Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#80063 Mar 9, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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you might as well pointed out a rock...I'm talking the system as integrated working system as a whole. including gravity and rocks...
Unless you can provide observable mechanisms of intelligence then I'd say that gravity is, so far, a non-intelligent process.

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#80064 Mar 9, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I don't presume nothing. I just a observe. And what I do observe is an uncomprehensible obvious intelligence universe.
You should check out Answersingenesis, too:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/t...

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#80065 Mar 9, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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nope sorry your wrong. This was covered before.
No.
It was ignored before.
By the massively ignorant.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#80066 Mar 9, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>And it has been proven that evolution is not science, not illogical religious dogma. Which is why I've always argued AGAINST equating evoltuion with science, when it is a religion of a social nature with no scientific basis.
I've demonstrated otherwise.
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
If I told you that the proof that God is God and always was, is the fact that his earth and his creation man are still here, you owuld cry foul, but that is what you do with your evolution religious dogma.
Proof is only for math, even you pointed that out. Remember? Now, if you had scientific evidence I would consider it.
adif understanding

Lancaster, OH

#80067 Mar 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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And I've said from the beginning that theism is irrelevant to science. Which is why I've always argued AGAINST equating evolution (or science in general) with atheism.
I'm glad that you feel that way. However, it is not the case with many who do use Science to further their Atheism. In fact, all you have to do is read other posts in this thread to see it in action.

I guess if you don't want to be called a thug, tell the thugs to get away from you or go where they are not. But as long as you are around them saying the same or similar things, you will be viewed as one of them even if it is a mistake.

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#80068 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
Oh that's right .. from the gue .. to the zoo .. to you ... OOooops !!.. http://www.gty.org/MediaPlayer/Sermons/80-367 .. then there was man
That's really not how it works, you know.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#80069 Mar 9, 2013
bohart wrote:
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You've done nothing but lie hundreds of times. Tell me again how a maternity ward is proof of abiogenesis? You puddle gooist fundie.
I never lied to you. You have. Like now for instance. I never claimed a maternity ward is proof of abiogenesis, I pointed out that it was evidence of natural chemical processes producing life. Abiogenesis proposes natural chemical processes producing life. You claim natural chemical processes producing life is impossible. You are unable to demonstrate it of course.

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#80070 Mar 9, 2013
DARWIN = the atheist messiah
EVOLUTION = the atheist religion
HEDONISM = the atheist life style
GOVERNMENT = the atheist church (pending)
just because they say it's not a religion does not mean it's not a religion .. the religion of no-religion .. the first church of no-belief ... until atheists can prove their religious belief .. it will stay a belief ... much much much faith required ... I find some atheists more militant evangelical than most religious folks
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#80071 Mar 9, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Well then for the 572nd time tell me and all humanity how chemistry brought about the first life? Or else your lying!
Abio is still under investigation. I'm not lying though. However abio is still irrelevant to the scientific validity of evolution.

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#80072 Mar 9, 2013
atheist ( April ) fools day .. coming up soon .. a national holiday ?? I think it should be

I think for this years atheist fools day joke .. I'm going to attend my favorite band / concert .. when it's over .. I'm going to climb up on the stage and thank the instruments and amplifiers for making such great sound .. Ha !! won't that be funny ???.. Ha !!! LOL LOL .... oh, ya killn me
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#80073 Mar 9, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>The fact that I know so much about biology is proven by your fear in attempting to provide any biological evidence for evolution. It is a circular argument, biology proves evolution, evolution proves biology
But I have not made the latter claim. Therefore it's not circular.
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
but there can be no science in it since science does not deal in proves.
And I've never claimed "proof", only evidence. And in fact I've tried to explain the proof thing to xxxoooxxx and bohart many times, but they don't get it either.
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
Dude, all I see from you are copy/paste which you do not comprehend. If you did, then you would know that they prove or evidence nothing.
All you see is what you want to see. But what I don't see from you is any rational rebuttal, evidence against it, nor even any basic understanding.

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#80074 Mar 9, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>If we are going to try it again, then lets be accurate. Parts of biological evolution theory is observed and demonstrated but it certainly is not completely observed and demonstrated in it's entirety.
Absent any evidence for or against a deity is no reason to have or not to have an opinion on the diety in the first place. It certainly is not reason to not believe in one if you do choose. The evidence most people have are not the type you can articulate easily and stem from personal experiences. Your lack of belief is no reason for them not to. There is nothing unscientific about it.
My "lack of belief"?

If by that you mean my reluctance to accept your hallucinations as my own, okay.

Point of fact: the fossil record provides a clear and demonstrated line of descent from the earliest life-forms to the most recent.

The geological column provides an accurate time frame for the same.

There is absolutely NO reason to inject a deity into the process.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#80075 Mar 9, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, clown, you admit to a C. I never got an F in my entire life. So sorry, I went to UCLA and USC on an academic scholarship. I forgot rote learning when I was like 8 years old, and learned analyitical thinking at age 7, creative processing at age 8 and brain expansion at age 10.
Yeah, and there's a guy called HTS on another thread who claimed to have 4 years medical training, but that was quickly shot down. You could be all sorts of smarts, but as long as you keep asking us to present evidence of broken nested hierarchy then you know jack about biology.

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#80076 Mar 9, 2013
Where Did the Information Come From?

Darwin’s Dilemma explores one of the great mysteries in the history of life: The geologically-sudden appearance of dozens of major complex animal types in the fossil record without any trace of the gradual transitional steps Charles Darwin had predicted. Frequently described as “the Cambrian Explosion,” the development of these new animal types required a massive increase in genetic information.“The big question that the Cambrian Explosion poses is where does all that new information come from?” says Dr. Stephen Meyer, a featured expert in the documentary and author of the book Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design ... http://www.darwinsdilemma.org/ .. continue

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#80077 Mar 9, 2013
“This is a very effective way to present both the theory of intelligent design and the weaknesses of Darwinian evolution in a classroom or any other educational setting.”

A six-part educational series exploring the theory of intelligent design

Where Does the Evidence Lead was created for classroom, group, and individual study. It is based upon the content of Unlocking the Mystery of Life and examines both Darwinian evolution and the scientific case for intelligent design. Six modules (eight to fourteen minutes in duration) each present a specific facet of the debate over the theories of materialistic evolution and design ... http://www.wheredoestheevidencelead.com/ .. continue
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#80078 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
DARWIN = the atheist messiah
Agnostic when he died, last I heard.
His-truth wrote:
EVOLUTION = the atheist religion
You are incorrect.

http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/
His-truth wrote:
HEDONISM = the atheist life style
And the evangelical creationist lifestyle - "And Jesus came to me and said get me $18 million by the weekend!"
His-truth wrote:
GOVERNMENT = the atheist church (pending)
Translation: It's not a theocracy.
His-truth wrote:
just because they say it's not a religion does not mean it's not a religion .. the religion of no-religion .. the first church of no-belief ... until atheists can prove their religious belief .. it will stay a belief ... much much much faith required ... I find some atheists more militant evangelical than most religious folks
Sure there's militant atheists. There's a guy who calls himself 'Skeptic' on these boards. I call him Skippy. He's an idiot.

That's got little to do with this thread though.

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#80079 Mar 9, 2013
THIS IS GREAT .. Origin of Life Video | New Scientific Evidence for Existence of God | 7 Great Lies of Organized Religion
Random Mutation Generator | If You Can Read This, I Can Prove God Exists | Atheist's Riddle vs. Atheists | Blog .. http://perry.fingerprints.s3.amazonaws.com/in... .. continue
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#80080 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
Where Did the Information Come From?
Darwin’s Dilemma explores one of the great mysteries in the history of life: The geologically-sudden appearance of dozens of major complex animal types in the fossil record without any trace of the gradual transitional steps Charles Darwin had predicted. Frequently described as “the Cambrian Explosion,” the development of these new animal types required a massive increase in genetic information.“The big question that the Cambrian Explosion poses is where does all that new information come from?” says Dr. Stephen Meyer, a featured expert in the documentary and author of the book Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design
Unfortunately they have no evidence for ID. As for the Cambrian explosion, that's not a sudden increase of genetic information, but a sudden increase in fossils. That's due to the development of hard-bodied shells as opposed to the soft-bodied organisms that went before. Just as evolution would predict.

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#80081 Mar 9, 2013
atheist religious doctrine 101 = We have convinced ourselves that God does not exist .. therefore .. man is the highest authority and the center of the universe .. in other words: each atheist is like a little god unto himself .. determining for himself the definitions of right and wrong . . . totally subjective

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#80082 Mar 9, 2013
atheist religious doctrine 102 = Because we believe there is no God .. Human life is therefore not sacred and can be exterminated given the proper circumstance / rationalization and will ..
40+ years of legalized abortion ??.. and some might wonder why we have a generation of youth that would take what you have and kill you without a second thought

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