Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 210094 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#79037 Mar 6, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>I would approach them just as I would any other document from that time period: I'd realize that written documents were very unusual and were done for public reasons by those in power. I would compare what they say with the archaeological evidence and other sources from the same time. I would realize the level of knowledge of those doing the writing and the society in which they were writing. Then I would weigh the evidence for each particular event to evaluate its reliability.

This is the procedure for *all* historical documents. Context is crucial. Motivation is crucial. Societal biases are crucial.

As an example, the Iliad tells the story of the fall of Troy. For a long time it was considered to be pure legend, but then we actually found the ruins of Troy. We also have art and armor from both sides of the conflict. Some of the names are even known and agree with those in the Iliad. But, there are also descriptions of Zeus and Athena and Hera plotting about how the war at Troy would go. There are also enlargements in the story that help the story along and are clearly not true to the actual history.

So, yes, we evaluate each piece of the document and attempt to understand when, where, and why it was written and then evaluate it to see whether it is reliable.
And?

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#79038 Mar 6, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Of course we can use the scientific method to disprove things. That's what it's FOR. If one has evidence, it is subject to potential falsification. If it is not subject to potential falsification then you have no evidence.

Welcome to the world of science.
Thank you very much, Professor Smartbutt, for your words of not so much wisdom. I feel good and thoroughly edumicated. Kindly use said scientific method, then, to disprove the existence of GOD. Until you can do that, you have no right whatsoever to tell me that my beliefs are wrong. Having a differing opinion doth not make you right.

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#79039 Mar 6, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Science itself is not closed to the idea. In fact it is perfectly open to the possibility of anything you can think of - God, aliens, fairies, ghosts, goblins, whatever you like. All it requires is that you propose evidence that can be tested via the scientific method.
It's not the fault of science that magic doesn't pass the scientific method.
Response bias is the systematic tendency as a result of nonsensory factors for an observer to favor responding in a particular way. For example, the use of terms like "cult" or "goddidit"

What kind of magic have you tested? Am I missing something?

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#79040 Mar 6, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>As a kid, I hoped I'd find some.

I remember seeing an article about finding evidence of Noah's ark in the form of a piece of wood on top of some mountain that was possibly Mt. Ararat.

I was like, "Oh. Cool!"

But being a skeptic even at that early age, I did some more research. It wasn't as easy in those days without google, but eventually it became readily apparent that it was hogwash.

Naturally, I was disappointed, but eventually, after disappointment upon disappointment, I accepted that the bible (I just misspelled it "bibile". Kind of appropriate.) was a collection of fairy tales with practically no basis in reality.

That acceptance lead to a fascination with science, but also made me feel very isolated from the rest of the believing world.

I was forced by necessity to keep my skepticism and growing atheism strictly to myself just to keep the peace in a very religious and large extended family.

Life ain't easy living amidst world of delusion.
What gives you the right to call my belief in God delusional? You cannot use the scientific method to disprove his existence.

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#79041 Mar 6, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>It would be more productive.
Nice. Very nice.

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#79042 Mar 6, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>The fact that you constantly have to accuse anyone who disagrees with you an atheist makes me wonder just what it is you are so afraid of.

And you didn't take exception anything I said.
I'm not railing accusations at all. I'm simply presenting facts. The fact is you cannot use the scientific method to prove or disprove the existence of God so you have no right to call my belief in him wrong. Nobody accused you of anything.

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#79043 Mar 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes! that is an objective look at the facts.

i do not think that word means what you think it means...
Lol Princess Bride style? Nice!

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#79044 Mar 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>there is no evidence of the existence of god. that's just fact.
Nor can you disprove his existence using the scientific method. Also fact.

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#79045 Mar 6, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>Pretty well sums it up.
Another twister of words. I love it! Present me with proof using the scientific method that God does not exist and we will talk. Until then, a believing I will go.

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#79046 Mar 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Seems you keep bringing up this whole proof business...
Because, friend, that's really what the entire atheist/theist argument comes down to. Neither side can use the scientific method to prove or disprove the existence of God thus neither side has the right to call the other wrong. It's just that simple.

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#79047 Mar 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>At least you admit your belief is just opinion and not reality.
My belief is my reality. Whether or not God truly exists has yet to be proven using the scientific method. Thus your opinion is also just that. Your opinion.

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#79048 Mar 6, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>If you believe in God, just who in the hell do you think created all of those facts and evidences?
I don't argue with that statement at all. My question in turn is this: If God did create all those facts and evidences, who the hell are you trying to disprove?

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#79049 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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What gives you the right to call my belief in God delusional? You cannot use the scientific method to disprove his existence.
Do you think that people who believe soap opera characters are real are sane?

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#79050 Mar 6, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, I got no problem with theists accepting science either. Generally people who believe in God and accept science we usually just refer to as Christians. However those who prefer to deny reality for the sake of their faith we refer to as creationists. They are the ones who say such and such a science is wrong because it conflicts with their ideas of how the invisible magic Jew didit using magic. Though you may despise labels they are usually quite handy every day things, so much so that the English language relies on them.
I do enjoy a smartass. Use the scientific method to disprove the existence of my "invisible magic Jew God" and this conversation will be over. Until then, I don't need a science lesson or a lesson on the English language. Thank you all the same.

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#79051 Mar 6, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, that wasn't me. I'm not Scottish either.
Hmm...my apologies.

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#79052 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Lol What scientific evidence? In everything you've found, you have yet to be able to use the scientific method to disprove the existence of God. That's just fact. I don't believe in the evidence. I believe in God. Thus you cannot use the scientific method to prove to me why I shouldn't believe in him. The most you can do is disagree. I'm cool with that. What you can't do, however, is tell me that I'm wrong.
I'm not coming from a creationist standpoint. I'm coming from an individual one. Please refrain from putting labels on me when I refuse to put labels on myself.
There is a reason that I describe people like you as "creatard".

You don't know what scientific evidence is, nor are you willing to learn.

There are very very very few honest creationists. Those that are honest and learn what is and what is not scientific evidence admit that all scientific evidence supports the theory of evolution, they will admit it reluctantly but they do admit it. They are much quicker to admit that there is no scientific evidence for creation.

So are you honest or not?

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#79053 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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My belief is my reality. Whether or not God truly exists has yet to be proven using the scientific method. Thus your opinion is also just that. Your opinion.
If your belief is your reality then you are delusional. That is what delusion is.

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#79054 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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I'm not railing accusations at all. I'm simply presenting facts. The fact is you cannot use the scientific method to prove or disprove the existence of God so you have no right to call my belief in him wrong. Nobody accused you of anything.
Where did I say you were wrong?

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#79055 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Another twister of words. I love it! Present me with proof using the scientific method that God does not exist and we will talk. Until then, a believing I will go.
I twisted nothing. I quoted your exact words. I don't care if you believe or not but you can't run away from your own words.

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#79056 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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And?
And what? You asked a question. I answered it. What do you want?

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