Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 223358 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#79325 Mar 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>here. let me help you. i know how inept you are from past conversations...
http://lmgtfy.com/...
Good luck on your education...
Merely a hypothesis. Proof, not conjecture, please.
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#79326 Mar 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, I don't hang around openly rude people...
Must be difficult being in the same room with yourself, huh?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#79327 Mar 7, 2013
KJV, I can guarantee you that not all of the stories you link were about a worldwide flood. Many of them are simply flood stories. And since most civilizations are on water that floods occasionally most civilizations have some sort of flood myth.

Who woulda thunk it?

Now if you want to claim a worldwide flood you need to do better than to come up with a list of fairy tales that can be explained away with logic and common sense. You need scientific evidence for a worldwide flood, and there is none.
FREE SERVANT
#79328 Mar 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>upwelling from where?
Salt is brought up from beneath the earths crust by the foluntains of the deep.

“Cruisin' In Stereo”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#79330 Mar 7, 2013
Early Earth 'was covered in water'

http://www.earthdive.com/site/news/newsdetail...
KJV

United States

#79331 Mar 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
KJV, I can guarantee you that not all of the stories you link were about a worldwide flood. Many of them are simply flood stories. And since most civilizations are on water that floods occasionally most civilizations have some sort of flood myth.

Who woulda thunk it?

Now if you want to claim a worldwide flood you need to do better than to come up with a list of fairy tales that can be explained away with logic and common sense. You need scientific evidence for a worldwide flood, and there is none.
None?

No dealing with idiots.

I just listed some pretty good evidence. And there's more a lot more.

"A remarkable fossil find has been found in Peru: 346 whales buried in diatomaceous earth. The preservation of the whales is so pristine and complete, the authors of the paper in the Feb. 2004 issue of Geology1 conclude that the whales had to be buried rapidly, in days or weeks. If so, it represents a rate of accumulation of diatoms many times higher than what occurs in modern oceans.
The authors point out some amazing things about this fossil deposit:
Condition: The whale skeletons are “preserved in pristine condition (bones articulated [i.e., still assembled] or at least closely associated), in some cases including preserved baleen.”
Fine details:“The most complete whale (WCBa 20) was fully articulated; the microscopic detail of its baleen was preserved … and there is black, heavy-mineral replacement of the spinal cord and some intervertebral disks. There were no similar minerals in the surrounding sediment. These nonbony tissues were still present when the whale was completely buried.” Other instances of baleen, the delicate straining structure of the whale’s mouth, were also found.
Vertical extent:“The 346 whales within ~1.5 km2 of surveyed surface were not buried as an event, but were distributed uninterrupted through an 80-m-thick sedimentary section.” Since they were found uniformly distributed from bottom to top of the formation, the conditions in which they were buried must have also been uniform.
Unlaminated strata:“The diatomaceous sediment lacks repeating primary laminations, but instead is mostly massive, with irregular laminations and speckles.” In other words, it was not due to a cyclic process, like the annual climate change that produces tree rings.
Lack of bioturbation: Small organisms have not altered the deposit.“There is no evidence for bioturbation by invertebrates in the whale-bearing sediment.” Apparently they didn’t have the chance, it happened so fast.
Intact diatoms:“If most diatoms dissolve before preservation in the sediment, one would find frustules in all stages of dissolution. Diatoms in the Pisco diatomaceous sediment are often broken, but SEMstudy indicated fine preservation, with no significant evidence of dissolution.… In the shallow-water Pisco Formation, the diatoms were probably buried too quickly for much dissolution to occur.” The authors point out that in contemporary diatom deposits, only 2–3% of the frustules (glass shells) usually remain undissolved, up to 24% in special cases in Antarctica."

http://crev.info/2004/02/hundreds_of_whales_b...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#79332 Mar 7, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Salt is brought up from beneath the earths crust by the foluntains of the deep.
it's also brought up by backhoes and excavators...

what is your point? the fact that we have oceans is in no way AT ALL any proof of the mythical flood that every single branch of science involved has proved did not occur.

your bible lied to you...many times...
KJV

United States

#79333 Mar 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
KJV, I can guarantee you that not all of the stories you link were about a worldwide flood. Many of them are simply flood stories. And since most civilizations are on water that floods occasionally most civilizations have some sort of flood myth.

Who woulda thunk it?

Now if you want to claim a worldwide flood you need to do better than to come up with a list of fairy tales that can be explained away with logic and common sense. You need scientific evidence for a worldwide flood, and there is none.
"‘We knew it was a great find,’ said paleontologist Leonard Brand about the fossil whales he saw in Peru in 1999, 350 km (200 miles) south of Lima, the capital. Eagerly he organized a team of creationist research scientists. They recently published their findings in the secular journal Geology.1,2,3
Overall, they found 346 whales within a 1.5-km2 (370-acre) area, buried in an 80-m (260-ft) thick layer of sedimentary rock called diatomite. This layer is part of the Pisco Formation, which varies in thickness from 200–1,000 m (650–3,300 ft).

Diatomite is sedimentary rock containing a high percentage of fossil diatoms—small single-celled algae, which commonly live near the ocean surface. The layer of diatomite in Peru has 5 to 10% clay and abundant volcanic ash.

Today, when diatoms die, their silica skeletons accumulate on the ocean floor. One gram (0.035 oz.) of diatomite may contain up to 400 million skeletons.4 Diatomite sediment normally accumulates slowly—only a few centimetres per thousand years.1Even where the rate is higher, such as in some shallow-water areas, accumulation is still slow. For example, in the fjords of British Columbia, diatoms and clay accumulate at 2.5–5.0 mm (0.1–0.2 inches) per year.2

Also today, when a whale carcass sinks to the bottom of the ocean, many kinds of scavengers quickly attack and colonize it. And in their quest for food, some scavengers churn up the adjacent sediments.5

However, in Peru, the fossilized whales and diatoms were well preserved and the whale skeletons were mostly intact. There was no evidence of normal decay, such as wormholes, barnacle encrustations or general degradation. Neither was there any sign that organisms had churned up the adjacent sediment."

http://creation.mo bi/dead-whales-telling-tales

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#79334 Mar 7, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Early Earth 'was covered in water'
http://www.earthdive.com/site/news/newsdetail...
Long, long, long, long, long before any humans were around...epoch and aeons before humans....
KJV

United States

#79335 Mar 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
KJV, I can guarantee you that not all of the stories you link were about a worldwide flood. Many of them are simply flood stories. And since most civilizations are on water that floods occasionally most civilizations have some sort of flood myth.

Who woulda thunk it?

Now if you want to claim a worldwide flood you need to do better than to come up with a list of fairy tales that can be explained away with logic and common sense. You need scientific evidence for a worldwide flood, and there is none.
http://www.grandcanyontreks.org/geology2.htm

"Inevitably, some of these visitors will turn to a park ranger and ask: "How did the Grand Canyon get formed? Why did this happen here and nowhere else?"

The honest answer is that nobody knows. One hundred and thirty-one years after John Wesley Powell first mapped the Colorado River by riding its 161 rapids in heavy wooden boats, no one can prove how the canyon was formed.

But it is not for lack of trying.

Geologists are puzzle freaks who love nothing more than collecting fragmentary clues -- clumps of gravel, fossilized shells and pollens, the dates that muddy sediments were deposited in dried-up lakes or whole mountain ranges were lifted -- and then trying desperately to figure out how the modern topography before their eyes was produced.

More.....

The modern Colorado appears to be a young river that flows out of the Rockies and hits a huge plateau, called the Kaibab Upwarp, which is 50 million to 70 million years old. Instead of being shunted away from this barrier, the river runs right through it. Moreover, when sediments from the river are examined closely, it is clear that the western end of the canyon -- where it flattens out and begins its final run to the Gulf of California -- is many millions of years younger than the eastern part of the river.

To many experts, this difference means that the Grand Canyon could have been cobbled together from ancient river basins that were created during different geologic eras. But if so, when and how were those ancient rivers formed and where did they go?
KJV

United States

#79336 Mar 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
KJV, I can guarantee you that not all of the stories you link were about a worldwide flood. Many of them are simply flood stories. And since most civilizations are on water that floods occasionally most civilizations have some sort of flood myth.

Who woulda thunk it?

Now if you want to claim a worldwide flood you need to do better than to come up with a list of fairy tales that can be explained away with logic and common sense. You need scientific evidence for a worldwide flood, and there is none.
A fossilized human skull was found in coal that was sold in Germany (mid-1800s). A jawbone of a child was found in coal in Tuscany (1958). Two giant human molars were found in Montana (1926). A human leg was found by a West Virginia coal miner. It had changed into coal.�pp. 34-35.

A woman, in Illinois, reportedly found a gold chain in a chunk of coal which broke open (1891). A small steel cube was found in a block of coal in Austria (1885). An iron pot was found in coal in Oklahoma (1912). A woman found a child's spoon in coal (1937).�p. 35.

In 1944 Newton Anderson claimed to have found this bell inside a lump of coal that was mined near his house in West Virginia. When Newton dropped the lump it broke, revealing a bell encased inside.

What is a brass bell with an iron clapper doing in coal that is supposed to be hundreds of

millions of years old? According to Norm Scharbough's book Ammunition (which includes a compilation of many such "coal anecdotes") the bell was extensively analyzed at the University of Oklahoma and it was found to contain an unusual mixture of metals, different from any modern usage. Photo and text from Genesis Park.

Man-made objects in rock.

An iron nail was found in a Cretaceous block from the Mesozoic era (mid-1800s). A gold thread was found in stone in England (1844). An iron nail was found in quartz in California (1851). A silver vessel was found in solid rock in Massachusetts (1851).

The mold of a metal screw was found in a chunk of feldspar (1851). An intricately carved and inlaid metal bowl was found in solid rock (1852). An iron nail was found in rock in a Peruvian mine by Spanish conquistadores (1572).�pp. 35-36.

http://s8int.com/page8.html

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#79337 Mar 7, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Must be difficult being in the same room with yourself, huh?
not at all, i am quite polite to myself and anyone that is polite to me.

best way to get spit at, have objects thrown at ehm, or get damned to hell...talk to someone like you....

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#79338 Mar 7, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
None?
No dealing with idiots.
I just listed some pretty good evidence. And there's more a lot more.
"A remarkable fossil find has been found in Peru: 346 whales buried in diatomaceous earth. The preservation of the whales is so pristine and complete, the authors of the paper in the Feb. 2004 issue of Geology1 conclude that the whales had to be buried rapidly, in days or weeks. If so, it represents a rate of accumulation of diatoms many times higher than what occurs in modern oceans.
The authors point out some amazing things about this fossil deposit:
Condition: The whale skeletons are “preserved in pristine condition (bones articulated [i.e., still assembled] or at least closely associated), in some cases including preserved baleen.”
Fine details:“The most complete whale (WCBa 20) was fully articulated; the microscopic detail of its baleen was preserved … and there is black, heavy-mineral replacement of the spinal cord and some intervertebral disks. There were no similar minerals in the surrounding sediment. These nonbony tissues were still present when the whale was completely buried.” Other instances of baleen, the delicate straining structure of the whale’s mouth, were also found.
Vertical extent:“The 346 whales within ~1.5 km2 of surveyed surface were not buried as an event, but were distributed uninterrupted through an 80-m-thick sedimentary section.” Since they were found uniformly distributed from bottom to top of the formation, the conditions in which they were buried must have also been uniform.
Unlaminated strata:“The diatomaceous sediment lacks repeating primary laminations, but instead is mostly massive, with irregular laminations and speckles.” In other words, it was not due to a cyclic process, like the annual climate change that produces tree rings.
Lack of bioturbation: Small organisms have not altered the deposit.“There is no evidence for bioturbation by invertebrates in the whale-bearing sediment.” Apparently they didn’t have the chance, it happened so fast.
Intact diatoms:“If most diatoms dissolve before preservation in the sediment, one would find frustules in all stages of dissolution. Diatoms in the Pisco diatomaceous sediment are often broken, but SEMstudy indicated fine preservation, with no significant evidence of dissolution.… In the shallow-water Pisco Formation, the diatoms were probably buried too quickly for much dissolution to occur.” The authors point out that in contemporary diatom deposits, only 2–3% of the frustules (glass shells) usually remain undissolved, up to 24% in special cases in Antarctica."
http://crev.info/2004/02/hundreds_of_whales_b...
hey! hey just proved plate tectonics. just decades after everyon on earth knew about it!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#79339 Mar 7, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's a list of a few places that have their own version of a WORLD WIDE FLOOD:
Europe
Greek, Arcadian, Samothrace
Roman
Scandinavian, German
Celtic, Welsh
Lithuanian, Transylvanian Gypsy
Turkey
Near East
Sumerian
Egypt, Babylonian, Assyrian, Chaldean, Hebrew, Islamic
Persian, Zoroastrian
Africa
Cameroon
Masai (East Africa), Komililo Nandi, Kwaya (Lake Victoria)
Southwest Tanzania, Pygmy, Ababua (northern Zaire), Kikuyu (Kenya), Bakongo (west Zaire), Bachokwe?(southern Zaire), Lower Congo, Basonge, Bena-Lulua (Congo River, southeast Zaire)
Yoruba (southwest Nigeria), Efik-Ibibio (Nigeria), Ekoi (Nigeria)
Mandingo (Ivory Coast)
Asia
Vogul
Samoyed (north Siberia)
Yenisey-Ostyak (north central Siberia), Kamchadale (northeast Siberia)
Altaic (central Asia), Tuvinian (Soyot)(north of Mongolia)
Mongolia, Buryat (eastern Siberia)
Sagaiye (eastern Siberia)
Russian
Hindu, Bhil (central India), Kamar (Raipur District, Central India), Assam
Tamil (southern India)
Lepcha (Sikkim), Tibet, Singpho (Assam), Lushai (Assam), Lisu (northwest Yunnan, China), Lolo (southwestern China), Jino (southern Yunnan, China), Karen (Burma), Chingpaw (Upper Burma)
China
Korea
Munda (north-central India), Santal (Bengal), Ho (southwestern Bengal)
Bahnar (Cochin China), Kammu (northern Thailand)
Andaman Islands (Bay of Bengal)
And not one of them have any shred of proof of that flood.
in fact, we have world-wide proof that it never happened.
your bible lied to you...again...
the people who promised to guide and protect your immortal soul lied to you...again...
you will find that this is comon amongst teh religious cults of the world.
KJV

United States

#79340 Mar 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
KJV, I can guarantee you that not all of the stories you link were about a worldwide flood. Many of them are simply flood stories. And since most civilizations are on water that floods occasionally most civilizations have some sort of flood myth.

Who woulda thunk it?

Now if you want to claim a worldwide flood you need to do better than to come up with a list of fairy tales that can be explained away with logic and common sense. You need scientific evidence for a worldwide flood, and there is none.
Why is this not a BIG story?

I'm often amazed at our lack of knowledge about history. Ordinary people are hungry for this information, yet the organizations responsible to disseminate these facts seem to have an agenda to keep us in the dark. This is especially true when it comes to our ancient human history.

I won't hold you in suspense with this article: The Ark of Noah has been found. It's real. I'll describe the evidence in some detail and end with the historical and religious implications.

How it was discovered

In 1959, Turkish army captain Llhan Durupinar discovered an unusual shape while examining aerial photographs of his country. The smooth shape, larger than a football field, stood out from the rough and rocky terrain at an altitude of 6,300 feet near the Turkish border with Iran.

Capt. Durupinar was familiar with the biblical accounts of the Ark and its association with Mount Ararat in Turkey, but he was reluctant to jump to any conclusions. The region was very remote, yet it was inhabited with small villages. No previous reports of an object this odd had been made before. So he forwarded the photographic negative to a famous aerial photography expert named Dr. Brandenburger, at Ohio State University.

Brandenburger was responsible for discovering the Cuban missile bases during the Kennedy era from reconnaissance photos, and after carefully studying the photo, he concluded: "I have no doubt at all, that this object is a ship. In my entire career, I have never seen an object like this on a stereo photo."

http://www.viewzone.com/noahx.html
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#79341 Mar 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it's also brought up by backhoes and excavators...
what is your point? the fact that we have oceans is in no way AT ALL any proof of the mythical flood that every single branch of science involved has proved did not occur.
your bible lied to you...many times...
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>70% of the earths surface is still covered with the evidence of upwelling salty water.

upwelling from where? from wooddick57. Your problem is that you are posting to too many threads, you can't even follow your own questions anymore. You need a job to keep you occupied.
FREE SERVANT
#79342 Mar 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it's also brought up by backhoes and excavators...
what is your point? the fact that we have oceans is in no way AT ALL any proof of the mythical flood that every single branch of science involved has proved did not occur.
your bible lied to you...many times...
The people who tell you those are proven are the ones who are wrong. The flood happened and the fountains of the great deep being broken up is a clue to understanding this.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#79343 Mar 7, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Merely a hypothesis. Proof, not conjecture, please.
Which one was a hypothesis? you covered every article linked?

“Cruisin' In Stereo”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#79344 Mar 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it's also brought up by backhoes and excavators...
what is your point? the fact that we have oceans is in no way AT ALL any proof of the mythical flood that every single branch of science involved has proved did not occur.
your bible lied to you...many times...
so the earth covered with water by no ways implies a flood...right.lol
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#79345 Mar 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>not at all, i am quite polite to myself and anyone that is polite to me.
best way to get spit at, have objects thrown at ehm, or get damned to hell...talk to someone like you....
Really? I suppose "politeness" is in the eye of the beholder. Keep "beholding" yourself, it's all YOU can rely on.

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