Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 222225 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81352 Mar 17, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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If the police are questioning 2 people they smell something fishing if the the eye whiteness story's all match word for word. Simple no two people are watching what is happing the same way. Their eyes are scanning and observing totally different from each other. Two witness's two story's and no one is lying. They are simply telling what they observed.
Actually creationists lie. Observations do not matter because they openly admitted it.

Like I said to HoG, one "interpretation" passes the scientific method and one destroys all life on Earth. Which interpretation is correct? The creationists say the latter, and life survived due to invisible Godmagic.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81353 Mar 17, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Here's a list of a few places that have their own version of a world wide flood.
Which obviously means the Greeks were right all along and Zeus is Lord.

Except I pointed out months ago that not all of them were necessarily global, but fundies just throw everything in there to make it look like they have a case, just like they threw in dentists in the list against "Darwinism". But it doesn't matter how many ancient religions thought it was global if it means no-one is left to talk about it.
Mark

United States

#81354 Mar 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So ... you know nothing about geology, biology, or archeology ... yet you presume to debate them? No, you are either lying or too deluded to know reality at all.
It's hard to say, I know when I am getting close when evo's get off topic and start stereotyping, name calling, or both. I was in your camp till I was in my 20's and had the same feelings you have. Thought myself very sceintific, objective and way too intelligent to need a God.

I remember when my older friend from school crashed a floatplane and killed a fam with an infant, I said to myself "there is no god".'How could there be to allow such things to happen' I thought. Then one night flying in the Brooks I got myself in a real jam knew I was packing it in with passengers, Just like Rick did. I looked up and said, if there is a God, I need your help now! Am serious, a voice said to me "Son, you said the right thing"! and I popped out and got 15 gals of gas to boot (was oveer salt water by then). What can I say to that! So I went on a search so here I am. He see's us all, thats all I know.

Evo's should be able to use cell science to support their claims in the area of a biological mechanism for evolution to work. Instead now the researchers are either believers or closet beleivers. When a honest person faces the complexity of a cell and analogies to software, data compression, replication and a lauguage convention, that's the same in all living things, plant or animal one must take a breath. Crick, the co-discoverer of DNA gave up and dissmissed the issue to science fiction where evolution must have occure off planet and brought here by space ships. Now I feel better... Panasperma saved the day...

M
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81355 Mar 17, 2013
ThenNow WhatwillBe wrote:
I've been blown off by a bunch of self proclaimed intellects who mock God. lol
...Biblical? hmm
Mocking God? Nay, you misunderstand. Now mocking YOUR PARTICULAR OPINION of what you think God is, that's something COMPLETELY different.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#81356 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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The truth of the matter is that science does indeed point to the earth once being covered with water... the only disagreement between the the bible and science is the time frame.
01 January 2009 Early Earth 'was covered in water'
http://www.earthdive.com/site/news/newsdetail...
The article could have just as well been titled...
01 January 2009 Early Earth 'was "flooded" in water'
I pointed this out already, but you still insist on presenting false claims?
So, 2.5 billion years ago the earth was covered in water...well that clearly does not back up the 'Flood' of 2300 BC
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81357 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
I have noticed that the comments are now avioding "Dark Matter"
Actually you avoided it yesterday. We pointed out that dark matter has been detected and you said it's wrong cuz Goddidit with magic. In the meantime you were unable to provide an alternative explanation.
Mark wrote:
Post Flood catastrophic events like this and the quick erosion of the Grand Canyon fit well in the dynamic environment of a post-flood world, and give uniformists terrible headaches to explain.
Then how come male leatherback turtles aren't at the bottom?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81358 Mar 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Is this the math that you think you can understand, Woodtick? Since you think your math is better than mine...
So, if you had a fossil that had 10 percent carbon-14 compared to a living sample, then that fossil would be:
t =[ ln (0.10)/(-0.693)] x 5,700 years
t =[(-2.303)/(-0.693)] x 5,700 years
t =[ 3.323 ] x 5,700 years
t = 18,940 years old
Because the half-life of carbon-14 is 5,700 years, it is only reliable for dating objects up to about 60,000 years old.
So why did you bring it up when you were talking about 520MY old geological strata yesterday?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#81359 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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That is the claim by scientists, about scientists... But when you take into account such things as peer pressure to support present data...showing results that support present data for funding etc. etc...
You have in place an system, that is only propagating ideas that are politically motivated to further advance an ideological hierarchy...not truth, as you claim.
Any scientist in the world would become instantly rich and famous if they come up with peer reviewed proof that evolution were not true.

Just like you creationists, if one of you came up with proof of creationism would also become rich and famous.

In 150+ years nobody has disproven evolution.

Same amount of time, nobody has proven creationism

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81360 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Unless you can provide me with scientific evidence that the Ark had a nuclear fusion propulsion system.

Bub, you are claiming that ALL fields of science are wrong because evidence points to GODDIDIT WITH MAGIC. If that's not dishonest then I don't know what is.
A LIE N GOD

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81361 Mar 17, 2013
lol
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81362 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
The truth of the matter is that science does indeed point to the earth once being covered with water... the only disagreement between the the bible and science is the time frame.
01 January 2009 Early Earth 'was covered in water'
http://www.earthdive.com/site/news/newsdetail...
The article could have just as well been titled...
01 January 2009 Early Earth 'was "flooded" in water'
I pointed this out already, but you still insist on presenting false claims?
And like I said when you brought it up the first time, science does not have a problem with that one. It was the NOACHIAN global flood which science conflicts with. Which led YOU to require a chronological error margin of over six THOUSAND percent if I recall.

Oh, and this also means that there's a whole lot more than "just" the timeframe that science is disagreeing with the Bible on here.

How come it's always you guys who have to lie?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81363 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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That is the claim by scientists, about scientists... But when you take into account such things as peer pressure to support present data...showing results that support present data for funding etc. etc...
You have in place an system, that is only propagating ideas that are politically motivated to further advance an ideological hierarchy...not truth, as you claim.
Ah, so we're back to the evil world-wide atheist conspiracy again. Fact is that if science doesn't get results funding will inevitably get cut. That's why there aren't any YEC's using "flood geology" to find oil deposits. That's why there are no YEC cosmologists. No-one's using "creation-science" to predict the positions of astronomical phenomena.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

Redding, CA

#81364 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Actually you avoided it yesterday. We pointed out that dark matter has been detected and you said it's wrong cuz Goddidit with magic. In the meantime you were unable to provide an alternative explanation.

Mark wrote, "Post Flood catastrophic events like this and the quick erosion of the Grand Canyon fit well in the dynamic environment of a post-flood world, and give uniformists terrible headaches to explain."

Then how come male leatherback turtles aren't at the bottom?
You are clueless,

Please tell me what unit of measure is used to detect darkness?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81365 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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How come it's always you guys who have to lie?
It's ironick isn't it?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81366 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Isaiah 40:22
"It is he who sits above the circle of the earth..."
Circles are flat. Earth isn't flat.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm

Yes I know. The Bible is "literally" true.

Except when it isn't.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81367 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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If the earth is not the center of the Universe,then where is the center of the Universe?
what constellation does it lie in?
please point it out for me.
The question does not make sense. All points in space are expanding in all directions simultaneously. There is no more single valid "center" of the universe than any other.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81368 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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"Sagittarius is a constellation of the zodiac, the one containing the galactic center."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_%28c...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_center
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81369 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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wrong again..."everywhere" does not define a center.
Bingo.

There isn't one.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81370 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
I have been on a few trips to the canyon and put my hands on the rocks, have you? Done a little science work too. Hiked the pre-cam zone where you have water borne layers with no fossils (the pre-flood earth that Adam walked)
Adam didn't exist. Unless there was already a large population of humans around at the time.
Mark wrote:
and then the "great unconformity" slicing them off and 1000ft+ of of fossil layden horizontally and water deposited Tapeat's sandstone. Then several thousand feet more fossilized layers on up. The base of which is sawed off fractured and upturned granite blocks, it says "the fountains of the great deep burst forth", these original crustal granites are fractured and broken in massive blocks, some turned 90 deg (a fast formed mtn range) that was subsequently and catastrophically eroded off. The perfectly plainier contact zone of the 12+ layers in the canyon are simply water current sorted shales and sandstones and while still unlithified were rapidly eroded out when the post flood dam near Page AZ burst out, all perfectly and logically explained from a flood model. The shores of this emptied lake tell of a lake larger than all teh great lakes combined. The evos tell us the layers were caused by 12 different oceans while the earth's crust played pogo stick for eons. Prob is there is no uniform erosion evidence anywhere between these "oceans". If you have mill of years between these uplifts and recoverings where is the evidence of a uniform eroded surface? There should be trees and ranges and valleys happening in all this time they need but its all perfectly flat mineral! You cant get a piece of paper between the layers!
But you claim you can get intact fossils in them.(shrug)
Mark wrote:
This was all explained in a big way geologically in your home state @ St. Helens. The worlds geologic community had the watch the drama unfold and tear out chapter after chapter of dogma, if they wanted to be honest. Dredges clearing out deposits found Canyon image plainier deposits in these cuts and also a lake/canyon creation and breakout that occured a year after the eruption put the rest together. This did much to explain Grand Canyon formation theory, if you want to face the facts. Makes alot of sense. Turns out you can replicate layer sorting in a lab and create plainier contact layers due to water sorting of the specific gravity of each type of mineral.
Then explain why there's no modern leatherback turtles at the bottom layers of geological strata.

There's also an interesting little bit about the Grand Canyon at 9 minutes in here:



Although the whole thing is worth a watch for insight into the creationist mindset if one has the time.
Mark wrote:
Oh well, eons not required nor do they explain a thing, that's the "Lie". So the bottom line is you can walk around the Canyon with your Bible open and see the same story in the rocks. I have found this to be true everywhere, that's the truth.
Except evidence is irrelevant to Goddidit with magic. So that means you ARE lying by claiming evidence supports it. Because NO universal configuration is impossible for an immortal all-powerful entity that creates universes as a hobby in its spare time.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81371 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Mocking God? Nay, you misunderstand. Now mocking YOUR PARTICULAR OPINION of what you think God is, that's something COMPLETELY different.
no, he was right...i openly mock the created god of abraham. they did such a poor job of creating him it is worth mocking. the people who believe in such a badly created myth deserve to be mocked also....openly.

perpetuating such cults through your belief and support is defintely mockable....should be a civic duty to mock such things.

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