7 wrote:
<quoted text> real morals are instinctive and your other ones will quickly go out the window if it came down to survival.
You have no real morals. It all comes from fear of eternal torment or desire for eternal paradise. And if God commands genocide you will do it happily for you think it righteous. You are incapable of genuine altruism.

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evidence that the Ark had a
DNA bank?
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Mar 17, 2013
 
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Actually you avoided it yesterday. We pointed out that dark matter has been detected and you said it's wrong cuz Goddidit with magic. In the meantime you were unable to provide an alternative explanation.
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Then how come male leatherback turtles aren't at the bottom?
What I suggested is that the universe is still unraveling from the creation event and there's no need for dark matter, the evo's need to hold it all together for long ages, we don't. I am not God, he says he created it, it looks pretty and works great!

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Mar 17, 2013
 
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I saw a pic from Hubble of it, It has a cross in the center of the star, a rugged cross. no joke
yes, major joke. you are a joke.

you are a joke of a liar. not even a good one, just a joke of one...

every picture from HST is catalogued. which picture shows the center of the universe?

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