Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 210209 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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d-pants7

United States

#81398 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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You have no real morals. It all comes from fear of eternal torment or desire for eternal paradise. And if God commands genocide you will do it happily for you think it righteous. You are incapable of genuine altruism.
double yawn. How does god command genocide? So If I think its wrong to hurt a child it because of fear of eternal torment? The torment in my head would last the rest of my life if I didn't try to protect them. But like I said its instinct really not moral. Point your finger up your ;-)
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81399 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
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I love those pics that show a petrified tree vertically transecting millions of years of evo strata. They tried that at Yellowstone and then had to change the signs. Not all fields of science are effected, where this has gone wrong is the integration of operational sceince and origin science into a 'cult science' that needs no creator and has it's own group of high preists controlling the data, claiming to have all the answers. The Bible calls it "science falsely so called". Why do you think they have spread the word not to debate anymore? Because of the stuff I write about. It works.
Sure it does. Except no-one's preventing you from scientific debate. In fact the scientific community has been waiting for you guys to do that for thousands of years. Creationists write apologetics instead, or the few times they try getting creationism through scientific peer-review it tends to get rejected as BS.
Mark wrote:
The Bible teaches that the world was made out of water with water. With H2O you can make the entire atomic chart, you just need to spin it fast enough.
With any element you could do that if it's put under enough pressure. That's why we see the creation of elements in stars. So why is water singled out? Because it's in the Bible of course. Not that you have any scientific mechanisms to support it though.
Mark wrote:
The word "light" in scripture actually means the entire spectrum of energy up to light, so there's your power to spin it and construct elements.
What power to spin it?
Mark wrote:
After that its intelligence - ID, "and God was hovering over the water's", He was there. It's a beautiful picture of a beautiful creation. Our world now is only an image of what was, hence the poles, deserts and wastelands that don't look to lovely, and the massive graveyards of dead things killed in a catastrophy that wasnt so pretty.
Oh, but ID doesn't have anything to do with religion, nope! Nosirree-bob! It's just them evil lying atheist Darwinists who say it is!

Right?

What exactly IS the "scientific theory" of ID?

I've been asking a fundie on another thread this for a whole week. In fact I've been asking fundies this for 8 years. The scientific community has been asking for 20. Or a few thousand, depending on how you look at it.

But even the guys who invented ID admitted they don't have a scientific theory.
Mark wrote:
It won't stay this way forever, God says he is going to show us His stuff again.
M
Can you please provide objective scientific evidence that this entity of yours even exists?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81400 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Now you're calling me a racist? seriously?
have you been beat down so low by posting such ignorant posts and having them shot down one after another that now you have to resort to open libel?
you have really hit bottom, Cybele...
No. You need a taste of your medicine. Do you prefer CODEine?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81401 Mar 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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And you're sure the formula is accurate in dating fossils? link please
I saw SD address this some pages back. The only people who use the wrong dating techniques on the wrong stuff is creationists.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81402 Mar 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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DNA bank?
Well that too.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81403 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
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What I suggested is that the universe is still unraveling from the creation event and there's no need for dark matter, the evo's need to hold it all together for long ages, we don't. I am not God, he says he created it, it looks pretty and works great!
M
Your preaching is (again) avoiding the point. But thanks again for demonstrating that creationism is light on explanations.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81404 Mar 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Is this going to be your attitude to get more evidence?
Your logic is getting weaker by the day each time you learn more of it. lol
Get more evidence from creationists? Isn't that kind of an oxymoron?

“Keep the change...”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#81405 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, major joke. you are a joke.
you are a joke of a liar. not even a good one, just a joke of one...
every picture from HST is catalogued. which picture shows the center of the universe?
Mark wrote:
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I saw a pic from Hubble of it, It has a cross in the center of the star, a rugged cross. no joke

where did you come up with that he said that a Hubble picture showed the center of the Universe????...you really must be smoking some good stuff there...lol

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81406 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I saw SD address this some pages back. The only people who use the wrong dating techniques on the wrong stuff is creationists.
Then why did you say that it was scientists that made the correction when they miscalculated the age of h. rhodesiensis fossil? You have repeated this in many instances when corrections were pointed out here.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81407 Mar 17, 2013
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
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LOL, gravity is a force, not a unit of measure.
Are you allowed outside without wearing a helmet?
And forces can be measured, yes? That's why astronomers use dark matter calculations to correctly predict the positions of astronomical phenomena. They had another idea called modified gravity. It didn't work. Dark matter does. Goddidit with magic doesn't do anything.

Maybe your god is dark matter? After all, that's all you fundies do - use your god as a placeholder for ignorance. That's exactly what Mark just did, which is why he was unable to provide a better alternative theory that does a better job of explaining the evidence.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81408 Mar 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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No. You need a taste of your medicine. Do you prefer CODEine?
Really? I've lied about you openly?

did I say you were a pleasant, intelligent, respectable person? that would have been a true lie...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81409 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Mark wrote:
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I saw a pic from Hubble of it, It has a cross in the center of the star, a rugged cross. no joke
where did you come up with that he said that a Hubble picture showed the center of the Universe????...you really must be smoking some good stuff there...lol
Ummm..the quote where he said he saw a pic from hubble of it and it had a cross in it?

catch up!
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81410 Mar 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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He is ranting on about his white supremacist worldview. Don't you have that in Europe? Didn't you Darwinian cult prove that?
No, since the modern evolutionary synthesis makes no racist claims. Although that's not stopped some ignorant people from attempting to use it as justification for racism, just as some have used the Bible for the same. But what ignorant people say of science has no bearing on a theory's scientific validity.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81411 Mar 17, 2013
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
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LOL, gravity is a force, not a unit of measure.
Are you allowed outside without wearing a helmet?
We use the amount of gravity felt at the Earth's surface at sea level as one G. so we actually do use gravity as a unit of measurement.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#81412 Mar 17, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Please no lying Langoliers. When you lie you make the baby Jebus cwy.
Lying
Noun
1) an act or instance of lying or resting

Why would he cry if I rest?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81413 Mar 17, 2013
Okay. These evolutionists are clouding my point of view. Or should I say fogging up?

The truth is their theory is nothing but a puzzle in logic. To me, it's just another science experiment with a goal to understand the unexplained using the scientific method.

Okay it's time to dig more dirt.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#81414 Mar 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Not Earth.
You sure?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81415 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Really? I've lied about you openly?
did I say you were a pleasant, intelligent, respectable person? that would have been a true lie...
Who says anything about a lie? What does mocking a God make you eh? Does that make you into another God? tell me...
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81416 Mar 17, 2013
d-pants7 wrote:
<quoted text> double yawn. How does god command genocide?
Easy. "Wipe out all infidels!" I think this happened in the Bible a few times.
d-pants7 wrote:
So If I think its wrong to hurt a child it because of fear of eternal torment?
... or desire for eternal paradise. Fundies claim God is the source of morality and anything which contradicts that must therefore be "immoral". It's just a shame that we only have people to tell us what God likes and what it doesn't.
d-pants7 wrote:
The torment in my head would last the rest of my life if I didn't try to protect them. But like I said its instinct really not moral. Point your finger up your ;-)
If it's instinct then even non-believers are capable of morality. Belief in another's particular deity is not necessarily a requirement.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#81417 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>No rocks are also dated by radiometric means.

there is an aquifer at the grand canyon that has water radio metrically dated to LONG before your fundie world was supposedly created.

your cult lied to you.
"rocks are also dated by radiometric means"

Yes they date rocks that way, one rock was over a billion years older on one end then the other end.

Great way of dating things!!
Unless you believe that a rock can have that kind of age difference in a matter of inches.

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