Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216619 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#81420 Mar 17, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>What is rather hilarious is that the disciples may have jumped the gun if they were the ones that raided the tomb.

Jesus predicted that he would be dead and buried 3 days and 3 nights. At best he was dead and in the tomb half of that time 2 nights and one day. At best he died late Friday afternoon according to the Bible. He was dead late Friday afternoon and put in the tomb just before sundown Friday night. Then we have Friday night through Saturday morning,one night, all of Saturday day, one day, and then Saturday night through Sunday morning when he was gone either just before sunrise or just after it depending upon which gospel you read. So that is another night. Two nights one day, all of roughly 12 hour periods. That is half of the three days and three nights of Jesus own prediction.
Talk about dense!

Matthew 12:40 and discover the true story. Jesus said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Now turn to John 11:9 and read this rhetorical question by Jesus, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight?" By putting these two verses together we see Jesus establishes he would spend in the heart of the earth 36 hours (3x12) for day and 36 hours (3x12) for night. Therefore, we know the three days and three nights he spoke of in Matthew 12 would have to equal 72 hours. In John 19:31 we read, "Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath…" Therefore, we see that the Sabbath in John 19:31 is not the regular Saturday Sabbath observed on
non-festival weeks, but rather a special Passover Sabbath, which commenced on Wednesday at sunset, rather than Friday at sunset. Not only did it start on Wednesday at sunset... but it continued on through three days until Saturday at sunset when the Passover celebration ended. This is why you read about the women returning to Jesus' tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday). This is because the special 3 day Sabbath had ended and they were very eager to get back to the tomb to add more spices to his body. So now that we see Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, let's go to Luke 23: 44-46 to pinpoint the time he died. "It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour… Jesus called out with a loud voice, Father into your hands I commit
my spirit. When he had said this, he breathed his last." When it says the ninth hour, it means the ninth hour since the break of day. In other words, it was about three o'clock in the afternoon when Jesus died. Then after obtaining permission from Pilate,(which could have easily taken 1-2 hours)

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#81422 Mar 17, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>What is rather hilarious is that the disciples may have jumped the gun if they were the ones that raided the tomb.

Jesus predicted that he would be dead and buried 3 days and 3 nights. At best he was dead and in the tomb half of that time 2 nights and one day. At best he died late Friday afternoon according to the Bible. He was dead late Friday afternoon and put in the tomb just before sundown Friday night. Then we have Friday night through Saturday morning,one night, all of Saturday day, one day, and then Saturday night through Sunday morning when he was gone either just before sunrise or just after it depending upon which gospel you read. So that is another night. Two nights one day, all of roughly 12 hour periods. That is half of the three days and three nights of Jesus own prediction.
Part 2

Jesus was taken down from the cross and hurriedly buried just before sundown, probably sometime around 6:00 p.m. Remember that Jewish Sabbath days begins at sundown on one day and end at sundown the next. In Leviticus 23:32, God stated, "From the evening… until the following evening you are to observe your Sabbath." So if you count 72 hours from late Wednesday afternoon at around 5-6:00 p.m., you will see that Jesus would have risen and left his tomb at around 5-6:00 p.m. on Saturday. Therefore, a Sunday resurrection is not what the Bible reveals to us at all. We do read in Luke 24: 1-3, "On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus." Clearly, those who arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning discovered an empty tomb, not Jesus rising from the dead in front of them. So to answer your question… "How did Jesus die on Friday and rise on Sunday and is said to have been dead for 3 days?" He didn't die on Friday… being the Son of God, his divine spirit departed his human body while on the cross Wednesday afternoon, his earthly body was then placed in a tomb near sunset that same day. His spirit returned to his body at sunset on Saturday to resurrect as a glorified earthly body. His body was soon discovered missing from the tomb early Sunday morning by his followers.
Which begs the question - where did his spirit go for those three days? Many bible verses are involved, but the summary is this... he went to Paradise (in the heart of the earth) and took all there to heaven. Paradise was a temporal place for believers of the "Coming Messiah" from the Garden of Eden to The Cross. The last person to enter Paradise was one of the criminals who hung on the cross next to Jesus. The reason believers of the "Coming Messiah" could not enter heaven upon their death, was due to the fact that Jesus had to die on the cross for the sins of all mankind - past, present and
future so they could obtain right standing with God through the substitutionary atonement of His death on the cross. Jesus rightfully so... went straight to Paradise to bring the Old Testament believers to heaven, as they now had right standing with God. In Paradise were famous believers like Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Daniel, Jeremiah, and many others too numerous to list. As well as the throngs of nameless believers of the Old Testament. Therefore, Jesus was quite busy those three days with moving multitudes of believers from Paradise to Heaven, and getting them settled into their new mansion homes in heaven. What a glorious time that must have been! Three days later, he returned to his human body on earth, rose from the dead, and remained on earth for an additional forty days. He performed many important tasks during this time, with the most important being to prepare the disciples for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, ten days after his ascension, on the Day of Pentecost.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#81424 Mar 17, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>I really doubt the veracity of those items, and I particularly doubt the owner of the OOPARTS and the eyewitness gullibility.

Note also, that back in those times Joseph Smith was fooling people with 'Gold Scripture' pages and other assorted voodoo....and he got followers to believe him and establish Mormonism.
I did not expect you to see them as proof of the flood but even a blind fool
Can see that there is indeed evidence for the flood. Interpret evidence as you wish.
FREE SERVANT
#81425 Mar 17, 2013
Maybe we should think outside of the box when considering our universe. Could the universe be a system and if it is, what kind of a system is it? We can see various systems in nature and some of them appear symmetrical with left and right sides. All natural systems are grouped that coordinate to perform a specific function like our bodies for example where various organs make up an organ system and specific organs are present on the left side and right side of the body. The universe must of had a function, but how and why is still being pondered.
Mark

United States

#81426 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Mark wrote:
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I saw a pic from Hubble of it, It has a cross in the center of the star, a rugged cross. no joke
where did you come up with that he said that a Hubble picture showed the center of the Universe????...you really must be smoking some good stuff there...lol
Ok folks, I saw the PPT and know the guy, he's a prof. Give me a day and i will post the link, come on, ease up a little...my fingers are wearing out. It is a pretty cool pic that I know will not change any minds here but it's fun on this "God particle" week.

M

M

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81427 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>this should be fun coming from the child molester...
funny how you label people when you are filled with shame of your own disease. Go see a psychiatrist. There's medication for psychopaths.

Since: Jun 12

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#81428 Mar 17, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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So, 2.5 billion years ago the earth was covered in water...well that clearly does not back up the 'Flood' of 2300 BC
like I said the Earth cover with water is a flood, no matter how you look at it...its just a matter of words...the earth was "flooded" with water...the earth was "covered" with water.

2 Peter 3:8

With the Lord a single day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a single day.

This verse isn't trying to imply some mathematical equation...it's only saying that a day to God is a very long time.It's an abstract concept.

The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81429 Mar 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Okay. These evolutionists are clouding my point of view. Or should I say fogging up?
The truth is their theory is nothing but a puzzle in logic. To me, it's just another science experiment with a goal to understand the unexplained using the scientific method.
Okay it's time to dig more dirt.
It's not a logic puzzle, it's a reality puzzle. And in that puzzle about the history of life we find that life has evolved. It's the particulars of how life evolved is what biologists debate over (normal for any scientific theory), not whether or not evolution happened at all.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81430 Mar 17, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
I did not expect you to see them as proof of the flood but even a blind fool
Can see that there is indeed evidence for the flood. Interpret evidence as you wish.
There's lots of evidence of flooding.

Nothing global though.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81431 Mar 17, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Maybe we should think outside of the box when considering our universe. Could the universe be a system
Still don't care Mikey.
d pants

United States

#81432 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Easy. "Wipe out all infidels!" I think this happened in the Bible a few times.
<quoted text>
... or desire for eternal paradise. Fundies claim God is the source of morality and anything which contradicts that must therefore be "immoral". It's just a shame that we only have people to tell us what God likes and what it doesn't.
<quoted text>
If it's instinct then even non-believers are capable of morality. Belief in another's particular deity is not necessarily a requirement.
then why do other animals instinctively protect their young? Or eat them instinctivly? All I'm stating is that what people call morals are usually instinct. If it comes to survival, they could go out the window.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81433 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
like I said the Earth cover with water is a flood, no matter how you look at it...its just a matter of words...the earth was "flooded" with water...the earth was "covered" with water.
2 Peter 3:8
With the Lord a single day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a single day.
This verse isn't trying to imply some mathematical equation...it's only saying that a day to God is a very long time.It's an abstract concept.
And it's a false abstract concept. Nothing is a long time to one who exists in eternity.

But the fact remains that the science does not support Noah's flood.

Oh, and your linky did say there was still some land above water.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#81434 Mar 17, 2013
I understand the abstract concept fully, but the wording in the Bible is clearly talking about a series of 24 hours days.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81435 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not a logic puzzle, it's a reality puzzle. And in that puzzle about the history of life we find that life has evolved. It's the particulars of how life evolved is what biologists debate over (normal for any scientific theory), not whether or not evolution happened at all.
Yah and you evolutionists like to play these mind games. Good luck doing that amongst yourselves.
d pants

United States

#81436 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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No, since the modern evolutionary synthesis makes no racist claims. Although that's not stopped some ignorant people from attempting to use it as justification for racism, just as some have used the Bible for the same. But what ignorant people say of science has no bearing on a theory's scientific validity.
what we don't know outweighs what we do. Fact is fact. Theories are not yet valid. Even in your scientific community, supposedly...

Level 2

Since: Aug 12

Turkey

#81437 Mar 17, 2013
I was a monkey.

Since: Jun 12

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#81438 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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And it's a false abstract concept. Nothing is a long time to one who exists in eternity.
But the fact remains that the science does not support Noah's flood.
Oh, and your linky did say there was still some land above water.
Your water pipe broke in your basement...the water is one foot from the ceiling (which is a lot more than 2 to 3 %) call the plumber and ask him if your basement is flooded or not.YDA
Mark

United States

#81439 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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You do certainly have a lot of anecdotes.
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Tell us how trilobites have more mass than mammoths? You're not really explaining this "gravitational sorting" very well.
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http://www.trilobites.info/origins.htm
Didn't you also say that the pre-Cambrian has "no fossils" because there was "no death"? Setting aside for the moment the pomegranate that Adam and Eve ate must have died.
Not sure how the whole no death thing fits in with the second law of thermodynamics either, but...
Sorting deposition is where if you have water born sediments in a current, the heavier minerals will tumble down first and form a layer, then next lighter and so on. Its a see to beleive phenon in a lab. I saw it at St Helens in post eruption road cuts and from pic's of the 1/40 scale grand canyon that was exposed later there when a soft material dam broke up high. When it lithifies, each layer is unique like repoured layers of concrete one on the other. Valley and canyon formation concepts previously taught as "one grain of sand at a time" erosion formations had to be rethoiught as the high-speed hot mud flows that came off the mtn created valleys in a few hours, not the creeks taking lots of time that came along as a result of the revines being made.

Fish and reptiles drown and sink whole, mammals bloat, float and fall apart. Thats why mammals made it to the top layers, they were flaoting around in the massive veg islands post the initial flood.

Ok so an error of saying no death, no massive death by water is what i ment. Your comments are appreciated,

M
FREE SERVANT
#81440 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Still don't care Mikey.
Well at least you read more than just one word of my post this time. The simple fact that systems follow cycles to perform a specific function is my point. Happy Saint Patricks day!
Mark

United States

#81441 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Sure it does. Except no-one's preventing you from scientific debate. In fact the scientific community has been waiting for you guys to do that for thousands of years. Creationists write apologetics instead, or the few times they try getting creationism through scientific peer-review it tends to get rejected as BS.
<quoted text>
With any element you could do that if it's put under enough pressure. That's why we see the creation of elements in stars. So why is water singled out? Because it's in the Bible of course. Not that you have any scientific mechanisms to support it though.
<quoted text>
What power to spin it?
<quoted text>
Oh, but ID doesn't have anything to do with religion, nope! Nosirree-bob! It's just them evil lying atheist Darwinists who say it is!
Right?
What exactly IS the "scientific theory" of ID?
I've been asking a fundie on another thread this for a whole week. In fact I've been asking fundies this for 8 years. The scientific community has been asking for 20. Or a few thousand, depending on how you look at it.
But even the guys who invented ID admitted they don't have a scientific theory.
<quoted text>
Can you please provide objective scientific evidence that this entity of yours even exists?
Dude,

Its the stupid humming bird, i'm a helicopter guy and they school me all the time. Never met a pilot who could outfly one nor an engineer who could build one better.

M

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