Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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HOG, first I would like to know what you believe and why. I believe that the theory of evolution is very accurate.
Yes, evidence can cut both ways. The problem for creationists is that it is very hard if not impossible to argue that the evidence supports creationism in any way at all.
My speciality is geology. Creationists have no explanation for the fossil record. Or perhaps I should say that any explanation they try to make has been easily debunked to date.
So once again, what do you believe and why? How old do you think the Earth is? Are you a YEC or an OEC?
"Fossils are the most obvious and serious objections which can be urged against the theory of evolution"

Charles Darwin, Origin of the species.

So according to the originator of your religion , the thing YOU hang your hat on is it's most serious objection.

what a joke you are.

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Mar 14, 2013
 
bohart wrote:
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"Fossils are the most obvious and serious objections which can be urged against the theory of evolution"
Charles Darwin, Origin of the species.
So according to the originator of your religion , the thing YOU hang your hat on is it's most serious objection.
what a joke you are.
what's the problem with fossiles?

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Mar 14, 2013
 
I think this post explains fossils best.

Quote - Evolution is simply mild adaption over a large amount of time. ALL fossils are "transitional" fossils. It amazes me that you are able to post a thread such as this, online, while denying the very mentality that made the internet possible. Sir, the irony isn't lost on me.- End Quote.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/barbourville-...
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Mar 14, 2013
 
PROFESSOR X wrote:
Atheistic Scientists were Humiliated As Their Junk DNA Evolution Paradigm recently Collapsed
Anti-theistic scientists, Ken Miller, Ayala, Dawkins, Collins, Falk and other junk DNA proponents made failed observations about DNA, such that their Darwinian evolution paradigm has collapsed. Not that long ago, junk DNA was being defended as an important element of the Darwinian evolution paradigm ... The question now seems to be whether Ayala, Dawkins, Collins, Falk and other junk DNA proponents will continue to defend junk DNA, whatever they call it?- Rob Crowther,PhD
Evolutionary Biologist Richard Sternberg discusses modern genomics and the collapse of evolutionists junk DNA theory.
http://www.cross.tv/66770
Doubt Atheism & Question Darwinism
http://www.evolutionfacts.blogspot.com
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We shouldn't diss on Ayala so badly, he advanced the concept of genetic "load" that due to mutations no species, especially humans, could survive more than 10,000 years... Hmmmm, he kinda stepped on his own belief's, or, was he hiding the truth in the data tables to get published? Seen that before. As all living organisms use the same triplicate code with a lauguage convention was an accident, created by accidents! Genetic paralellism put the the last nail in the evolutionaly coffin anyway. Thats where Denton showed that the right and left appendages is living things are comtrolled by unrelated genes. Their argument is they will find the answer someday, evolutionists always have "faith" in impossible discoveries or lots of time providing the answers or changes needed.

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Mar 14, 2013
 
bohart wrote:
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"Fossils are the most obvious and serious objections which can be urged against the theory of evolution"
Charles Darwin, Origin of the species.
So according to the originator of your religion , the thing YOU hang your hat on is it's most serious objection.
what a joke you are.
You are quote mining at best, that means you are lying.

Come on, even an idiot like you should be able to do better than that.

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HOG_ Hand of God wrote:
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Now, why am I not surprised you would say something like that?
Do they trust you to cross the street by yourself?
The Dude, of course, speaks the truth....it has been proven...keep up.
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Mar 14, 2013
 
Subduction Zone wrote:
HOG, first I would like to know what you believe and why. I believe that the theory of evolution is very accurate.
Yes, evidence can cut both ways. The problem for creationists is that it is very hard if not impossible to argue that the evidence supports creationism in any way at all.
My speciality is geology. Creationists have no explanation for the fossil record. Or perhaps I should say that any explanation they try to make has been easily debunked to date.
So once again, what do you believe and why? How old do you think the Earth is? Are you a YEC or an OEC?
After working all over the earth for 30+ years in underground mining, and touching some of the largest fossil deposits in the world, what I see is a world that was created out of water with water,(see the fossilless pre-cambrian formations in the central Grand Canyon, you have to float to it, I have been there) and secondly destroyed by water leaving fossil deposits and death (unlike the pre-cam because God made the earth first without death) and then eroded by uniform means until today. The Great unnconformity proves it. Naturally sea creatures would be buried first. Reptiles sink when they drown, mammals bloat and float, so hence a progression of fossil deposition in text book fossil deposition drawings. An exception in the Lewis range in Montana where the sea life is on the top and Dinos and debris is on the bottom. The evolutionists have been trying to divise a way to flip that range for years but found it better to remove it from the text books. How about the Redwood trees in Antarctica 10ft at the butt or mega flora and fruit trees found in Siberia? This evidence points to the fact that this world was mightly different once in the past.

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Mar 14, 2013
 
Mark wrote:
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After working all over the earth for 30+ years in underground mining, and touching some of the largest fossil deposits in the world, what I see is a world that was created out of water with water,(see the fossilless pre-cambrian formations in the central Grand Canyon, you have to float to it, I have been there) and secondly destroyed by water leaving fossil deposits and death (unlike the pre-cam because God made the earth first without death) and then eroded by uniform means until today. The Great unnconformity proves it. Naturally sea creatures would be buried first. Reptiles sink when they drown, mammals bloat and float, so hence a progression of fossil deposition in text book fossil deposition drawings. An exception in the Lewis range in Montana where the sea life is on the top and Dinos and debris is on the bottom. The evolutionists have been trying to divise a way to flip that range for years but found it better to remove it from the text books. How about the Redwood trees in Antarctica 10ft at the butt or mega flora and fruit trees found in Siberia? This evidence points to the fact that this world was mightly different once in the past.
What a lying sack of shit.

Please no fairy tales. Links to articles are okay, but there are idiots here who will believe any lie that is told against evolution.

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xxxooxxx wrote:
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if this is so true...why do lizards have evolutionary legs and the evolution of the snake had legs in the past but now has none?
Because the one born without legs survived better to reproduce.

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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Are you saying I'm a Yahtzee?! awww...and I didn't get you anything...
oh wait...maybe we're not done yet...
can i be a full house? chance? four threes in the three slot at least?
Chance is the loser's points.:P

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Mar 15, 2013
 
Cybele wrote:
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Didn't I tell you that our DNA is coded with A C T G
DNA sequence: ACTG CTGA TTCG ACCG etc....
I was trying to give an example of permutation and how it can be created by writing a script or a program. Don't be stupid. If you can't understand the analogy, that's not my problem.
If you could come up with an actually accurate analogy, then people would understand it. When you are discussing matters of science with people who have studied various fields, you had better be spot on or you will be nothing more than a pin cushion for jokes, a laughing stock. My areas are technology, chemistry, and neurology. Your analogy fails, your script is childish, and your attempt to use it to describe a chemical process is insulting to both computer technology and chemistry.
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Mar 15, 2013
 
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>if I'm boring you, i expect this will be the last time you address me.
goodbye child molesting pervert...
And you're talking trash because you think it's important to get the last word. I can walk away, but why if you're useful for further demonstrations. ;)
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Mar 15, 2013
 
Cybele wrote:
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what conspiracies? Are you being a dumbass who couldn't think of any other argument than call people flat-earthers? lol lame.
What conspiracy? Why, the evil world-wide atheist Darwinist evolutionist elitist scientist gayhomo liberal socialist Communist Nazi anti-Christian God-hating Satan-worshipping baby-eating Jewish illuminati conspiracy of course!
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HOG_ Hand of God wrote:
We all know that evidence proves nothing;evidence only supports.
Evidence is as good as what you can make of it. The same piece of evidence used to argue for a thing, is the same piece of evidence used to argue against that thing.
And this is where you fail. If this were correct EVERY imagined concept would be equally valid. This is not the case. The reason being the scientific method.
HOG_ Hand of God wrote:
We dont have to understand something to control it; so our best descriptions may be nothing more than a 'working knowledge', and not the truth.
Yes, just like we only have a working knowledge of gravity, but even today it is not completely understood. Despite this our knowledge has enabled us to send spacecraft to other worlds.
HOG_ Hand of God wrote:
Its interesting that you speak of the hypocrisy and ignorance of others?
You, have effectively demonstrated your unwillingness or otherwise utter failure to apply your concepts consistently in times past;
Ah, the "How do YOU know? Where you THERE?!?" argument. There's a reason why they roll their eyes in court every time they hear this one.
HOG_ Hand of God wrote:
you and that IANS b@stard. I wonder if lightening has struck him yet.
You'll have to ask him.(shrug)
HOG_ Hand of God wrote:
You would readily accept that logic is a valid means of discovering aspects of the natural world; yet when logic leads people to believe in God or an Almighty, you got issues.
Its strange how reasoning and logic only seems to work 'your' way.
You misunderstanding of terminology is why you fail. A two-dimensional universe is logical. We can have mathematical models of it and you can throw all the numbers you like at it and it will still be logical and internally consistent. But a two-dimensional universe is inconsistent with reality. Logic, like math, is dependent upon axioms. Axioms are arbitrary. So while logic can work it doesn't mean it's describing reality. Reality has to be tested by practical means. And if reality coflicts with your logic then your logic is simply wrong. Like heavier objects falling faster than lighter ones was thought to be logical until it was scientifically tested.

As it is, there is a logical reason why you believe in God. Mom said so. And if you were born in India you'd likely believe in Vishnu.

And that's fine if you have religious beliefs. But once you start claiming your religious beliefs are scientific then you will more often than not find that you're incorrect.

Godddit with magic is not scientific, period. And it shouldn't even take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
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Mark wrote:
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After working all over the earth for 30+ years in underground mining, and touching some of the largest fossil deposits in the world, what I see is a world that was created out of water with water,(see the fossilless pre-cambrian formations in the central Grand Canyon, you have to float to it, I have been there) and secondly destroyed by water leaving fossil deposits and death (unlike the pre-cam because God made the earth first without death) and then eroded by uniform means until today. The Great unnconformity proves it. Naturally sea creatures would be buried first. Reptiles sink when they drown, mammals bloat and float, so hence a progression of fossil deposition in text book fossil deposition drawings. An exception in the Lewis range in Montana where the sea life is on the top and Dinos and debris is on the bottom. The evolutionists have been trying to divise a way to flip that range for years but found it better to remove it from the text books. How about the Redwood trees in Antarctica 10ft at the butt or mega flora and fruit trees found in Siberia? This evidence points to the fact that this world was mightly different once in the past.
I see. So you're a liar for Jesus.

Perhaps you're a miner.
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bohart wrote:
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"Fossils are the most obvious and serious objections which can be urged against the theory of evolution"
Charles Darwin, Origin of the species.
So according to the originator of your religion , the thing YOU hang your hat on is it's most serious objection.
what a joke you are.
Don't worry, Darwin was vindicated.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

Of course if you had been paying attention you would have seen this the first 30 times.(shrug)
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Mark wrote:
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We shouldn't diss on Ayala so badly, he advanced the concept of genetic "load" that due to mutations no species, especially humans, could survive more than 10,000 years... Hmmmm, he kinda stepped on his own belief's, or, was he hiding the truth in the data tables to get published? Seen that before. As all living organisms use the same triplicate code with a lauguage convention was an accident, created by accidents! Genetic paralellism put the the last nail in the evolutionaly coffin anyway. Thats where Denton showed that the right and left appendages is living things are comtrolled by unrelated genes. Their argument is they will find the answer someday, evolutionists always have "faith" in impossible discoveries or lots of time providing the answers or changes needed.
Oh, so you're a liar.

DNA itself is not a language so what "code" are you referring to?

What is the "scientific theory" of creationism?
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Mark wrote:
After working all over the earth for 30+ years in underground mining, and touching some of the largest fossil deposits in the world, what I see is a world that was created out of water with water
Since the world is mostly rock and not water I wonder how you can say that out loud with any seriousness. How was the world created with water? Yes, we understand the idea of water erosion so that's not what I'm talking about. How many mountains have you seen made of water?
Mark wrote:
(see the fossilless pre-cambrian formations in the central Grand Canyon, you have to float to it, I have been there) and secondly destroyed by water leaving fossil deposits and death
Except there ARE fossils in the pre-Cambrian. The whole fundie argument about that is a long known creo lie. And what is found are fossils of soft-bodied organisms as opposed to hard-bodied organisms found from the Cambrian explosion onwards. Precisely what one would expect from evolution. It's just that fossilization is rare, and even more so with soft-bodied organisms. Hence "explosion".
Mark wrote:
(unlike the pre-cam because God made the earth first without death) and then eroded by uniform means until today.
I'm sorry, "God"? Do you have scientific evidence that such a being exists? Do you not understand that this COMPLETELY undermines your premise that any of the BS you spout is scientific? And did you know there are dead things in the pre-Cam?
Mark wrote:
The Great unnconformity proves it. Naturally sea creatures would be buried first. Reptiles sink when they drown, mammals bloat and float, so hence a progression of fossil deposition in text book fossil deposition drawings. An exception in the Lewis range in Montana where the sea life is on the top and Dinos and debris is on the bottom.
Funny, since we only find modern animals in upper strata and ancient fossils in lower strata. But according to your model we should ONLY find modern male leatherback turtles at the bottom of the geological column. Darn. Your premise also doesn't explain how we got fossils buried intact INSIDE rock. Darn. Your premise also doesn't explain that if animals both floated AND sunk according to animal type WHY are there no velociraptors at the top of mountains? They were QUITE mobile and if they died in a flood which covered all land there's no reason we shouldn't find them mixed with modern fossils on mountaintops. Your premise is also referring to a "global flood" which never happened.
Mark wrote:
The evolutionists have been trying to divise a way to flip that range for years but found it better to remove it from the text books. How about the Redwood trees in Antarctica 10ft at the butt or mega flora and fruit trees found in Siberia?
And how did modern plants outrun the velociraptors getting to high ground too?
Mark wrote:
This evidence points to the fact that this world was mightly different once in the past.
No scientist in the world doubts that. But you claim physics itself worked totally differently despite all evidence to the contrary. Since you are obviously not a scientist and CERTAINLY not a geologist, would it interest you to know that the major creo organisations in the 80' sent geologists out into the field and they came back saying there was no scientific evidence of the flood? So they stopped sending scientists out into the field and instead focussed on apologetics.

Darn.

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Mar 15, 2013
 
xxxooxxx wrote:
Asexual reproduction would be the most logical way to go in terms of evolutionary survival. so why wouldn't all species develop along these lines?
And why would some species develop camouflage to avoid predators, while others species exhibit bright colors that would attract predators?
Evolutionary survival claims make no since at all.
What and miss all the fun???

Have you ever heard of dazzle camouflage. A little trick of nature that several militaries have picked up on

http://www.google.co.uk/search...

Just because you are incapable of comprehending should not mean you throw in the towel and shout,I dont understand so it must be god wot done it

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Happy Pi Day everyone!
It was also Steak and BJ Day.

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