Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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HOG_ Hand of God

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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>evolution theory does not attmpt to discuss how first life came to be.
So it cannot be used to dispute nor refute the claim or speculation that God created first life.*shrug*

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Where did the angels go?
Anaheim?
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Subduction Zone wrote:
HOG, first I would like to know what you believe and why. I believe that the theory of evolution is very accurate.
Yes, evidence can cut both ways. The problem for creationists is that it is very hard if not impossible to argue that the evidence supports creationism in any way at all.
My speciality is geology. Creationists have no explanation for the fossil record. Or perhaps I should say that any explanation they try to make has been easily debunked to date.
So once again, what do you believe and why? How old do you think the Earth is? Are you a YEC or an OEC?
"When men cease to believe in God, they do not then believe in nothing, they will believe in anything"

G.K Chesterton.

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I see that HOG has left behind all pretense at reason and is now just sputtering and making noise.

Too bad. I had such hopes.

Sadly he is just another creatard who cannot back up his beliefs when challenged.
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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>what's the problem with fossiles?
Ask Darwin, he knew.
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Subduction Zone wrote:
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You are quote mining at best, that means you are lying.
Come on, even an idiot like you should be able to do better than that.
Ahh! liar, the first line of defense of your religion.

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bohart wrote:
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"When men cease to believe in God, they do not then believe in nothing, they will believe in anything"
G.K Chesterton.
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil that takes religion.

Steven Weinberg
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Subduction Zone wrote:
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What a lying sack of shit.
Please no fairy tales. Links to articles are okay, but there are idiots here who will believe any lie that is told against evolution.
Here the liar defense is used again in concert with an insult, idiot, though fundie and creatard are the standard defense mechanisms.
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Subduction Zone wrote:
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... I don't expect creationists to look for the evidence for evolution.
Thats where you are mistaken.

Jesu(s) said "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." [John 4:1]

So Christians should be willing to LOOK FOR SIGNS OF CREATION BY ANY MEANS EFFECTIVE; because if God is Almighty, He will not be limited to creating any single way.

Most of your conception of religion and God seem to be fueled by mere heresy and prejudice.
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Why do you idiots expect us to look for your evidence?
We dont.

I just brought that up to show you that you are only seeing one side of the picture; and you are bound by education and ambition to keep limiting your view to the one side that is convenient to you.
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Arguing for evolution is not arguing against god in the least.
I know that.

Evolution could also have been used by God to create the universe.
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There are many Christians who believe the theory of evolution. They know that Genesis is myth and nothing more.
You seem to have the same attitude that Pope Urban had when Galileo showed that the Earth was not the center of the universe. He felt that his god was under attack by Galileo since the Bible clearly states that the Earth does not move and that it is circled by the heavenly bodies.
Thats because they were idiots.

If God is Almighty, He can do whatever, however, whenever. So there would be no need to debate about whether or not the earth was the center of anything, anywhere.

P.S. The person that KNOWS that Genesis is a myth cannot be accurately called a Christian.
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Strange how most creatards accept the fact that the universe is not geocentric, yet they still doubt the science of evolution.
The fact that the earth is not geocentric has nothing to do with evolution of species if you ask me (so dont mention it).

Are you tired of typing now or did your lunatic switch just flip?
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Subduction Zone wrote:
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... When we can show that the universe would work just as well without god that argument becomes meaningless...
How will you show that the universe would work just as well without God?

Have you created the universe that works well without God yet?

Or have you isolated God and placed Him outside of the universe so that you can know that it works well without Him?

You f@ckin clown!!
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The Dude wrote:
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I see. So you're a liar for Jesus.
Perhaps you're a miner.
Don't stop there, use all your religious defenses.

1. Liar.
2. Fundie, Creatard or any standard insult
3. accusations of ignorance and stupidity.
4. explain your own intellectual superiority
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Subduction Zone wrote:
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Sadly he is just another creatard who cannot back up his beliefs when challenged.
List the beliefs that I have stated which I cannot back up.

Or maybe I should ask you to define "belief" and "back up" and "challenged"?

LOL
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TerryL wrote:
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With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
Quote miner! liar, liar, ignorant wacko!...Oh!

Sorry, I had a evolution religion defense moment.

There is an element of truth in that statement, no doubt.

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Ahh! liar, the first line of defense of your religion.
Nope, you know the rules. Creatards always quote mine.

If they do not give a proper link it is clear that they are lying by quote mining.

Why didn't you find a proper link to prove I was wrong?

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HOG_ Hand of God wrote:
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How will you show that the universe would work just as well without God?
Have you created the universe that works well without God yet?
Or have you isolated God and placed Him outside of the universe so that you can know that it works well without Him?
You f@ckin clown!!
Fool, you are assuming the existence of god. You cannot do that.

We can show that there is no need for god in the universe. All observed phenomena can be explained without referring to mythical beings.

What happened to the person that pretended to be rational?

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HOG_ Hand of God wrote:
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List the beliefs that I have stated which I cannot back up.
Or maybe I should ask you to define "belief" and "back up" and "challenged"?
LOL
You have not backed up one of your statements.

What is your evidence for the existence of god?

And please do not say something stupid.
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Subduction Zone wrote:
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You have not backed up one of your statements.
What is your evidence for the existence of god?
And please do not say something stupid.
Wishful thinking.
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Subduction Zone wrote:
And though HOG may be more intelligent than our average creatard here, he is still dishonest.
He obviously believes in creation by a god of some sort but he will not go into any details of his belief.
Trying to play coy is not being honest. We cannot have a civilized debate if one side is not fully honest from the start.
Also, science can refute a claim if it is well enough defined. He is playing the I won't be specific so you can't debunk my claims game. Another dishonest ploy.
So yes, science cannot "prove" anything. It cannot prove that the universe was made last Thursday complete with false memories and fake evidence. But to believe that is a fruitless belief.
What science can do is tho show how ideas "work". As an idea evolution "works" creationism doesn't. It is a very useful too that is guiding present day medicine, is used in oil exploration, is used even in modern day engineering. Creation as a science is not used in anything.
Creationism does not "work".
Analysis of the preceding defense of subbys religion.

1.He begins with the standard insult of creatard.
2. he then moves over to questioning his intelligence.
3. followed by a reference to his opponents dishonesty.
4.finally he ends up proclaiming the intellectual superiority of his religion being responsible for ,medicine,oil exploration, and engineering?

Obviously your religion explains everything, doesn't it?
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Subduction Zone wrote:
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Nope, you know the rules. Creatards always quote mine.
If they do not give a proper link it is clear that they are lying by quote mining.
Why didn't you find a proper link to prove I was wrong?
O-R-I-G-I-N O-F T-H-E S-P-E-C-I-E-S

By your prophet Charles Darwin

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HOG_ Hand of God wrote:
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List the beliefs that I have stated which I cannot back up.
Or maybe I should ask you to define "belief" and "back up" and "challenged"?
LOL
Come on creatard. You know what I said.

Here, I will give you another chance.

Clearly state a belief of yours and show some evidence that you are correct. And please. Real evidence only please. And by that I mean evidence that applies to your beliefs and not to other beliefs.

For example the fossil record is evidence for evolution and not creation because evolution can explain it in a manner that fits into their paradigm. To date creationists have not been able to do so.

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