Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209686 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Mark

United States

#81377 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Bingo.
There isn't one.
I saw a pic from Hubble of it, It has a cross in the center of the star, a rugged cross. no joke

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81378 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Bingo.
There isn't one.
She once again shows her limited thinking. if only she would 'open up her mind to new concepts'...
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81379 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
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Didn't have any "fundie" profs, sorry. Have you ever noticed why the evo's "say" rocks are dated via the geologic column and not from radiometric data? Thats because they would have to turn the canyon upside down for one model and rightside up for the other. Actually I publically debated that issue with a university dept. head, he blew up and later had to write me an apology as directed by the Uni president, also a geologist.
You do certainly have a lot of anecdotes.
Mark wrote:
Arts aurguement in the letter was "well, everyone believes it's this way". Fact is the fossil evidence simply points to a catastrophic watery disaster. Sure, ocean floor sea life was buried in first, worms, trilobites with their complex eyes then we see alot of nautilus there, discovered by Steve Austin, that has attracted alot of attn, further blowing up the the uniform theory.
Tell us how trilobites have more mass than mammoths? You're not really explaining this "gravitational sorting" very well.
Mark wrote:
How do you trap millions of them in a sediment laden watery enviro, all about the same age and driven by current in the same direction in a "tranquil" ocean? Entire sections of the column are missing in the canyon which should be their holy grail model. How did a trilobite evolve to a nautilus in one layer? No one has lied to me, they have lied to us! Where are the transitions? Patterson at the British Museum admitted to me that no one he new has seen living transitionals in the field, which I confirmed to him in my 25 years running around Alaska. He told me, Mark, "bless you on your quest for truth". He once asked a large group if anyone knew one thing that was true of eveolution theory, it got very quiet and one subject responded, "well, I know that it shouldn't be taught in high school"!
http://www.trilobites.info/origins.htm

Didn't you also say that the pre-Cambrian has "no fossils" because there was "no death"? Setting aside for the moment the pomegranate that Adam and Eve ate must have died.

Not sure how the whole no death thing fits in with the second law of thermodynamics either, but...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81380 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
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I love those pics that show a petrified tree vertically transecting millions of years of evo strata. They tried that at Yellowstone and then had to change the signs. Not all fields of science are effected, where this has gone wrong is the integration of operational sceince and origin science into a 'cult science' that needs no creator and has it's own group of high preists controlling the data, claiming to have all the answers. The Bible calls it "science falsely so called". Why do you think they have spread the word not to debate anymore? Because of the stuff I write about. It works. The Bible teaches that the world was made out of water with water. With H2O you can make the entire atomic chart, you just need to spin it fast enough. The word "light" in scripture actually means the entire spectrum of energy up to light, so there's your power to spin it and construct elements. After that its intelligence - ID, "and God was hovering over the water's", He was there. It's a beautiful picture of a beautiful creation. Our world now is only an image of what was, hence the poles, deserts and wastelands that don't look to lovely, and the massive graveyards of dead things killed in a catastrophy that wasnt so pretty. It won't stay this way forever, God says he is going to show us His stuff again.
M
you are really out of it, Mark.

all this crap you post is already proven to be bullshit. why do you think intelligent people would actually believe it for a second? you are basically openly lying to us and then you ask for credulity...ain't gonna happen fom that kind of crap.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81381 Mar 17, 2013
d-pants7 wrote:
<quoted text> real morals are instinctive and your other ones will quickly go out the window if it came down to survival.
You have no real morals. It all comes from fear of eternal torment or desire for eternal paradise. And if God commands genocide you will do it happily for you think it righteous. You are incapable of genuine altruism.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81382 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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evidence that the Ark had a
DNA bank?
Mark

United States

#81383 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually you avoided it yesterday. We pointed out that dark matter has been detected and you said it's wrong cuz Goddidit with magic. In the meantime you were unable to provide an alternative explanation.
<quoted text>
Then how come male leatherback turtles aren't at the bottom?
What I suggested is that the universe is still unraveling from the creation event and there's no need for dark matter, the evo's need to hold it all together for long ages, we don't. I am not God, he says he created it, it looks pretty and works great!

M

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81384 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
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I saw a pic from Hubble of it, It has a cross in the center of the star, a rugged cross. no joke
yes, major joke. you are a joke.

you are a joke of a liar. not even a good one, just a joke of one...

every picture from HST is catalogued. which picture shows the center of the universe?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81385 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
It's hard to say, I know when I am getting close when evo's get off topic and start stereotyping, name calling, or both. I was in your camp till I was in my 20's and had the same feelings you have. Thought myself very sceintific, objective and way too intelligent to need a God.
I remember when my older friend from school crashed a floatplane and killed a fam with an infant, I said to myself "there is no god".'How could there be to allow such things to happen' I thought. Then one night flying in the Brooks I got myself in a real jam knew I was packing it in with passengers, Just like Rick did. I looked up and said, if there is a God, I need your help now! Am serious, a voice said to me "Son, you said the right thing"! and I popped out and got 15 gals of gas to boot (was oveer salt water by then). What can I say to that! So I went on a search so here I am. He see's us all, thats all I know.
Bingo. God sees us all and that's all you know. Unfortunately you don't even know if it exists. If you did you would be able to demonstrate it in an objective manner via the scientific method.

Of course all this is irrelevant since evolution makes no theological claims. It would be quite happy if God was the one responsible for abiogenesis. All it needs is for life to be here. Life IS here. Life evolves. Facts. In order to demonstrate otherwise you need to demonstrate that life is in fact NOT here.

Good luck.
Mark wrote:
Evo's should be able to use cell science to support their claims in the area of a biological mechanism for evolution to work. Instead now the researchers are either believers or closet beleivers. When a honest person faces the complexity of a cell and analogies to software, data compression, replication and a lauguage convention, that's the same in all living things, plant or animal one must take a breath. Crick, the co-discoverer of DNA gave up and dissmissed the issue to science fiction where evolution must have occure off planet and brought here by space ships. Now I feel better... Panasperma saved the day...
M
Except your problem is the analogy itself. DNA is not a language. It is not a code. It is also a naturally occurring self-replicating biological organism, unlike anything in your analogies. Your other problem is that the theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. Since DNA *is* actually here, it can, and does evolve.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81386 Mar 17, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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So, 2.5 billion years ago the earth was covered in water...well that clearly does not back up the 'Flood' of 2300 BC
Details, details...
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81387 Mar 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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A LIE N GOD
Of course it's alien. It's an invisible intelligent entity residing in some kind of multiverse that creates universes as a hobby. It could not possibly BE more alien.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81388 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Bingo. God sees us all and that's all you know. Unfortunately you don't even know if it exists. If you did you would be able to demonstrate it in an objective manner via the scientific method.
Of course all this is irrelevant since evolution makes no theological claims. It would be quite happy if God was the one responsible for abiogenesis. All it needs is for life to be here. Life IS here. Life evolves. Facts. In order to demonstrate otherwise you need to demonstrate that life is in fact NOT here.
Good luck.
<quoted text>
Except your problem is the analogy itself. DNA is not a language. It is not a code. It is also a naturally occurring self-replicating biological organism, unlike anything in your analogies. Your other problem is that the theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. Since DNA *is* actually here, it can, and does evolve.
Is this going to be your attitude to get more evidence?

Your logic is getting weaker by the day each time you learn more of it. lol
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81389 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, he was right...i openly mock the created god of abraham. they did such a poor job of creating him it is worth mocking. the people who believe in such a badly created myth deserve to be mocked also....openly.
perpetuating such cults through your belief and support is defintely mockable....should be a civic duty to mock such things.
Ah, but the god of the Abrahamic religions IS just opinion. That's the point. And creationists have this strange desire to portray their god stupidly. Their problem of course. Like I keep trying to tell them that if such a thing exists at all it's totally beyond human comprehension, and it's best staying that way. As any attempt to put such a being into human conventions falls afoul of plentiful logical contradictions.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81390 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course it's alien. It's an invisible intelligent entity residing in some kind of multiverse that creates universes as a hobby. It could not possibly BE more alien.
That would explain all the 'probing' in the catholic church!

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81391 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Ah, but the god of the Abrahamic religions IS just opinion. That's the point. And creationists have this strange desire to portray their god stupidly. Their problem of course. Like I keep trying to tell them that if such a thing exists at all it's totally beyond human comprehension, and it's best staying that way. As any attempt to put such a being into human conventions falls afoul of plentiful logical contradictions.
He is ranting on about his white supremacist worldview. Don't you have that in Europe? Didn't you Darwinian cult prove that?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81392 Mar 17, 2013
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
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You have a lot to learn. How would a sphere be represented in two dimensions? A circle.
That's nice.

We don't exist in two dimensions. If your god does then it's gonna have problems.
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
Do you know the current number of dimensions the scientific mainstream community accepts?
Scientifically, four. Potentially? 5 or more, depending on which mathematical model is being used. So far they're all hypothetical.

None of which addresses the fact that the Bible is either literal or it's not.
d-pants7

United States

#81393 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>No, people with real morals stick to them regardless...
have you ever been inches from starvation? I mean with no food anywhere? All your nice neighborhoods would turn into black Friday times ten thousand in a food or energy crisis. Instead of helping little old ladies acrossed the street many people with "morals" would be stealing her food from her pantry to feed their starving children, or worse. One moral out the window and another reinforced by instinct. Protecting and caring for our young.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

Redding, CA

#81394 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Gravity.

You back again? You're as clueless as you were last time.

Which was very.
LOL, gravity is a force, not a unit of measure.

Are you allowed outside without wearing a helmet?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81395 Mar 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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He is ranting on about his white supremacist worldview. Don't you have that in Europe? Didn't you Darwinian cult prove that?
Now you're calling me a racist? seriously?

have you been beat down so low by posting such ignorant posts and having them shot down one after another that now you have to resort to open libel?

you have really hit bottom, Cybele...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81396 Mar 17, 2013
d-pants7 wrote:
<quoted text> have you ever been inches from starvation? I mean with no food anywhere? All your nice neighborhoods would turn into black Friday times ten thousand in a food or energy crisis. Instead of helping little old ladies acrossed the street many people with "morals" would be stealing her food from her pantry to feed their starving children, or worse. One moral out the window and another reinforced by instinct. Protecting and caring for our young.
Again, people with real morals stick to thenm no matter what.

you seem to show your morals in your scenario.

we have countless examples where people in life and death situations have worked together and held to their morals.

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