Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216926 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Joe

United States

#79547 Mar 8, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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If the universe was already here, then life did not appear out of nothing, did it?
As it now stands, the current hypothesis revolves around biochemistry.
However this is irrelevant to the validity of evolution. Evolution specifically deals with the diversification of life on Earth. That's it. And all it needs is for life to be here.
Life IS here. Life evolves. Facts. It doesn't matter if you think chemical abiogenesis started life off or if you think Goddidit with magic, life is here. In order for evolution not to occur, one has to demonstrate that life is in fact NOT here.
I wish 'Professor X' luck...
It is obvious that evolution is a fact -particulars and pathways will always be debated.

And Professor - God and evolution can co-exist - there is no need for psuedo scientific theories.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#79548 Mar 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Part 3
Cascade Mountains
Spokana, Nez Perce, Cayuse (eastern Washington), Yakima (Washington), Warm Springs (Oregon), Joshua (southern Oregon), Smith River (northern California coast), Wintu (north central California), Maidu (central California), Northern Miwok (central California), Tuleyome Miwok (near Clear Lake, California), Olamentko Miwok (Bodega Bay, California) Ohlone (San Francisco to Monterey, California)
Kato (Mendocino County, California)
Shasta (northern California interior), Pomo (north central California), Salinan (California), Yuma (western Arizona, southern California), Havasupai (lower Colorado River)
Ashochimi (California)
Yurok (north California coast), Blackfoot (Alberta and Montana), Cree (Canada), Timagami Ojibway (Canada), Chippewa (Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin), Ottawa, Menomini (Wisconsin-Michigan border), Cheyenne (Minnesota), Yellowstone, Montagnais (northern Gulf of St. Lawrence), Micmac (eastern Maritime Canada), Algonquin (upper Ottowa River), Lenape (Delaware)(Delaware to New York)
Cherokee (Great Lakes area; eastern Tennessee)
Mandan (North Dakota), Lakota
Choctaw (Mississippi), Natchez (Lower Mississippi)
Chitimacha (Southern Louisiana)
Caddo (Oklahoma, Arkansas), Pawnee (Nebraska)
Navajo (Four Corners area), Jicarilla Apache (northeastern New Mexico)
Sia (northeast Arizona)
Acagchemem (near San Juan Capistrano, California), Luiseño (Southern California), Pima (southwest Arizona), Papago (Arizona), Hopi (northeast Arizona), Zuni (New Mexico)
Central America
Tarascan (northern Michoacan, Mexico), Michoacan (Mexico)
Yaqui (Sonoran, Northern Mexico), Tarahumara (Northern Mexico), Huichol (western Mexico), Cora (east of the Huichols), Tepecano (southeast of the Huichols), Tepehua (eastern Mexico), Toltec (Mexico), Nahua (central Mexico), Tlaxcalan (central Mexico)
Tlapanec (south central Mexico), Mixtec (northern Oaxaca, Mexico), Zapotec (Oaxaca, southern Mexico), Trique (Oaxaca, southern Mexico)
Totonac (eastern Mexico)
Chol (southern Mexico), Tzeltal (Chiapas, southern Mexico), Quiché(Guatemala), Maya (southern Mexico and Guatemala)
Popoluca (Veracruz, Mexico)
Nicaragua, Panama
Carib (Antilles)
South America
Acawai (Orinoco), Arekuna (Guyana), Makiritare (Venezuela), Macusi (British Guyana)
Muysca (Colombia), Yaruro (southern Venezuela)
Yanomamö(southern Venezuela)
Tamanaque (Orinoco), Arawak (Guyana), Pamary, Abedery, and Kataushy (Purus R., Brazil), Ipurina (Upper Amazon)
Jivaro (eastern Ecuador), Shuar (Andes)
Murato (eastern Ecuador)
Cañari (Quito, Ecuador)
Guanca and Chiquito (Peru)
Ancasmarca (near Cuzco, Peru), Canelos Quechua, Quechua, Inca (Peru), Colla (high Andes)
Chiriguano (southeast Bolivia)
Chorote (Eastern Paraguay)
Eastern Brazil (Rio de Janiero region), Eastern Brazil (Cape Frio region), Caraya (Araguaia River, central Brazil), Coroado (south Brazil)
Araucania (coastal Chile)
Toba (northern Argentina)
Selk'nam (southern tip of Argentina)
Yamana (Tierra del Fuego)
How is it that you can claim all these stories from different civilizations are "proof of Noah's flood" when the story of Noah claims everyone was destroyed except for Noah and his family on the Ark? Who was around to write those stories if everyone that was not on the Ark died?

Did you even think about that "line of reasoning" before actually presenting it?

Seriously, how can anyone be THAT stupid?

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#79549 Mar 8, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
An ARK is a compartmentalized container. God showed Noah how to build it and what do, so it may have been very advanced above what we know of today.
Yeah, saw that in a movie once.

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#79550 Mar 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And i am again asking you that same question, why did you came into this forum?
You can never disprove the Almighty. You can only asserts, but that again does and will never change who the Almighty is.
See, here's proof of the earlier reference to lamp post.
FREE SERVANT
#79551 Mar 8, 2013
JM_Brazil wrote:
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Yeah, saw that in a movie once.
I can't say I have heard of that one, it should have been a million seller.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#79552 Mar 8, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Show me! It's that simple!
No. What I see is another demographic of aristocrats who don't enslave the sheep because age and poor health will enslave them anyway. In a sense, we all are bigots to our politics, but the medical profession is held to a higher standard, just not one that they let interfere with their politics.
As previously stated, the issue is politics. Politics is about money and power. You find a few of the educated coming out in favor of homosexuality, even though the concept of Evolution is against it. You don't find any doctors coming out against homosexuality because nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is going to pay them to take the political heat. That's all there is to it.
So anyway, show me a doctor with scientific research on the topic, and show us the research. What do you have? You have the EXACTLY same argument that the fundamentalists use. "Prove us wrong!!"
You're wasting our time. You don't have a "gay" gene, therefore the subject is politics, therefore it's about money and a hypocritical liberal elite who are raking in BIG BUCKAZOIDS right now on higher education, law and medicine, while our standards of service are plummeting in the modern world....JUST like the products of our conservative run corporations are.
D - E - N - I - A - L !!!!!!!!!!
Ah.

EVERYBODY's out to getchya, huh?

(and you're still wrong about homosexuality)
bohart

White Pine, TN

#79553 Mar 8, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Yes you are. Thank you for once again demonstrating you quite frankly do not have a clue what you're talking about.
Ha,Ha. the I'm rubber your glue defense.
FREE SERVANT
#79554 Mar 8, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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And that's why we're all dead and no-one's here to talk about it.
At the very least Noah needed an impulse drive system to survive. Warp drive would have been handy.
What kind of system would he have needed to keep all the species of living things? Could it have been some sort of compartmental system that kept seeds and eggs alive until the birds could carry them about and reseed the earth?
FREE SERVANT
#79555 Mar 8, 2013
The Bible tells us that birds were sent out in pairs of seven to seed the earth. Are there seven land masses on earth that seperated at some point in time?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#79556 Mar 8, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The Bible tells us that birds were sent out in pairs of seven to seed the earth. Are there seven land masses on earth that seperated at some point in time?
Yes, Pangaea broke up roughly 200 million years ago.

That would have been quite a while before your make believe flood.
FREE SERVANT
#79557 Mar 8, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, Pangaea broke up roughly 200 million years ago.
That would have been quite a while before your make believe flood.
Then there is an issue over timelines. Maybe we will figure that out someday.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#79558 Mar 8, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Then there is an issue over timelines. Maybe we will figure that out someday.
No, there is no issue over time lines. We know how long ago it happened. The opinion of illiterates does not matter when we are discussing science. Ignorance is not a legitimate scientific position.
FREE SERVANT
#79559 Mar 8, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, there is no issue over time lines. We know how long ago it happened. The opinion of illiterates does not matter when we are discussing science. Ignorance is not a legitimate scientific position.
I have no problem with legitimate science, it is when certain people want ignorance as to what is really out there that bothers me. Let the real truth speak.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#79560 Mar 8, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>I have no problem with legitimate science, it is when certain people want ignorance as to what is really out there that bothers me. Let the real truth speak.
Then why do you continually argue from ignorance?

We know how old the Earth is. There are many sources that show the Earth is old and only misinterpretation of events that show that the Earth is young. Once the error is shown in a claim it is no longer a valid claim. There are no valid claims for a Young Earth.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#79561 Mar 8, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Then there is an issue over timelines. Maybe we will figure that out someday.
Been there, done that. Your Biblical "timeline" became irrelevant some 200+ years ago.

It was Christian clergy and lay persons from northern Europe looking for geological evidence of the Noachian flood in the 18th and 19th centuries who put the scientific research into motion that lead to the tectonic plate theory and the destruction of the Noachian flood fairy tale as a viable geological and historical scenario.

It is ONLY people who still believe in bronze age goat herder "literal and inerrant" FAIRY TALES who are willfully ignorant enough to actually believe that Noah, Ham, Sham and Curly and their unnamed wives really existed.

The VAST majority of the worlds scientists and the majority of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Daoists, Confucianists, Shinto, Wicca, Pagans, agnostics, atheists, etc. KNOW that the Bible SUCKS as a historical and scientific reference.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#79562 Mar 8, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>I have no problem with legitimate science, it is when certain people want ignorance as to what is really out there that bothers me. Let the real truth speak.
This coming from someone who thinks the following is "legitimate science":

The cosmos was magically conjured into existence with a magic "word".

The first man was conjured up out of a pile of dirt.

The first woman was conjured up from a rib taken out of the man.

Magic fruit that makes the eater really intelligent or immortal.

A talking snake.

Incest, incest and more incest was a very good thing at one point in human history.

An little bunny brings eggs to good boys and girls on Easter morning.

Angels and demons.

Giants and unicorns.

Satyrs and cockatrices.

Witches and wizards.

A jolly elf brings toys to good boys and girls on Christmas morning.

Angels having sex with mortal women.

People living 600+ years.

People and dinosaurs living together.

A fairy brings money to good boys and girls when they loose a tooth.

A big global flood that destroys everything except the passengers of a wooden boat.

The sun standing still in the sky to provide more light for more productive mass genocide.

A talking burning bush.

A talking donkey.

A man living inside of the stomach of a fish for three days.

Pi = 3.

Insects have 4 legs.

Letting livestock copulated in front of a stick painted with stripes produces offspring with striped coats.

Sprinkling the blood of a sacrificed dove on a lepers toes cures his leprosy.

Etc., etc., etc..
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#79563 Mar 8, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I don't know if Jesus was schizo. One thing I know...
Religion calls it sin. Science calls it mental disorder.
Again, it's a matter of preference for what type of cure you want for your disease.
Placebo or medicine?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#79564 Mar 8, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Ha,Ha. the I'm rubber your glue defense.
Not really. You made wrong statements. I told you why they were wrong. Instead of defending your position you called me names. I again offered to continue discussing the subject. You avoided it. Therefore, and especially considering your positing history, it is not unfair to point out quite rightly that you do not have a clue what you're talking about. Whereas I on the other hand am capable of discussing the subject and can back my claims up with scientific evidence.

To which you then reply with your best Nelson Muntz impression.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#79565 Mar 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And that either does' nt change the evidence and existence of God.
The door please.
He doesn't need to get the door. You don't have anything but a baseless assertion. That was his point. And you've never had an argument against it either.

Sorry, that was rude of me. You did have an argument. It kinda went something like this:

"No!"
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#79566 Mar 8, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Your first paragraph has disqualified your entire post.
We are living in a universe not known completely by science, yes or no?
Irrelevant. Goddidit is not the default answer. In fact it's more ignorant than admitting a lack of knowledge.

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