Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story

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#80149 Mar 9, 2013
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Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80150 Mar 9, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>Lol.. You lied to me. You said you do not visit atheist sites and here you link to one of the most known atheist who made it part of his life's mission to go around using science to debunk religion. What a tool you are. Science says nothing about religion and debunks nothing outside of stating a scientific path is possible and useful. The verses he quotes are little more then parabols and hyperbole to exaggerate points. His premise is flawed and so is yours as he seriously does not understand the bible.
But you really outdid yourself here. You are saying that a supernatural being took another supernatural being to a high spot and did something that you claim can only be naturally done under the rules you construct so therefor the tales of supernatural beings must be wrong. I find this most humorous as your little mind can't seem to fathom super natural beings doing something super natural. I mean seriously, if you are going to entertain the one, what all the sudden stops you from entertaining the idea of what they did? It's like you are upset because a stripper took her cloths off or something.
Darwin put no nails in any coffin. Do you understand what created means? It means to Bring (something) into existence. The entire premise of evolutionary theory could be part of that creation and you have absolutely no way to scientifically say it wasn't.
And you have the gull to do this out in the open being pretentious and demeaning in the process. Man, you are a riot. Hey, do you do parties, I might like to see you make a complete idiot of yourself in person one of these days. Just make sure you wear your helmet, I don't have insurance to cover you bumping your head again.
No, I said for science that I do not link to atheist sites. And how is that site atheistic? It mere makes fun of a book written by a group of ignorant bronze age sheep humpers. It says nothing about the existence or non-existence of a god or gods.

The fact that your silly beliefs may have been debunked does not make a site atheistic. So that is another fail for you.

I love how believers in nonsense are more than happy to say what amounts to "magic" if their silly beliefs are shown to be wrong.

Okay fool, why did the Devil have to take Jesus anywhere? If he was going to use supernatural powers why didn't he show Jesus the world where they were? That seems a bit silly to claim they had to go somewhere high on the Earth for Devil magic to work.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80151 Mar 9, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>lol.. And here you are making a fool of yourself some more. It's flat because you say so. I get it. You have to keep up your belief because otherwise you lose purpose and self worth and are nothing but a foolish little boy otherwise. But hey, lay off the pipe a bit.
The problem which I do not expect you to be able to understand is that there was a limited language at the time and concepts and namings in modern language wasn't even invented. The wording of the Bible conveys the proper line of thought, you are the one who is hung up on semantics and are wrong. Hey, how many times does the bible mention homosexuality? None because the term was invented after the bible was written. Boy, I'm a riot just like you.
Do you realize that your world view seems to stem from ill guided misunderstandings based on logical fallacies and inherent abilities to ignore known and accepted facts?
No, it is flat because all of the descriptions are of a flat circular Earth in both words used and the context. You do not get to reinterpret the works after the fact in light of "modern" discoveries.

And actually the Bible mentions homosexuality quite a few times. It declares the act as "a man lying with a man".

My god man how incredibly stupid are you?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80152 Mar 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
1. The Bible said the earth is round and is suspended in space:
The earth is round!
You may be surprised to learn that the Bible revealed that the earth is round. Job 26:10, Prov 8:27, Isaiah 40:22, Amos 9:6. Today, we chuckle at the people of the fifteenth century who feared sailing because they thought they would fall over the edge of the flat earth. Yet the Bible revealed the truth in 1000 B.C. 2500 years before man discovered it for himself!
In various verses, the Bible says the earth is round and hangs in space. It took a long time for science to catch up and reach the same conclusions. Copernicus made the discovery in 1475. But the Bible always knew. Here are two related Bible verses that were written more than 2500 years ago, and more than 1000 years before Copernicus:
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth..." (Isaiah 40:22,NIV).(By the way, the Hebrew language at that time did not have a word for "sphere," only for "circle.")
"He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7, NIV).
"Paths of the sea" Matthew Maury (1806-1873) is considered the father of oceanography. He was bed-ridden during a serious illness and asked his son to read a portion of the Bible to him. While listening, he noticed the expression "paths of the sea" in Psalms 8:8. Upon his recovery, Maury took God at his word and went looking for these paths. We are indebted to his discovery of the warm and cold continental currents.
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/ScientificB...
So what exactly do you mean by flat?
There are two ways to be round. It could be round like a flat circle or round like a sphere.

The Jews had words for both a flat circle and a round sphere. Guess which one they always used. Also by context it describes a flat Earth. You cannot hang the "sky over the Earth as a tent" if the world is spherical, it can be done if the Earth is a flat round circle.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80153 Mar 9, 2013
I see that adif has not answered my Ten Commandments question yet. I wonder if he is afraid or has to take the additional time to recheck his Bible. He should have been able to answer the question off the top of his head if he knew his Bible the way that he pretends to.
adif understanding

Lancaster, OH

#80155 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
You idiot, I said the government is supposed to be indifferent to religion.
Why do all creatards have such low reading comprehension? They see a word that they don't like and their poor little overtaxed brains derail.
And no, laws cannot be based upon the Ten Commandments. They may say the same thing as some of the Commandments but if you base a law on the Commandments the odds are very high that it is unconstitutional.
I cannot believe that this idiot missed the point to my entire post.
I quoted exactly what you wrote, you said atheistic. If that is not what you meant to say, or you intended to say something else, then you should have used different words. It is not my fault that you have a problem communicating. Perhaps it is a matter of you learning to think before you speak.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80156 Mar 9, 2013
Cybele, what Matthew Maury and other have done is to find a way to cram science into the Bible by reinterpreting the Bible after the fact.

Muslims pull the same sort of nonsense with the Koran. I do not take them seriously and I don't take Christians seriously when they pull the same nonsense. The same thing is done with nonsense like the prophesies of Nostradamus. Of course the fun thing with historical events is that the same "prophecy" can come true several times. The same prophecy has been applied to the Twin Towers, Adolf Hitler, a Pope or two, and European royalty. Nostradamus really did not predict any of those events. Reinterpreting something after the fact does not impress me at all. I am more impressed with the terribly failed prophecies in the Bible.

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#80157 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
There are two ways to be round. It could be round like a flat circle or round like a sphere.
The Jews had words for both a flat circle and a round sphere. Guess which one they always used. Also by context it describes a flat Earth. You cannot hang the "sky over the Earth as a tent" if the world is spherical, it can be done if the Earth is a flat round circle.
which bible verse are you referring to that points to a round flat earth?
adif understanding

Lancaster, OH

#80158 Mar 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
If you read his statement he said
"Yet creationists tend not to believe that the Earth is flat" lol
Maybe a typo. But we all know it's a lie. There's not one creationist here that claims the Earth is flat or that is in a geocentric universe. He's digging into the past ape civilization and no one here is talking about a flat earth. In fact many creationists here talk about the laws of physics, scientific theories, quotes Einstein and other scientists, refutes evolution with real science, but they refuse to acknowledge that fact.
I don't know why he loves saying creationists think the Earth is flat. Mathematicians such as Eratosthene estimated the size of the Earth. The ancient Greeks tried to measure the circumference of the earth, then later determined the diameter. The Egyptians built the pyramids that coincided with the distances of Earth to the Sun and Orion, and measurements of the Earth. Many of the ancient civilizations learned astronomy and scientists today are still baffled about how they did it without the use of technology we have today.
So the only person saying the Earth is flat is the evolutionists using it as an ad hominem.
You are right.

They are using the fact that the languages are different enough- that we have more words to be more precise now that simply did not exist in the lexicon when the bible was written or translated in order to keep his claims alive.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80159 Mar 9, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>I quoted exactly what you wrote, you said atheistic. If that is not what you meant to say, or you intended to say something else, then you should have used different words. It is not my fault that you have a problem communicating. Perhaps it is a matter of you learning to think before you speak.
I also put "atheist" in quotes to indicate it was not the traditional use of the word. Do I need to quote my own post to show how idiotically wrong you were?

I have no problem communicating. Creatards have a problem with reading. Not only of my posts, if that were so you might have a point. But of everybody's posts and scientific articles too.

Perhaps you should learn how to read before you respond.
adif understanding

Lancaster, OH

#80160 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
What is funny about the Ten Commandments is that the people who try to get the Ten Commandments into courtrooms normally get them wrong.
Now of course there are many laws in the Bible. When I talk about the Ten Commandments I am talking about the ones that were supposedly carved in stone by God. Not just any laws of God's of which there were hundreds.
So let's see how big of an idiot adif is when it comes to the Ten.
In modern day slang English, what would be the Tenth Commandment:
1. Goes to chruch
2. Don't boink the neighbors wife.
3. No Cheezebergerz!
4. Don't poop in the camp.
And yes, I know the wording is terrible, but of those 4 which one best represents the Tenth Commandment carved in stone?
Why do you act like you are a moron? I mean seriously, why? Posing a question that can easily be looked up as your question is being read along with the asinine possibilities you list sort of lowers everyone's IQ by 10 points just being on the same internet as you.

I know you really don't have anything productive to add so you find your self worth in attempting but failing to ridicule people as well as spouting the inaccuracies you are somehow convinced of. Doesn't it get old though? Or are you that special kind of person who can stare at a wall all day long?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80161 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
You are going downhill badly.
1. Darwin's theory has nothing to do whether there is a god or not.
I am sure that you are a Christian. Why do you think that it is okay for you to lie about the believers in evolution.
2. Hedonism and atheism are two totally separate ideas. You can be a hedonist if you are a Christian or an atheist. Again to imply a connection between atheism and hedonism to to perpetuate a lie.
3. Government is supposed to be "atheistic" in the U.S. in the sense that laws are not to be based upon religion. It is not supposed to be "atheistic" in the not believing in god sense. Just as physics is "atheistic" when it describes the gravity or the laws of thermodynamics. God does not belong in science unless there is evidence of god.
Lastly atheism is not a belief properly speaking.
It is a lack of belief.
Is not playing football a sport?
In the same sense atheism is not a religion. When it comes to beliefs the burden of proof is upon the person making the positive claim. In that sense I can defend a belief in the theory of evolution since there are literally mountains of evidence that support the theory. Most creationists do not even know what evidence is so they need to be educated in that matter first.
So when it comes to your belief in god if you want to use that as a claim you need to submit evidence for the existence of got first. We do not need to disprove the existence of god.
Here, adif. You can read it again here. Or go to page 3796 and read it for yourself.

You can see very clearly in my third point where I put the word atheistic in quotes and even defined how I was using the word.

How is that not crystal clear?

It seems that you have a problem whenever you see the word "atheism".
adif understanding

Lancaster, OH

#80162 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
The word was "incompatible" not "incomparable" moron. That means that they cannot breed with each other. Your dog example is incredibly bad since they can still breed. They are not ring species yet, whereas natural ring species have no "artificial" limits upon them.
lol.. Moron- what the hell are you talking about? Are you just grabbing posts and positing incoherent ramblings now thinking that you can somehow win by attrition or something? OF course the dogs can breed, that is what I said, why they are considered a ring species and claims of incompatibilities exist when that is only true if you limit the breed to club definitions and ignore all the genetically identical dogs that are of the same breed, is beyond me. Evidently, it is all lost on you too.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80163 Mar 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
which bible verse are you referring to that points to a round flat earth?
Here are a few: Daniel 4:10-11, Matthew 4:8, Luke 4:5, Isaiah 11:12, and Revelation 7:1.

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#80164 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Cybele, what Matthew Maury and other have done is to find a way to cram science into the Bible by reinterpreting the Bible after the fact.
Muslims pull the same sort of nonsense with the Koran. I do not take them seriously and I don't take Christians seriously when they pull the same nonsense. The same thing is done with nonsense like the prophesies of Nostradamus. Of course the fun thing with historical events is that the same "prophecy" can come true several times. The same prophecy has been applied to the Twin Towers, Adolf Hitler, a Pope or two, and European royalty. Nostradamus really did not predict any of those events. Reinterpreting something after the fact does not impress me at all. I am more impressed with the terribly failed prophecies in the Bible.
The same thing can be said with history books. If you could say that about the bible, then you would find bias in history content in many books as well. Do you believe everything about what they teach in history?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80165 Mar 9, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>You are right.
They are using the fact that the languages are different enough- that we have more words to be more precise now that simply did not exist in the lexicon when the bible was written or translated in order to keep his claims alive.
Wrong, we are even more accurate now and we know that is not the case.

When the O.T. was translated into English for the King James Version they already knew that the Earth was spherical if anything they tried to squeeze the Bible into modern day, actually Middle Ages knowledge.

I love it how creationists always try to project their faults onto others.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80166 Mar 9, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>lol.. Moron- what the hell are you talking about? Are you just grabbing posts and positing incoherent ramblings now thinking that you can somehow win by attrition or something? OF course the dogs can breed, that is what I said, why they are considered a ring species and claims of incompatibilities exist when that is only true if you limit the breed to club definitions and ignore all the genetically identical dogs that are of the same breed, is beyond me. Evidently, it is all lost on you too.
Another reading fail by adif.

Once again, you were the idiot who said "incomparable" when the poster you were responding to used the word "incompatible". That meant the animals he was talking about could not breed. You were the idiot who brought up dogs and tried to claim they were ring species too. They aren't. Only a creatard would try to claim that they were.

How many times do you have to shoot yourself in the foot before you limp away?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#80167 Mar 9, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you act like you are a moron? I mean seriously, why? Posing a question that can easily be looked up as your question is being read along with the asinine possibilities you list sort of lowers everyone's IQ by 10 points just being on the same internet as you.
I know you really don't have anything productive to add so you find your self worth in attempting but failing to ridicule people as well as spouting the inaccuracies you are somehow convinced of. Doesn't it get old though? Or are you that special kind of person who can stare at a wall all day long?
Afraid to answer the question moron?

Yes, you could go look it up. I bet you still get it wrong.

Go.

“In God we trust”

Level 7

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#80168 Mar 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, but (a) God would not be bound by Einstein's equations, as it would exist in some sort of multiverse (heaven perhaps?) while making our universe, and perhaps others. Scientists already suspect that if other universes exist they could have different laws of physics at play in each. And as for evolution having no direction, well that's not a problem either. God could either be guiding it in a manner we're unaware of, or it could simply be playing dice.
Of course the nature of (a) God is still nothing more than philosophical speculation and can't be considered scientific until the fundies manage to come up with a falsifiable concept.
Don't come up with you're fancy scientific language, God is proven, scientists go with evolution more but God has been proven to exist.
adif understanding

Lancaster, OH

#80169 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I said for science that I do not link to atheist sites. And how is that site atheistic? It mere makes fun of a book written by a group of ignorant bronze age sheep humpers. It says nothing about the existence or non-existence of a god or gods.
The fact that your silly beliefs may have been debunked does not make a site atheistic. So that is another fail for you.
I love how believers in nonsense are more than happy to say what amounts to "magic" if their silly beliefs are shown to be wrong.
Okay fool, why did the Devil have to take Jesus anywhere? If he was going to use supernatural powers why didn't he show Jesus the world where they were? That seems a bit silly to claim they had to go somewhere high on the Earth for Devil magic to work.
lol.. You don't know who Schadewald is? Perhpas you are not stupid by choice and just hopelessly ignorant of relevant facts. Go look him up.

I bet you are sitting there stewing in your own juices thinking your goat humping comment will upset me or something. I love the tactics idiots employ when they have nothing useful to add. It reminds me of retarded children wanting more attention. Proof by all means that there is a god.

Why did the did the Devil have to take Jesus anywhere? Because that is what is claimed to have happened. You know, I purchased gasoline for my car at the gas station on the other side of town today. I didn't have to drive past the 3 or 4 other stations on the way, but I did because I wanted to. Are you now going to insist that I did so because I could only get gas across town or something? I mean your arbitrary assertions have no basis of necessity here. Things are done because they were done.

Now you are claiming that because two super natural beings did a supernatural act, that you have magically proved everything wrong and the fact that super natural beings doing super natural things is preposterous. You are a fool, a tool.

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