Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 173594 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#80335 Mar 10, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Well, it is still incorrect since "agenda" is not the coorect term.
The reason that atheists look for flaws in the Bible is because of claims of Christians of its perfection. If the Bible is perfect then their beliefs are correct. If the Bible is not perfect their beliefs may be wrong. It is a starting point in the search for the truth.
Remember most atheists in the U.S. started as Christians. The first thing they tend to do is to realize that their former belief has all sorts of flaws in it. They realize that those flaws don't mean that there is no god, it is a starting point that allows them to think logically about the existence of god.
a·gen·da (-jnd)
n. pl. a·gen·das
1. A list or program of things to be done or considered?
LEARNER

New Albany, IN

#80336 Mar 10, 2013
Subdiction Zone wrote:
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Not all. Jesus was killed an a long weekend so to say. Many items point this out to be a Passover Sabbath.
(Wednesday not Friday death)
Thank you for pointing out that there were high day Sabbaths as mentioned in Leviticus 23. A high day Sabbath was not the regular weekly Sabbath day and it was one of seven that could fall on any day of the week. The day before the Sabbath was preperation day just like the Bible said.
The Dude

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#80337 Mar 10, 2013
The Dud wrote:
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"The Bible calls it a flat square circle"
No it doesn't only a fool could believe this crap.
Yet we've already pointed out to Biblical quotes to support those claims. So like we said, either the Bible is NOT literal due to its common usage of parables and metaphors, OR it is incorrect and internally inconsistent.

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#80338 Mar 10, 2013
somebody please come and help these folks http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T7F... .. they're not doing so good

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#80339 Mar 10, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So your saying there's no evidence that atheists look for fault in the bible?
really...lol
So now your dishonesty has extended to making assertions for people.
The Dude

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#80340 Mar 10, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Where did you come up with the magic number 33.3333%
Beneficial, neutral, detrimental. All three are possible.
Cybele wrote:
I was referring to programmed cell death. Just like we have beneficial mutations, apoptosis can also have an advantage. But that doesn't mean my question or my understanding of it is wrong. Please define how we are ALL mutants given the fact that taxonomy says organisms belongs in many different species.
We are all mutants because we are all unique. We are all unique because we all have a unique genome.
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Define species.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species
Cybele wrote:
How can you say we can't demonstrate natural selection in an individual and then goes on to say that we are all mutants. Natural selection is a fact in nature that is 'within' a species. But this definition has been distorted to fit in with lie of Darwin's theory by claiming it can only be demonstrated in a population and not the individual.
Natural selection is not bound by an imaginary species barrier. And it cannot be measured within an individual, only populations.
Cybele wrote:
"Natural selection is the process by which biological organisms with favorable traits survive and reproduce more successfully than organisms that do not possess such traits, and, conversely, organisms with deleterious traits survive and reproduce less successfully than organisms lacking such deleterious traits."
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Nat...
Do you mean to say that by examining an individual, we can't prove if that individual has favorable or unfavorable traits and whether she can or cannot successfully reproduce even if she's ovulating? lol
Of course we can. But those traits can still be passed onto her offspring, if she has any. It is only THEN can we see natural selection in action, by how successfully those favourable or unfavourable traits pass on through the population.

Unless of course she dies first. Possibly due to the result of an unfavourable trait in which case that is natural selection in action. Observed.
Cybele wrote:
Okay let's go with your true definition. Can you demonstrate natural selection in this mutant population?
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...
The Dude

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#80341 Mar 10, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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read what I said...I did not say God.
"Because the average atheist has a agenda to disprove the bible.
So the atheist does an in depth search looking for fault...and finds it."
And they found it because...?

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#80342 Mar 10, 2013
The Dud wrote:
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"The Bible calls it a flat square circle"
No it doesn't only a fool could believe this crap.
Thanks for showing us the level of your intelligence.
The Dude

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#80343 Mar 10, 2013
His-truth wrote:
somebody please come and help these folks http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T7F... .. they're not doing so good
Actually you're not doing so good. Five pages in already and you still haven't been able to tell us what the "scientific theory" of ID is.

You have done a very convincing imitation of a fundie homeschooled teenager though.

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#80344 Mar 10, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Beneficial, neutral, detrimental. All three are possible.
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We are all mutants because we are all unique. We are all unique because we all have a unique genome.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species
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Natural selection is not bound by an imaginary species barrier. And it cannot be measured within an individual, only populations.
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Of course we can. But those traits can still be passed onto her offspring, if she has any. It is only THEN can we see natural selection in action, by how successfully those favourable or unfavourable traits pass on through the population.
Unless of course she dies first. Possibly due to the result of an unfavourable trait in which case that is natural selection in action. Observed.
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http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...
So being unique makes us mutant? Are we of the same species or not? If we are all unique, then there is no need for made up taxonomy in Biology. A bee orchid is not a bee, it's still a flower species. A bee has always been a bee, unless you want it to be like a butterfly. Metamorphosis is not evolution and yet evolution requires a species to morph into another but since it requires millions of years for it to happen, we have NO direct evidence. It is ridiculous because if we are still evolving, there should be plentiful of it in action. The commensalism and amensalism in nature is not random chance whether you want to admit it or not. It is obviously following a natural order and pattern.

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#80345 Mar 10, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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So being unique makes us mutant?...
Yes.

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#80346 Mar 10, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yes.
Does sexual orientation have anything to do with being a particular species? Unique, yes. But, mutant? Let's use that as an example. We haven't found evidence for the gay gene. I'm fine with that. Because it is detrimental in natural selection. So it's not that homosexuality is an abomination, it is devolution. I have no problem with bisexuality because well you get the point.

Now if you factor in health, intelligence, talent, and personality, how is that evidence for evolution? How does that change into another species? Does being biracial or multiracial make one a mutant?

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#80348 Mar 10, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Does sexual orientation have anything to do with being a particular species? Unique, yes. But, mutant? Let's use that as an example. We haven't found evidence for the gay gene. I'm fine with that. Because it is detrimental in natural selection. So it's not that homosexuality is an abomination, it is devolution. I have no problem with bisexuality because well you get the point.
Now if you factor in health, intelligence, talent, and personality, how is that evidence for evolution? How does that change into another species? Does being biracial or multiracial make one a mutant?
Genetics isn't just about finding genes.

Since evolution is directionless there is no such thing as devolution in reality.

Species are defined by a rather gray line determined by the amount of difference in the genetic identity of said species.

Look, if you're just going to dance around the same crap that's already been addressed, why not make yourself look at honest at least and just admit you know nothing scientific on the matter?

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#80349 Mar 10, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Genetics isn't just about finding genes.
Since evolution is directionless there is no such thing as devolution in reality.
Species are defined by a rather gray line determined by the amount of difference in the genetic identity of said species.
Look, if you're just going to dance around the same crap that's already been addressed, why not make yourself look at honest at least and just admit you know nothing scientific on the matter?
No I just want to know your personal insight on what makes you a mutant. But you have not provided scientific evidence for it. You're just angry as usual. More projections.

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#80350 Mar 10, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Unless you're standing on the moon.
Oh by the way, our galaxy will crash into Andromeda.
...don't you know your own science?...it will either merge, or pass through the milky way galaxy...not crash in any definition of the word.

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#80351 Mar 10, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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...don't you know your own science?...it will either merge, or pass through the milky way galaxy...not crash in any definition of the word.
Wow, so you really don't know anything about science.

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#80352 Mar 10, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Ah, the continued fundamentalist argument that ignorance is a virtue.
But since you're dishonest I'd hardly call you "pure of heart".
never claimed to be...just trying to give an honest account of the bible, not the the roman impirerish political view that you and your cohorts try to portray.

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#80353 Mar 10, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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No I just want to know your personal insight on what makes you a mutant. But you have not provided scientific evidence for it. You're just angry as usual. More projections.
You keep typing a lot of words to say you know nothing about science.

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#80354 Mar 10, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Wrong, context is everything. So a black person using the N word is a racist. Or for that matter how about Mark Twain?
That term may sound antisemitic but it isn't when you read it in context.
Then why use the word "jewmagic"?

Read in context, the word was used in a very pejorative way describing jewish belief.

Black people are ignorant when they use the n word to describe themselves.

Twain was wrong to have used the n word.

Anybody using terms like this in my presence gets a swift, accurate, and needed correction.

No excuses. Bigotry expressed in any fashion is wrong.

Use of the word "jewmagic" is deplorable.

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#80355 Mar 10, 2013
WELL FOLKS .. IT'S BEEN FUN ... SORRY YOU MADE NO PROGRESS

does anyone understand what His-truth is babbling about ? Intelligent Design is Creationism dishonestly worded that is not surprising it's a habit of religious people to alter the meanings of words or change the labels in an attempt to make their side seem correct or somehow better than it is It's a lie all the same .. yes .. why do creationists have such hostility to reason and logic .. I simply cannot understand that attitude of theirs .. I have to admit that I have no clue .. I guess not especially when he seems to think that he has asked some questions that no one else can seem to see .. no hostility .. all you are receiving now is well deserved ridicule .. maybe your little nephew can explain to you ho you proved your own theory wrong .. I can see now why His-truth took offense when I used the word creatard in a post of mine where the term was not aimed at him .. ye .. So you're saying ID theory is incapable of naming the designer .. No wonder it's useless.(shrug).. yeah .. maybe we'll see the end times and be rid of you .. What was the point of this post .. At best it seems that you do not understand how our universe works .. werent you the one who said you wanted to have a civilized discussion .. as it seems for the past day or so all you've been doing is making lame jokes towards anyone who disagrees .. This is still incorrect .. Why don't you spend the rest of the day reading gods word in your buybull .. youre spending way to much of your valuable creationist bullshit time on here .. up His-turth definitely got into the wine .. again .. can someone brew him some coffee so he can sober up .. he will still be a fool .. but at least he can write a somewhat legible post then .. Yes I am and with good reason your premise that the opposite of intelligence random is plain incorrect then who or what is the designer and how can we tell ? what exactly is the scientific theory of ID?.. Yes, your approach does not indicate that of an intellectually honest adult. Hence if you receive criticism then it is perhaps justified .. what is the scientific theory of ID?.. What exactly IS the scientific theory of ID who or what is the designer and how can we tell? What mechanism did it use to do whatever it is you think it did and how can we tell? How is design quantified how is C.S.I.(Complex Specified Information) measured ? When and where did it do it ? What observations can be made in regards to ID ? Why is this potentially all-powerful universe-creating) designer apparently incapable of evolution and how were these limits determined scientifically ? what useful scientific predictions does ID make ? How can it be tested ? How can it be falsified ?.. thanks in advance .. and yet another Incomprehensible creationist drivel filled post .. No, they're stupid and only betray that you are an idiot .. this premise is still incorrect .. when your starting premise is still incorrect your entire foundation for your arguments fall .. Now, if you are capable of rational debate it is expected that you are to address our responses to your posts the same way we address yours .. however given your past behaviour it doesn't appear likely, as your posts appear to be consistent with the scientific theory of creationists .. So you are a pedophile .. The coders just randomly toss stuff together .. If Windows was designed by intelligent beings .. it would be Linux .. You've been waiting, waiting, and waiting for the second coming of jesus. Keep on keepin' on .. No, he's a buybull thumping troglodyte .. Neither does he, I fear .. I'd prefer to hear it from your caregiver .. I realize that everything you say feels true when you're stoned and you are blasted .. If arrogance were a crime, you'd be executed

BUT AT LEAST YOU TRIED .. http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T7F...

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