Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 173575 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#79844 Mar 9, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>It's rather pointless to attempt to scientifically explain a God or to explain why a God wouldn't be bound to the same laws and rules we are. If a God did create everything, he also created the constraints that we humans need to abide by and interpret in order to understand our surroundings. As a glass blower creates his work, he is not constrained to creating a cup to drink from or a vase to put flowers in or even a globe for a lamp. He is free to create all that he wants. But once his work is created and he sells it to us, we are somewhat constrained to what we can use it for. Sure we can use a glass cup as a vase or maybe even invert it to cover a light bulb, but we understand it to be completely different then the use.
Indeed. But by the same token we could all be trapped in the Matrix. Both claims are just as valid.
adif understanding wrote:
You do not need the existence of a multiverse or even understand that on a quantum level, physics behave a lot differently then we observe outside that realm. The meager fact that a creator is in control of its creation is sufficient. But we also know that God made man masters of their domain (earth and life on it) so it would also make sense that God made a way for Man to understand and utilize that domain.
Except "God" is not a fact. It so far doesn't even rise to the level of testable hypothesis.
adif understanding wrote:
Einsteins equations, evolution, all that and more could simply be a creation in order to allow the creation to understand and utilize it's world around it. So science could be a created discipline with roots directly to God itself creating or enabling it for the sole purpose of understanding and stewarding our world around us.
Or it is possible that no such being exists.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#79845 Mar 9, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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the concept of a true void in not really that hard to grasp...but a true void being impossible in the universe seems very plausible.
In the same light... I find the claim of an effect, without a cause very unplausible...
That is because you are simply incredulous. Quantum fluctuations have no events that precede them as a "cause". Does this go against all assumptions of classical Newtonian physics? Yes. Is it counter-intuitive? Yes. Is it incorrect? No.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#79846 Mar 9, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Creation is a on going process. Or haven't you notice? God is continually creating and expanding the diversity of life...God abhors vacuum.
Especially Henry:

http://je.yalecollege.yale.edu/sites/default/...
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#79847 Mar 9, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>There was one beginning of life according to my understanding and those living things before all others were killed in the great flood. Noah replenished the earth with chosen species and the birds were used to reseed the earth. With God all things can be done and he arranged this and new life came to be.
If all things can be done with God then God could have used evolution.

The evidence He left indicates He did.

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#79848 Mar 9, 2013
intelligence is now proven

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#79849 Mar 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually if just one of those points stand it calls the whole book into question.
Ok, following your reasoning, since there are one or two points (and there are more!) that Darwin was wrong on (ie racism, totally linear evolution), then you should just call his whole theory into question, correct?

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#79850 Mar 9, 2013
can someone tell me the difference between a rock and an Indian arrowhead
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#79851 Mar 9, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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Ok, following your reasoning, since there are one or two points (and there are more!) that Darwin was wrong on (ie racism, totally linear evolution), then you should just call his whole theory into question, correct?
The theory of evolution is always in question. As is the theory of gravity. And the germ theory of disease. That is why we have scientific researchers in all these fields all over the world. Otherwise research would have stopped years ago and the labs would all be gathering dust. Evolution has progressed in the 150 years since Darwin, however his basic premise of common ancestry remains, although undoubtedly the theory has grown in complexity since the 19th century.

As for Darwin on race, we can just go back to page one of this ver thread. Which of these are wrong:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#79852 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
intelligence is now proven
... to be inherent in biological organisms with developed nervous systems.

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Everett, WA

#79853 Mar 9, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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Ok, following your reasoning, since there are one or two points (and there are more!) that Darwin was wrong on (ie racism, totally linear evolution), then you should just call his whole theory into question, correct?
And we have questioned his theory. It was never accepted because it sounded good. It has been tested thousands if not millions of times since he wrote it.

Guess what?

It passed the tests.

So, if you want to disprove evolution find a way to test it and show that the results of the test don't agree with the theory.

That is how science works.

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Everett, WA

#79854 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
intelligence is now proven
Sadly it is not for the creationists. If anything they seem to have a negative intelligence. If you mean there are some intelligent people out there that can look at the world and give a good account of how life came to the state it is now you would be correct. And of course the proven winner is evolution.

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#79855 Mar 9, 2013
I'm sot a science person .. but if even I can understand this .. anyone can . . . all life is triune .. matter / energy and ...

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#79857 Mar 9, 2013
I'm not .. I a lousy typist .. forgive me

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#79858 Mar 9, 2013
And of course the proven winner is evolution .. only in the micro .. not the macro . . . PS: evolution does not explain origin . . . all life is triune .. matter / energy and ...
adif understanding

Lancaster, OH

#79859 Mar 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Indeed. But by the same token we could all be trapped in the Matrix. Both claims are just as valid.
<quoted text>
Except "God" is not a fact. It so far doesn't even rise to the level of testable hypothesis.
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Or it is possible that no such being exists.
God is just as much a fact as the unknown person who you spoke with the other night. You cannot scientifically prove he/she ever existed or that you actually spoke with someone either. It doesn't change the fact that you spoke with someone. A deceased man is found alongside the road with no identification or identifying marks and his identity is completely unknown- No scientific test provides answers to his identity. He didn't magically appear once he died and was found.

The point wasn't that God existed, it was that science doesn't mean he doesn't exist and the very premise of science could be his creation to boot. There is nothing restricting a God to the bounds of science and any violation of any scientific principle means absolutely nothing in regards to any reality pertaining to a God. It only means that he isn't scientifically testable. Holding someone to the standard of proof scientifically else it isn't true is not even scientific in and of itself. For years, alchemist and metallurgist have attempted to turn lead into gold. The failed but it did not mean it was not possible, only that we didn't know how to do it as recently, we have figured it out in small amounts in a lab setting. So the lack of scientific evidence does not mean something does not exist, only that we have no scientific evidence that it does.

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Everett, WA

#79860 Mar 9, 2013
His-truth wrote:
And of course the proven winner is evolution .. only in the micro .. not the macro ... PS: evolution does not explain origin ... all life is triune .. matter / energy and ...
There is no micro or macro evolution. It is all evolution. Creationists have never been able to prove that there is a limit to evolution or where that limit is.

Evolution is still the winner. There is no evidence of "intelligence".

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#79861 Mar 9, 2013
no .. God is not testable .. God is not bound by time and space . . . He created time and space .. god sees the beginning and the end all in one glance . . . Hid creation however .. bares his trademark . . . intelligence .. proven

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#79862 Mar 9, 2013
I type w/ ten thumbs and have lisdexia .. forgive me

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#79863 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
There is no micro or macro evolution. It is all evolution. Creationists have never been able to prove that there is a limit to evolution or where that limit is.
Evolution is still the winner. There is no evidence of "intelligence".
not at all ... micro can view changes w/in a species .. however .. species to species is not proven .. only presumed

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#79864 Mar 9, 2013
"There is no evidence of "intelligence"

really ??.. tell me the difference between a rock and an Indian arrowhead

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