Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216598 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#80285 Mar 10, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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I couldn't care less about evolution .. micro or macro ... it's in your corner to debunk design .. are you willing to do that ??
Debunk 'Design'....are you talking about Intelligent Design???

It's already debunked....the courts determined it was religion. Just creationism renamed.

The only people who cling to it are fundamentalist religionists. They are using it to try to get their dumb-ass religion into science classes in public schools.

It's all an evil plot by the 'Lying for Jesus' club.
Khatru

United States

#80286 Mar 10, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>And where exactly is the top of the world eh?
Which world? There are many worlds.
Only one earth.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80287 Mar 10, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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I couldn't care less about evolution .. micro or macro ... it's in your corner to debunk design .. are you willing to do that ??
Wrong again. Once more you are trying to shift the burden of proof.

If you want to claim "design" you have to define it and provide evidence for it.

Otherwise it is just a lot of hot air that does not mean anything.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80288 Mar 10, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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It's Jesus' blood that cures leprosy, not Doves, don't come up with you're little lies of what the Bible says, even the goat part is way off target.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Leprosy#Supersti...
Carchar king wrote:
It is proven there was a flood as well as if it didn't happen, this earth would be about 75% full of evil people maybe even more.
If there was a flood this Earth would be about 0% full of people, "evil" or otherwise.

Well uh, unless we use magic to rescue that hypothesis that is.
Carchar king wrote:
you are basically saying the Christian religion is idiotic, but why can't we say the same about atheism.
You can. But he specifically said he wasn't calling the whole Bible idiotic. However though most creationists may disagree, Creationism and Christianity aren't necessarily the same thing...
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80289 Mar 10, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Is it moving away from earth as its center?
Relativity suggests that there is no center.

But thanks for demonstrating that there is indeed still geocentrists about.

HERE YA GO CYBELE! HERE'S MIKEY!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80290 Mar 10, 2013
His-truth wrote:
"Which is why creationists now avoid science" ... makes me laugh
Yes, creation "science" is hilarious.

I do have to agree with you on that. That is one of the reasons they are very often called creatards. They definitely do not seem very Christian, they constantly lie.

You seem to be a Christian. I do have a serious question for you:

Is it okay to lie for Jesus?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80291 Mar 10, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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well if you claim to know the bible so much, then you would know that you don't enter into heaven through intellectual knowledge, but through faith.
Jesus referred to the children as the greatest in heaven...not the intellectuals.
...and I believe this is why secretly, that science rejects it so much.
Science values intellectual knowledge above all. God values purity of heart, spirit and faith.
God doesn't care what your IQ is...only whats in your heart.
God has no need for intellectuals...why would he? His knowledge is infinite.
Ah, the continued fundamentalist argument that ignorance is a virtue.

But since you're dishonest I'd hardly call you "pure of heart".

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#80292 Mar 10, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Which world? There are many worlds.
Only one earth.
Do you see what I mean? It's useless to even argue something that is meant to be figurative and attacking it to mean it literally.

Have you gone 'around' the world?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80293 Mar 10, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Yes it is. Science says that the universe has no center, which would imply that the center is relative to the observer. meaning that if your standing on the earth, it is in fact moving away from the earth as it's center.
Unless you're standing on the moon.

Oh by the way, our galaxy will crash into Andromeda.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#80294 Mar 10, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No that is not it.
Jesus predicted the wrong amount of time that he would be dead.
That is a pretty big fail on his part if he was God. Or even the son of God.
Very Big Fail. But then there may not have even been a Jesus. He wasn't needed to redeem mankind from 'Original Sin' And he supposedly did tell his followers that he would be back before they died, and he never made it.

I see him just fading away into the sunset. Another failing of the Christian Church to prove itself.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80295 Mar 10, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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Watch the phraseology "invisible Jewmagic". That phraseology is VERY reminiscent of nazi ideology. The phrase is very antisemetic.
I'd say it's far less anti-semitic than the diatribe often showed to atheists on here. It's also worth keeping in mind that I only make my arguments from a scientific context, I'm not arguing against creationism due to any ill will towards the Jews, Christians, Muslims or whatever. When I use the phrase "invisible Jewmagic" and the like I am doing so in a very literal sense. In that some people on here are claiming science is wrong because things were done totally differently all due to the actions of an invisible magical Jewish wizard. And I can even use Bible quotes to back that up. Is God invisible? Yes. Is God magic? Yes. Is God a wizard? Yes. Is it scientifically feasable? No.

Hence I am only talking about its scientific veracity, nothing more.

Although feel free to go for more ad hom if you like. After all you already tried that with the Darwin on race thing.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80296 Mar 10, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Very Big Fail. But then there may not have even been a Jesus. He wasn't needed to redeem mankind from 'Original Sin' And he supposedly did tell his followers that he would be back before they died, and he never made it.
I see him just fading away into the sunset. Another failing of the Christian Church to prove itself.
Strange, no Christians challenged me on this observation. Perhaps they already knew of this terrible fail. The verse is Matthew 12:40 Where Jesus says that just as Jonah spent three days in the belly of a fish he would spend three days and three nights in the bowels of the Earth. He was in the tomb for only one day and two nights, half the amount of time that he predicted.

http://bible.cc/matthew/12-40.htm

"
New International Version (©1984)
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
New Living Translation (©2007)
For as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish for three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.

English Standard Version (©2001)
For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
for just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
For as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish three days and three nights, so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

International Standard Version (©2012)
because just as Jonah was in the stomach of the sea creature for three days and three nights, so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

And many more.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80297 Mar 10, 2013
His-truth wrote:
Some Bible critics have claimed that Revelation 7:1 assumes a flat earth since the verse refers to angels standing at the “four corners” of the earth. Actually, the reference is to the cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west. Similar terminology is often used today when we speak of the sun's rising and setting, even though the earth, not the sun, is doing the moving. Bible writers used the “language of appearance,” just as people always have. Without it, the intended message would be awkward at best and probably not understood clearly
Thanks for pointing out that the Bible is not to be taken literally.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80298 Mar 10, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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And where exactly is the top of the world eh?
Front of the Titanic?

Not any more though I guess.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80299 Mar 10, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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well .. you think you're a god and know all the answers .. you answer it
And when did he claim supreme knowledge?

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#80300 Mar 10, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Ah, the continued fundamentalist argument that ignorance is a virtue.
But since you're dishonest I'd hardly call you "pure of heart".
Why do you attack someone's personal philosophy? Do you do the same with Buddhism, Taoism, or Pantheism? Whether it was Buddha or Jesus who reached this higher consciousness or nirvana, it's a model for those who want to attain a higher form of awareness of themselves and their world. Do you use the scientific method in every aspect of your life? If a man knocks on your door with a gun, do you think in scientific terms and think rationally or do you instinctively grab your own gun?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80301 Mar 10, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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I couldn't care less about evolution .. micro or macro ...
Yes, I know. That's because creationists are intellectually dishonest.
His-truth wrote:
it's in your corner to debunk design .. are you willing to do that ??
Actually it's in your corner to demonstrate IDC. I don't dispute design as such as we see humans do it every day. And a few other animals too. But as for humans being "designed" by some otherwise unknown intelligence, it has not yet been scientifically demonstrated.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#80302 Mar 10, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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......... wait for it
I'm waiting.....
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#80303 Mar 10, 2013
His-truth wrote:
"Which is why creationists now avoid science" ... makes me laugh
Me too. That's why they still can't get their anti-science claims taken seriously by the scientific community even 150 years later.

Since: Jun 12

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#80304 Mar 10, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You totally missed the point of his post.
Let me ask you a question, perhaps that will help.
Why does the average atheist know more about the Bible than the average Christian?
Because the average atheist has a agenda to disprove the bible.
So the atheist does an in depth search looking for fault...and finds it.

Matthew > Chapter 18 > Verse 19

Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth concerning anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father who is in heaven.

Luke > Chapter 6 > Verse 28

Bless them that curse you...

See... God even help those who don't believe in him.

God is true to his word.

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