Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 220673 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80407 Mar 11, 2013
bohart wrote:
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None of these has even ...REMOTELY caused anything close to life! has it. They are total failures!, you are just a liar for the goo trying to cloak your faith in it with pseudo faith based theories as a cover.You haven't had any credibility here since you stated that something that was alive then dead, couldn't come back to life yet something that was never alive could spring to life.You are simply a victim of willful blindness driven by a locomotive of denial which you will stay on at all costs.
That was not your claim idiot. You said no repeatable science that supports abiogenesis. Those articles show that you are wrong.

And none of them are total failures. Most of them are successes. Why do you make that idiotic claim that they were failures?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#80408 Mar 11, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Yeah, I missed the part about testable repeatable results producing life.
. I missed thetpart where any other theory has any evidence at all...Why would a rational person go ith any other theory that lacks any evidence to even start with?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#80409 Mar 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>. I missed thetpart where any other theory has any evidence at all...Why would a rational person go ith any other theory that lacks any evidence to even start with?
The more accurate theory has not been hypothesized yet.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#80411 Mar 11, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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We've had it for 150 years. Your objections demonstrate you don't even understand the basics. I've had that other post that every single fundie ever has avoided for over 12 months. You guys gonna address it? Not on your nellie.
Of course I could always point you to somewhere like PubMed and you can do a search on "evolution", and you will get over three hundred thousands peer-reviewed scientific papers on the subject. Not one of them making a case for the falsification of the theory of evolution as a whole. This means that since that is irrelevant to you also then the whole theory is all part of one big massive scientific conspiracy. Evidence is irrelevant to you because anyone who provides it is really just making it up because they are part of that same conspiracy or somehow duped by it. And only you know "THE TRUTH!"
So why are you asking for evidence when you have no interest in it anyway?
Why are you being as dishonest as a typical fundie liar for Jesus?
So you agree that I know the truth? lol yay!

The more I learn about the theory of evolution and real science, the more questions I have. But don't worry they are all scientific questions. I will address more later when I come across something else about your lovely theory and I expect you not to be dishonest as a typical evolutionist liar for Darwinist cult. lol

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Since: Jun 12

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#80412 Mar 11, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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And in the end only left yourself even more confused. Since ID *is* nothing more than religious apologetics.(shrug)
Anthony Flew - The Honest Ex-Atheist

Flew was a strong advocate of atheism, arguing that one should presuppose atheism until empirical evidence of a God surfaces. He also criticised the idea of life after death,[3] the free will defence to the problem of evil, and the meaningfulness of the concept of God.[4] In 2003 he was one of the signers of the Humanist Manifesto.[5] However, in 2004 he stated an allegiance to deism, more specifically a belief in the Aristotelian God, stating that in keeping his lifelong commitment to go where the evidence leads, he now believes in the existence of God.[6]

://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fby TwmaJArU

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Since: Jun 12

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#80413 Mar 11, 2013


Works by Antony Flew

A New Approach to Psychical Research (1953)
New Essays in Philosophical Theology (1955) editor with Alasdair Macintyre
Essays in Conceptual Analysis (1956)
Hume's Philosophy of Belief (1961)
Logic And Language (1961) editor
God and Philosophy (1966)
Logic & Language (Second Series)(1966) editor
Evolutionary Ethics (1967)
An Introduction to Western Philosophy – Ideas and Argument from Plato to Sartre (1971)
Body, Mind and Death (1973)
Crime or Disease (1973)
Thinking About Thinking (1975)
Sociology, Equality and Education: Philosophical Essays In Defence Of A Variety Of Differences (1976)
Thinking Straight (1977)(ISBN 978-0-87975-088-6)
A Dictionary of Philosophy (1979) editor, later edition with Stephen Priest
Philosophy, an Introduction (1979)
Libertarians versus Egalitarians (c.1980) pamphlet
The Politics of Procrustes: contradictions of enforced equality (1981)
Darwinian Evolution (1984)
* The Presumption of Atheism (1976). reprinted as God, Freedom and Immortality: A Critical Analysis.(1984)
Examination not Attempted in Right Ahead, newspaper of the Conservative Monday Club, Conservative Party Conference edition, October 1985.
God: A Critical Inquiry (1986)– reprint of God and Philosophy (1966) with new introduction
David Hume: Philosopher of Moral Science (1986) Oxford: Basil Blackwell.
Agency and Necessity (Great Debates in Philosophy)(1987) with Godfrey Norman Agmondis Vesey
Did Jesus Rise From the Dead? The Resurrection Debate (1987) with Gary Habermas
Power to the Parents: Reversing Educational Decline (1987)
Prophesy or Philosophy? Historicism or History? in Marx Refuted, edited by Ronald Duncan and Colin Wilson, Bath,(UK), 1987, ISBN 0-906798-71-X
Readings in the Philosophical Problems of Parapsychology (1987) editor
God, A Critical Inquiry (1988)
Does God Exist?: A Believer and an Atheist Debate (1991) with Terry L. Miethe
A Future for Anti-Racism?(Social Affairs Unit 1992) pamphlet
Atheistic Humanism (1993)(ISBN 978-0-87975-847-9)
Thinking About Social Thinking (1995)
Education for Citizenship (Studies in Education No. 10)(Institute of Economic Affairs, 2000)
Merely Mortal?(2000)
Equality in Liberty and Justice (2001) Transaction Publishers.
Does God Exist: The Craig-Flew Debate (2003) with William Lane Craig (ISBN 978-0-7546-3190-3)
Social Life and Moral Judgment (2003)
God and Philosophy (2005)– another reprint of God and Philosophy (1966) with another new introduction
There is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind (2007) with Roy Abraham Varghese (ISBN 978-0-06-133529-7)

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80414 Mar 11, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Anthony Flew - The Honest Ex-Atheist
Flew was a strong advocate of atheism, arguing that one should presuppose atheism until empirical evidence of a God surfaces. He also criticised the idea of life after death,[3] the free will defence to the problem of evil, and the meaningfulness of the concept of God.[4] In 2003 he was one of the signers of the Humanist Manifesto.[5] However, in 2004 he stated an allegiance to deism, more specifically a belief in the Aristotelian God, stating that in keeping his lifelong commitment to go where the evidence leads, he now believes in the existence of God.[6]
://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fby TwmaJArU
Anthony Flew was a philosopher and not a scientist. His one reason for believing in an Aristotlean god was an argument from ignorance:

" Flew also said: "My one and only piece of relevant evidence [for an Aristotelian God] is the apparent impossibility of providing a naturalistic theory of the origin from DNA of the first reproducing species ...[In fact] the only reason which I have for beginning to think of believing in a First Cause god is the impossibility of providing a naturalistic account of the origin of the first reproducing organisms.' "[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Flew

So you have an old man. Possibly in his dotage staring death in his face and he blinked. Not the best role model to use to try to defeat atheism.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80415 Mar 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Can we understand anything outside our universe, assuming there is an outside when the very laws that we understand may not even be relevant? Effectively an out of context problem on a big scale. I look at it this way, just because a person does not understand a problem does not automatically mean goddidit, it just means that there is more to learn.
Bingo.
ChristineM wrote:
Gravity is one of the fundamental laws of this universe, mass exists therefore gravity exits, in this universe the two are the same. Additional gravity may be leaking in however that gravity must meet the physical laws of this universe.
Possibly. I'd rather defer to Polymath though. Wish he were here.
ChristineM wrote:
In recent times, perhaps the last 2 years or so dark matter has been mapped and what has been mapped accounts for approximately 5/6 of the mass of the mapped volume of the universe, as predicted by the “missing” mass. That dark matter must have a gravitational content otherwise the lensing effect that allowed it to be mapped would not exists.
Agreed.

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Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#80416 Mar 11, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Anthony Flew was a philosopher and not a scientist. His one reason for believing in an Aristotlean god was an argument from ignorance:
" Flew also said: "My one and only piece of relevant evidence [for an Aristotelian God] is the apparent impossibility of providing a naturalistic theory of the origin from DNA of the first reproducing species ...[In fact] the only reason which I have for beginning to think of believing in a First Cause god is the impossibility of providing a naturalistic account of the origin of the first reproducing organisms.' "[21]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Flew
So you have an old man. Possibly in his dotage staring death in his face and he blinked. Not the best role model to use to try to defeat atheism.
but the fact that he did not believe in a personal god, refutes your claim that he was trying to get 'right' before his death.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80417 Mar 11, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Nothing but opinion, no scientific evidence to back it up.To say otherwise is a lie.
So you're saying no-one is conducting research?

If not, it is not a lie.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#80418 Mar 11, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Anthony Flew was a philosopher and not a scientist. His one reason for believing in an Aristotlean god was an argument from ignorance:
" Flew also said: "My one and only piece of relevant evidence [for an Aristotelian God] is the apparent impossibility of providing a naturalistic theory of the origin from DNA of the first reproducing species ...[In fact] the only reason which I have for beginning to think of believing in a First Cause god is the impossibility of providing a naturalistic account of the origin of the first reproducing organisms.' "[21]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Flew
So you have an old man. Possibly in his dotage staring death in his face and he blinked. Not the best role model to use to try to defeat atheism.
I might add that Anthony Flew did not know of the wide existence of DNA in space.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80419 Mar 11, 2013
bohart wrote:
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You liars for the magic goo always say the same thing, we are working on it, we're almost there! there are good leads,it's just a matter of time.Tactics of the lie.
How is pointing out there are people working on the problem a lie? As usual you have a great desire to attempt to smear concepts you do not understand by any methods necessary, despite the fact you have no real argument. The reality is that you find some concepts theologically inconvenient. There is nothing more to it. Your ignorance does not render them invalid.

And it still has no bearing on the validity of evolution, which is really all we care about in the evolution forum.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80420 Mar 11, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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but the fact that he did not believe in a personal god, refutes your claim that he was trying to get 'right' before his death.
Who knows. Only the very immature beliefs of Christians and Muslims has a god that is out to punish you forever if you do not believe in him. His belief may have been his own way of trying to "get right". He still realized the folly of Christianity.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80421 Mar 11, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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I might add that Anthony Flew did not know of the wide existence of DNA in space.
DNA in space? I do not know of that myself. I know the building blocks are there, but did they actually find signs of DNA itself?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80422 Mar 11, 2013
bohart wrote:
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None of these has even ...REMOTELY caused anything close to life! has it. They are total failures!
Then in that case anyone researching abio should all pack up their bags and go home, because Bo has it all figured out.

I suggest you go and ring 'em all and tell them. I'm sure you will be taken seriously and thanked for saving people from wasting money.
bohart wrote:
you are just a liar
Why are you, a known and confirmed liar accusing other people of lying?
bohart wrote:
for the goo trying to cloak your faith in it with pseudo faith based theories as a cover.You haven't had any credibility here since you stated that something that was alive then dead, couldn't come back to life yet something that was never alive could spring to life.You are simply a victim of willful blindness driven by a locomotive of denial which you will stay on at all costs.
Bo? Once you were not alive. Now you are. That is because formerly non-living chemicals have been converted to a living biological organism. As much as you would like to escape this fact, you can't.

Please stop projecting your own failures onto others. Science has never been your strong suit.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80423 Mar 11, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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The more accurate theory has not been hypothesized yet.
Darn. I guess that means we have no way of knowing if it's more accurate yet.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80424 Mar 11, 2013
AyeAmigo wrote:
CREATION HAS A LOT OF SUPPORTING EVIDENCE
EVOLUTIONISTS REFUSE TO EVEN LOOK INTO THE OTHERSIDE
JUST CHECK IT OUT
Linky no worky.

And if you noticed, I have been on each and every thread asking the fundies themselves to present the evidence. And I have also visited many of their sites over the years too.

They still got zip.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80425 Mar 11, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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So you agree that I know the truth? lol yay!
The more I learn about the theory of evolution and real science, the more questions I have. But don't worry they are all scientific questions. I will address more later when I come across something else about your lovely theory and I expect you not to be dishonest as a typical evolutionist liar for Darwinist cult. lol
Don't worry, I don't need to lie for evolution. I leave that to creationists. I may occasionally get some stuff wrong, but it's not very often that a creationist points it out.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80426 Mar 11, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Anthony Flew
Who?(shrug)
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80427 Mar 11, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Works by Antony Flew
Ah, appeal to authority fallacy. Pity the man couldn't back up his theological beliefs with science. And as often as creationists love to bring him up, I'm not convinced he would be flattered by being equated with reality-deniers such as fundamentalist creationists. One can still be a theist and reject fundamentalist creationism.

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