Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Everett, WA

#80595 Mar 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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The rhodesian species were incorrectly dated. Big discrepancy, from 1.75 mya to about 300,000 years ago. Not only there are no real evidence, the dating system used was not reliable.
Links please so I know what you are talking about.

Please use real sources.

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#80596 Mar 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Links please so I know what you are talking about.
Please use real sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_rhodesiensi...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_ev...

These are the most accurate sources you can find online. There are no other sources that show more information.

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Evolution is true.....

#80597 Mar 12, 2013
ThenWhenNow wrote:
God Is.
Dead.....

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Evolution is true.....

#80598 Mar 12, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
http://www.intelligentdesignth eory.info/creation_vs_evolutio n.htm
"37 Facts of Creation vs. 30 False Theories of Evolution
Teaching Creation vs. Evolution
Both evolution and Intelligent Design Theory should be taught in school. In the creation vs. evolution debate facts for kids, natural selection and survival of the fittest are real and has caused you to believe that life is an accident. This has caused considerable conflict and turmoil in your life that was not of your conscious actions. If evolution is your belief, it is an integral part of your thoughts and your demeanour. Unfortunately, you are not living in harmony with love, peace, joy and a life of comfort or your own existence. Turmoil and conflict just flow into your life and you may wonder,'why me'? The problem is that much of the theory of evolution is unbelievable. Evolution vs. creationism is the cause of the unsolicited turmoil in your life. So you have my sympathy and my warm regards. After two hundred years of Darwinism, in creation vs. evolution many unbelievable beliefs about evolution have evolved.
Belief in evolution results in a subconscious feeling of futility and despair because it is in total conflict with humans' and and other creatures' desire to live and their constant battle to survive. Belief in evolution causes one to wonder if he or she will cease to exist or will suffer torture eternally in hell. Belief in creation results in a conscious feeling of comfort, joy and peace, causing one to know that he or she will live forever, free of pain, discord and suffering."
You write:
"Both evolution and Intelligent Design Theory should be taught in school.

We already teach evolution because we KNOW it to be true. If you want to teach creationism/religion in school make a separate class. Creationism/religion is folklore....NOT science by any stretch of the imagination.

You write:
"Belief in evolution causes one to wonder if he or she will cease to exist or will suffer torture eternally in hell.

No, this is a lie. Why should they fear Hell unless you sick people lodge this in their conscious. There is no hell....or heaven for that matter.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#80599 Mar 12, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
"Science, testable, measurable, observable and repeatable things that we know about the earth and the universe indicate that
There is absolutely no evidence that Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection proves change of species.
That aliens created billions of species on earth is not credible. What then, created the aliens?
Whales did not evolve from dogs.
Human ears did not evolve from fish gills, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Human lungs did not evolve from fish gills, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
There is absolutely no evolution evidence that life is an accident.
Evolution does not explain life, consciousness, intelligence or thoughts.
Because of this, modern Charles Darwin's theory of evolution evidence is not entirely credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Nuclear decay of Radioactive isotopes has some serious flaws in the dating process.
Uniform decay of radioisotopes has been disproved by Creation Science.
The Big Bang is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
That electrons and protons came from nowhere is difficult to believe, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Black holes are not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Time dilation is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Einstein warping of space and space contraction are not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
The existence of negative mirror universes is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured
That the creation of cells, DNA molecules and galaxies evolved by accident is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
That life began in a methane, ammonia and carbon dioxide atmosphere is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Your twin brother travelling at the speed of light and aging less is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured..
That particles pop in and out of the universe at random is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Stars travelling faster than the speed of light as a result of the Big Bang or any other reason is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
The distance between galaxies at the limits of the universe is the same as they are everywhere. Therefore, the universe may not be expanding
Red shift of light due to velocity and not gas and dust in space is not credible.
That the speed of light is a constant is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Quantum tunnelling is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Spontaneous punctuated equilibrium is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
The theory of relativity is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Antimatter as a result of black holes is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Photons are not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Different Theories About Creation
In creation vs. evolution, the belief that nothing in the universe is by accident is a more believable concept and is more strongly backed up by scientific knowledge. Measurable evidence of creation vs. evolution indicates that"
http://www.intelligentdesigntheory.info/creat...
You have absolutely no grasp of science....and neither does your sources

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80600 Mar 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_rhodesiensi...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_ev...
These are the most accurate sources you can find online. There are no other sources that show more information.
Cybele, not all samples can be dated accurately. The problems with Rhodesian man were openly admitted. Some of the dates are based upon other fossils and can be rather indeterminate as a result. I cannot access the original articles that the Wiki article was based upon.

It is also important to remember that the various species did not live serially or one after another. Several of them existed at the same time. They appeared and went extinct at different times, but there is no reason that you could not have homo erectus, homo sapiens, and homo rhodesiensis all at the same time.

Or as the saying goes: "If we are descended from Europeans why can you still find people in Europe?"

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#80601 Mar 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Cybele, not all samples can be dated accurately. The problems with Rhodesian man were openly admitted. Some of the dates are based upon other fossils and can be rather indeterminate as a result. I cannot access the original articles that the Wiki article was based upon.
It is also important to remember that the various species did not live serially or one after another. Several of them existed at the same time. They appeared and went extinct at different times, but there is no reason that you could not have homo erectus, homo sapiens, and homo rhodesiensis all at the same time.
Or as the saying goes: "If we are descended from Europeans why can you still find people in Europe?"
I never questioned anything about different species living together like the neanderthals and homo sapiens.

My point was, if the rhodesian men lived long enough, spanning 3 different epochs, then how come there are no real evidence and yet there are evidence for fossils that predated rhodesians.

And why is the kabwe skull a replica? What is the point of that?

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#80602 Mar 12, 2013
I meant to say 'existing' at the same time, not actually living together...lol

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Everett, WA

#80603 Mar 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I never questioned anything about different species living together like the neanderthals and homo sapiens.
My point was, if the rhodesian men lived long enough, spanning 3 different epochs, then how come there are no real evidence and yet there are evidence for fossils that predated rhodesians.
And why is the kabwe skull a replica? What is the point of that?
Fossilization of land based animals is extremely hit and miss. There could easily be fairly popular species that we have very few fossils of and not very populous species that we have several fossils of.

There is no law of fossilization that say animals have to be preserved.

There could be species or subspecies that we never find.

And I did not read enough to know what the kabwe skull is.
Wow

United States

#80604 Mar 12, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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You write:
"Both evolution and Intelligent Design Theory should be taught in school.
We already teach evolution because we KNOW it to be true. If you want to teach creationism/religion in school make a separate class. Creationism/religion is folklore....NOT science by any stretch of the imagination.
You write:
"Belief in evolution causes one to wonder if he or she will cease to exist or will suffer torture eternally in hell.
No, this is a lie. Why should they fear Hell unless you sick people lodge this in their conscious. There is no hell....or heaven for that matter.
You say it's a lie. You say it's folklore. You know they taught Pluto to be a planet until 5 or 6 years ago. Science is not without flaw. They discredit theories and things known to be "facts" often. Fact is science does not offer proof without question the "how"
Evolution you say? Why one species to evolve to that with the intelligence of the human level yet no other species? No other species can homogenize milk, build a cell phone, transplant a heart, create devices like pacemakers, bypass machines etc. Apes still throw their own feces yet we are "evolved" they aren't? Ridiculousness
Wow

United States

#80605 Mar 12, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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You have absolutely no grasp of science....and neither does your sources
It seems to me, you are the one lacking sir with all due respect.

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#80606 Mar 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Fossilization of land based animals is extremely hit and miss. There could easily be fairly popular species that we have very few fossils of and not very populous species that we have several fossils of.
There is no law of fossilization that say animals have to be preserved.
There could be species or subspecies that we never find.
And I did not read enough to know what the kabwe skull is.
When I first saw it, alien came to mind. Why is that? And then I go find a video on you tube on Kabwe skull, and it did talk about aliens. Strange.

Either the aliens planted them or the Europeans shot them. lol

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Nehwon

#80607 Mar 12, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Then a machine with no eyes, brain or mind stands a better chance to reconstruct the past?
You are a clown( tramp)!
So you are saying a person is a better eyewitness than camera with audio?

If I was a prosecutor, I'd be delighted to have you. No better way to bump up my numbers than to get fools like you to sit on a jury.

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Nehwon

#80608 Mar 12, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Paul was the first marketing and advertising executive.
Can't say he was the first, but longest lasting and profitable venture capital risk? Take a look at the treasures of the Vatican and Protestant subsidiaries to see how the returns worked out.

It's a shame that Jesus didn't exploit his God omniscience to create an omnibenevolent religious monopoly without the use of secular military force. Mysterious ways, indeed.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#80609 Mar 12, 2013
Wow wrote:
<quoted text>
You say it's a lie. You say it's folklore. You know they taught Pluto to be a planet until 5 or 6 years ago. Science is not without flaw. They discredit theories and things known to be "facts" often. Fact is science does not offer proof without question the "how"
Evolution you say? Why one species to evolve to that with the intelligence of the human level yet no other species? No other species can homogenize milk, build a cell phone, transplant a heart, create devices like pacemakers, bypass machines etc. Apes still throw their own feces yet we are "evolved" they aren't? Ridiculousness
You're a fool. You need to take some science classes, read some books, do something to bring your IQ level up a bit.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#80610 Mar 13, 2013
Wow wrote:
If I take my watch apart, every piece... Place it into a brown paper sack and stand shaking the bag until it is again, functioning exactly as before, perfectly back together and in motion with the correct time etc.. How long do I have to stand there and shake that bag? This is what "science" would have you to believe everything "came to be" as with the Big Bang THEORY. It takes more faith to believe that than it does for me to believe in an intelligent design. Don't put so much "faith" in science as it has been flawed throughout history. Once upon a time there was an atom, the smallest thing known to man... Then they split it open and more small stuff spewed out, discrediting the atom being the smallest. Point is, we learn more and more daily... There is a place for logic and faith. Passing judgemental comments amongst one another will not mend fences only offer a path of destruction. There will always be believers and nonbelievers everyone of us hold an obligation to be humanitarians and cohabit without such contempt for one another.
AHA, the old watchmaker fallacy:

"The watchmaker analogy, watchmaker fallacy, or watchmaker argument, is a teleological argument. By way of an analogy, the argument states that design implies a designer. The analogy has played a prominent role in natural theology and the "argument from design," where it was used to support arguments for the existence of God and for the intelligent design of the universe.
The most famous statement of the teleological argument using the watchmaker analogy was given by William Paley in his 1802 book. The 1859 publication of Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection put forward an alternative explanation for complexity and adaptation, and so provided a counter-argument to the watchmaker analogy. Richard Dawkins referred to the analogy in his 1986 book The Blind Watchmaker giving his explanation of evolution."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analo...

The 747 in a junkyard fallacy:

Hoyle's Fallacy, sometimes called the junkyard tornado, is a term for Fred Hoyle's statistical analysis applied to evolutionary origins, in which he compares the probability of cellular life evolving to the chance of a tornado "sweeping through a junkyard" and assembling a functional aeroplane.[1][2][3] Similar observations predate Hoyle and have been found all the way back to Darwin's time.[1]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoyle 's_fallacy

Your crappy watch argument has been around since 1802 or thereabouts.

You know, you need to think about this: The theory/fact of evolution has been around since 1859 and has been attacked constantly, EVERY DAY since then. However all the scientific organizations on EARTH stand by it and recognize that it is true.

Do you think these scientists many of whom hold PhD's and Masters degrees in their field and spend their whole life learning and practicing science, don't know more than you about evolution and related fields?

Do you really think scientists are just yahoo's making stuff up?

Come on, answer that.

Show us your ignorance.

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#80611 Mar 13, 2013
They thought it to be a Planet? Who are they and who changed the dwarf from it's position anyway?

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#80612 Mar 13, 2013
They took Pluto and placed him in a different group does anyone know why?

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#80613 Mar 13, 2013
IQ intellectual questions...

and answers too...

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#80614 Mar 13, 2013
So what was Pluto a Giant at one time or what?

Down here he's considered a cartoon dog...

Do dogs drive in heaven???

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