Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Mar 10, 2013
 
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Actually the Earth is an oblate spheroid with an uneven surface. Circles are flat.

The Bible calls it a flat square circle which rests fixed and unmoving on foundations hanging upon nothing at the center of a geocentric universe which revolves around it.
Untrue, a translation calls or a circle others call it a sphere.

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That's the same way N----- just "sounds" bigoted. No excuses.
Wrong, context is everything. So a black person using the N word is a racist. Or for that matter how about Mark Twain?

That term may sound antisemitic but it isn't when you read it in context.

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Wrong, try again.
are you saying that atheists do not look for fault in the bible?
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Mar 10, 2013
 
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>No that is not it.

Jesus predicted the wrong amount of time that he would be dead.

That is a pretty big fail on his part if he was God. Or even the son of God.
Not all. Jesus was killed an a long weekend so to say. Many items point this out to be a Passover Sabbath.
(Wednesday not Friday death)

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His-truth wrote:
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I couldn't care less about evolution .. micro or macro ... it's in your corner to debunk design .. are you willing to do that ??
The fact that there is no evidence supporting your "design," creationism in other words, makes your entire point debunked by default. You debunked it yourself when you presented zero evidence.

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you say wrong...but fail to point anything out.
You thought you had the answer. You didn't. Do you need to know how you were wrong?

I will give you a hint, atheists do not try to "disprove" the existence of god.

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you say wrong...but fail to point anything out.
Couldn't possibly be because you fail to actually read anything more than one sentence.
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<quoted text>Actually the Earth is an oblate spheroid with an uneven surface. Circles are flat.

The Bible calls it a flat square circle which rests fixed and unmoving on foundations hanging upon nothing at the center of a geocentric universe which revolves around it.
"The Bible calls it a flat square circle"

No it doesn't only a fool could believe this crap.

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33.33333333%
Mutations can be successful, neutral, or detrimental.
We're all born with over 100 mutations that neither of our parents have. Even creationists accept this. If you claim you're different then you were either genetically engineered or simply not human.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apoptosis
"Apoptosis (pron.:/&#716;Šp&#601; &#712;to&#650;s&#6 18;s/ also pron.:/&#716;e&#618;p &#596;&#720;p&#712 ;to&#650;s&#618;s/)[2] [3] is the process of programmed cell death (PCD) that may occur in multicellular organisms.[4] Biochemical events lead to characteristic cell changes (morphology) and death. These changes include blebbing, cell shrinkage, nuclear fragmentation, chromatin condensation, and chromosomal DNA fragmentation.(See also apoptotic DNA fragmentation.)
In contrast to necrosis, which is a form of traumatic cell death that results from acute cellular injury, apoptosis, in general, confers advantages during an organism's life cycle. For example, the differentiation of fingers and toes in a developing human embryo occurs because cells between the fingers apoptose; the result is that the digits are separate. Unlike necrosis, apoptosis produces cell fragments called apoptotic bodies that phagocytic cells are able to engulf and quickly remove before the contents of the cell can spill out onto surrounding cells and cause damage."
So I don't think you're referring to the correct thing here.
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First of all, we're ALL "mutants". Second you don't demonstrate natural selection in an individual. It is demonstrated in populations. Your statement indicates a lack of understanding of the terminology involved.
Where did you come up with the magic number 33.3333%

I was referring to programmed cell death. Just like we have beneficial mutations, apoptosis can also have an advantage. But that doesn't mean my question or my understanding of it is wrong. Please define how we are ALL mutants given the fact that taxonomy says organisms belongs in many different species. Define species. How can you say we can't demonstrate natural selection in an individual and then goes on to say that we are all mutants. Natural selection is a fact in nature that is 'within' a species. But this definition has been distorted to fit in with lie of Darwin's theory by claiming it can only be demonstrated in a population and not the individual.

"Natural selection is the process by which biological organisms with favorable traits survive and reproduce more successfully than organisms that do not possess such traits, and, conversely, organisms with deleterious traits survive and reproduce less successfully than organisms lacking such deleterious traits."

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Nat...

Do you mean to say that by examining an individual, we can't prove if that individual has favorable or unfavorable traits and whether she can or cannot successfully reproduce even if she's ovulating? lol

Okay let's go with your true definition. Can you demonstrate natural selection in this mutant population?

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The Dud wrote:
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"The Bible calls it a flat square circle"
No it doesn't only a fool could believe this crap.
Wow! Right for once. Only a fool would believe the crap in the Bible. I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Subduction Zone wrote:
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You thought you had the answer. You didn't. Do you need to know how you were wrong?
I will give you a hint, atheists do not try to "disprove" the existence of god.
and again...

are you saying that atheists do not look for fault in the bible?

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are you saying that atheists do not look for fault in the bible?
Finding faults in the Bible is not trying to disprove the existence of God.

That is a false dichotomy on your part.

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xxxooxxx wrote:
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and again...
are you saying that atheists do not look for fault in the bible?
Different matter, your claims we do demonstrate are fallacious simply because you are claiming to know something, yet present no evidence. That is dishonest.

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Mar 10, 2013
 
They don't need to look for it, XXXOOXXX, it is pretty widely known stuff.

A better question would be why would people believe in a book full of proven lies and falsehoods?

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Subduction Zone wrote:
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Finding faults in the Bible is not trying to disprove the existence of God.
That is a false dichotomy on your part.
read what I said...I did not say God.

"Because the average atheist has a agenda to disprove the bible.
So the atheist does an in depth search looking for fault...and finds it."

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Different matter, your claims we do demonstrate are fallacious simply because you are claiming to know something, yet present no evidence. That is dishonest.
No need for evidence. God will not be part of your science experiment. It seems that you and the rest of us are part of his experiment.

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Different matter, your claims we do demonstrate are fallacious simply because you are claiming to know something, yet present no evidence. That is dishonest.
So your saying there's no evidence that atheists look for fault in the bible?

really...lol

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xxxooxxx wrote:
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read what I said...I did not say God.
"Because the average atheist has a agenda to disprove the bible.
So the atheist does an in depth search looking for fault...and finds it."
Well, it is still incorrect since "agenda" is not the coorect term.

The reason that atheists look for flaws in the Bible is because of claims of Christians of its perfection. If the Bible is perfect then their beliefs are correct. If the Bible is not perfect their beliefs may be wrong. It is a starting point in the search for the truth.

Remember most atheists in the U.S. started as Christians. The first thing they tend to do is to realize that their former belief has all sorts of flaws in it. They realize that those flaws don't mean that there is no god, it is a starting point that allows them to think logically about the existence of god.

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xxxooxxx wrote:
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and again...
are you saying that atheists do not look for fault in the bible?
We don't have to. Most of 'em have already been found:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald...

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woodtick57 wrote:
They don't need to look for it, XXXOOXXX, it is pretty widely known stuff.
A better question would be why would people believe in a book full of proven lies and falsehoods?
This is fun: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald...

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