Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 222739 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“the end-times is now”

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#79938 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote: Go ahead. Finish your foolish claim. I am waiting
His-truth wrote: so .. are you admitting you are unaware of the third element ... Y/N ... then I will continue
your turn Subduction ..... go
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#79939 Mar 9, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>I love it when they lie, it proves that their evolution is a religion.
I love it when creationists lie, which they do pretty much all the time. The difference is that you cannot demonstrate I lied. That's because I didn't.

I MIGHT be wrong, but that's different from lying.
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
Next they will claim time travel and claim that scientist traveled back millions of years and saw Jurassic rat turn into a human.
Actually I would not. Since that would be a violation of nested hierarchies. Something you would know if you knew anything about the subject. So tell me, why is it creationists think that a complete and total lack of biological education makes a valid foundation for critiquing biology?

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#79940 Mar 9, 2013
life stands on three legs . . . remove one of any .. life cannot exist
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#79941 Mar 9, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>The basis of their theory "black holes" is also outside of time and space, which is why these juveniles are scrambling to hold on. Real scientists are saying oops, the lakc of information regarding black holes, time and space, renders evolution and the big bang as useless.
Um, no. Evolution is not in any way dependent upon the Big Bang or black holes.
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
Relativity, time, space, and physics all fail when they try to quanitfy infinity and/or eternity. Fact is, most do not know the difference and it can't be explained without relying on God.
"God" explains nothing. It is a "who", not a "how". And based on no evidence. Contrary to your claims science is not dependent in any way on invisible Jewmagic, and invisible Jewmagic is totally useless to science.

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Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#79942 Mar 9, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>The whole idea of time, space and physics really screws with evolutionists. Yet, even time on the moon is not the same as on earth. In fact, time does not function the same in higher altitudes as in lower altitudes.
Even dumb evolutionist say that the sun, moon and earth evolved, which means that all that existed prior to that was not time or space and not measureable.
so time does not function the same at higher altitudes than lower?? Really, do you have any empirical evidence to support that statement?? Other than when you are completely stoned everything seems to go slower???

as for the sun, Earth and Moon "evolving", I'm assuming that you are talking about the formation of the sun, the Earth and Moon. guess you could consider that evolution, providing of course you're a scientific illiterate and a complete idiot
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#79943 Mar 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Star Wars is beyond Science and human logic? Lame. A writer imagined it.
And it is science fiction. That is the point.
Cybele wrote:
When I say star, I did not mean the Sun (I would strictly call it Sun). I meant the stars in the constellations such as the big dipper or the Orion.
And our sun is a star, just like many others.
Cybele wrote:
So the theory of relativity encompasses all the current laws of physics? really?
No, that is not what I said.

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#79944 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
And of course the proven winner is evolution .. only in the micro .. not the macro ... PS: evolution does not explain origin ... all life is triune .. matter / energy and ...
The "micro" and "macro" differentiation has, alas, been hijacked by the creationists.

Originally, it referred only to the amount of time required to affect observed changes.

To simplify: the only difference between microevolution and macroevolution is that the latter usually takes longer.

The process is identical and irrefutable.

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Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#79945 Mar 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I love it when creationists lie, which they do pretty much all the time. The difference is that you cannot demonstrate I lied. That's because I didn't.
I MIGHT be wrong, but that's different from lying.
<quoted text>
Actually I would not. Since that would be a violation of nested hierarchies. Something you would know if you knew anything about the subject. So tell me, why is it creationists think that a complete and total lack of biological education makes a valid foundation for critiquing biology?
Well duh, cause they have the striaght scoop from a text written by a bunch of nomadic, bronze age superstitious desert dwellers
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#79946 Mar 9, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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well apparently those who claim to know so much about science on this thread was not aware of such an important science theory that is dated 2002...would make one wonder.
my only point is that everyone seems to be agreeing that the earth was once cover with water...regardless of the time frame.
And it's the timeframe for which I have a problem - at least if they claim it was within the past few hundred million years that is. Hence why the Noah scenario is bunk.

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Everett, WA

#79947 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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your turn Subduction ..... go
I have no interest in this idiocy.

Either make you point or forget it.

Why do you think that the theory of evolution is wrong?

Do you have any evidence that disproves the theory?

Are you aware of the fact that to date creationists have nothing?

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The Borderland of Sol

#79948 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
I type w/ ten thumbs and have lisdexia .. forgive me
I occasionally seem to have more than the standard number of thumbs myself.

Don't worry about it.
adif understanding

Little Hocking, OH

#79949 Mar 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually it can be demonstrated.
Well, there are situations where you recalling the event is all that can be proven or demonstrated. If you would like to explain how outside of taking your word for it, it can be proven in all instances, then you have found a way for those who believe in God to prove it's existence too.
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually a simple blood test would be a clue to his identity. His facial appearance would be a clue to his identity. His fingerprints would be a clue to his identity. Possibly his clothes could be a clue to his identity.
Obviously you would make a LOUSY forensic investigator.
A blood test would only work if his DNA or other blood samples are in the system. You fail big time here. There are thousands of unidentified dead people and cold cases all over this country let alone the world in which they will likely never be identified. You make a lousy participant in reality.
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Then if it is not testable then there is no way to distinguish it from BS.
outside of people who are convinced in some way unique to them that it's true or the God is real, you are right. But then again, so is the accounting of talking to some random stranger with not witnesses other then yourself.
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed. The Cosmic Sheep from dimension Zog might sound like complete BS. But it COULD be true.
Now if you can get a couple thousand of years behind your cosmic sheep theory and a lot of other people who claim they have been convinced by actions outside of you telling them about it, I will give it the same weight and consideration as I do the various God theories and claims.

History is recorded then circulated and objections to the accounting are documents and in the end, hundred of years after the fact, we know something is true or relatively true in the sense of historically accuracy without ever interviewing eye witnesses or even requiring one of the least bits or repeatable scientific experiments. So far, to date, the best objections to religions are no it happened this way without ever falsifying the claim. Showing that something could be accomplished differently is not the same as discrediting that something.
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Bingo. And this is what separates science from religious dogma. For it may be possible that in the future more evidence may be discovered that may require us to change existing theories, or on rare occasions throw them out entirely.
But until that time, we stick with the science that works.
You can stick to all the science you want. I never said anything the opposite. What I said is that science does not disprove God nor is God subject to science. Please find the ability to separate those and follow along.

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#79950 Mar 9, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
The "micro" and "macro" differentiation has, alas, been hijacked by the creationists.
Originally, it referred only to the amount of time required to affect observed changes To simplify: the only difference between microevolution and macroevolution is that the latter usually takes longer The process is identical and irrefutable.
no ... not at all .. Macro = what different species did the cow evolve from ?

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#79951 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
"There is no evidence of "intelligence"
really ??.. tell me the difference between a rock and an Indian arrowhead
That's a variant on Paley's "Watchmaker" fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analo...
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#79952 Mar 9, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, you're up and you have been up for over 10 years now. Where is your evidence for evolution.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
Remember, ours is a belief not based on scientific bumbling minds who contracdict themselves. Our evidence is in our Bible, in life itself, and demonstrated daily.
Oh? Let's see - Genesis 1 contradicts Genesis 2. Fundies claim evolution never happened even though they claim the Noah story is real which means evolution DEFINITELY happened. God is a living spirit in heaven but for us to be we have to be dead. The Earth is a flat square circle. No wait - the Earth is an oblate spheroid because the Bible is LITERALLY true, except when it's not.
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
It is you who needs time travel and to find a "black hole", just one. Sorry, it is you who has the theory of nothing, gosh you are confused by your nothing.
Actually you are confused by your lack of education.
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
Our fact is that God always ways and is Alpha and Omega, with no beginning or ending. He is beyond your theory of infinity, which you can not quantify or assign a value to.
Although your rambling makes little sense I'd just like to point out that qualified mathematicians make use of infinity in mathematical models. I won't claim to know much about it though because I'm not a math PhD. But Polymath is, so ask him about it when he shows up again, if you're interested.
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
I suggest that you try to argue your point. The relativity of time and space, the lawso of physics at the quantum mechanism level and within the center of "black holes".
Come on, we know you only have evolution religion,wich changes weekly.
Evolution relies very little on cosmology. It appears you've never heard of the distinct fields of physics, chemistry and biology.
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
We, well, we have a never changing "word of God."
Never changing is it's problem. The Bible still mentions talking lizards and donkeys long after we found out there was no such thing.

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#79953 Mar 9, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>You better look again. And this time, stay away from those atheist it's all fact sites.
The bubble theory of evolution is not mainstream, panspermia is not mainstream, but they exist and they are part of the scientific debate on evolution. If you can't grasp that in your little head, then go sit with the creationists in the dunce cap section.
*sigh*

Evolution is an observed fact.

The theory of evolution is an attempt to explain how it works.

Neither has anything to do with the origin of life - that's a whole nother subject.

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#79954 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
I have no interest in this idiocy.
Either make you point or forget it .. Why do you think that the theory of evolution is wrong? Do you have any evidence that disproves the theory? Are you aware of the fact that to date creationists have nothing?
you know what .. I'm actually attempting to have a civil discussion with you ... when I have a sense that you have un-clenched your teeth and fists .. I will lead the discussion to deeper levels .. until then .. I will not waste my time ... do you agree ?

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Seattle

#79955 Mar 9, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>You really are a silly nutbot. It is the idiots pretending with science, who say there was a void, a black hole or sorts. So, if you think that God requires a creator, then how do you explain the evolving process, which is based on your claim that something evolved from nothing or that something evolved from something. In any case, there had to be a creating force to start the process. Even evolution demands and requirtes a creator. Darwin said this himself. His only problem was religious, because he did not see the creator as a judge, jury and punisher, religious, not science. He simply did not wizsh to be punished.
Something doesn't evolve from "nothing," where did you learn science? From a Crackerjack box? If you are going to continue to make up assertions and tell everyone else what they think, then you are the nutjob.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#79956 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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some people think of eternal as a really really really long time ... however I believe that eternal is actually a dimension where time does not exist ... where God exists .. time is not relevant or maybe does not exist at all ... evolutionist put that in your test tube ... ha !!
Actually I've pointed that out to creationists many a time when they threaten us with eternal damnation for simply disagreeing with them. They tell us that eternity is a really long time.

And I say: "No it isn't."
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#79957 Mar 9, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
Clue: Physics and the laws of relativity do not exist and function with black holes, which makes all your evolution theory just junk science.
Bub, you're making 'xxxooxxx' look rational. And she's clueless.

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