Evolution vs. Creation

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“I see quantum effects”

Level 2

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#78691 Mar 5, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I don't recall seeing where anybody claimed that all light came from water.:-/
Get over it, wimp.
Now you're just being stupid.

Well, you're STILL being stupid.

Somebody said that god created water before he created light.

Light comes from stars.

Oxygen comes from stars.

Therefore, stars, which create light, were necessary before water could possibly form.

Why are you always so freaking angry?

Nobody here raped you.

“I see quantum effects”

Level 2

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#78692 Mar 5, 2013
Babylon wrote:
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"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light:
2 Cor. 4.6 and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."
And god got it wrong.

But god's massive ego wouldn't allow him to admit his mistake.

“I see quantum effects”

Level 2

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#78693 Mar 5, 2013
Babylon wrote:
<quoted text>
Speak for yourself. I have a soul.
You're still a mud pie.
LEARNER

New Albany, IN

#78694 Mar 5, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
Pretty interesting find by ‘Students’ at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in West Virginia. Could be the precursors of life on earth really did come from space. We are all Aliens..:-)
“The beginnings of the beginnings of life, the fundamental building blocks of DNA and RNA, have been detected in cosmic clouds near the center of the Milky Way galaxy, student researchers at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO) announced Thursday.
Using the Green Bank Telescope in West Virginia to look closely at the Sagittarius B2 molecular cloud, students detected the radio signals generated by rotational transitions of two prebiotic molecules, cyanomethanimine and ethanamine, key to the formation of DNA and the amino acid alanine.
“Finding these molecules in an interstellar gas cloud means that important building blocks for DNA and amino acids can ‘seed’ newly-formed planets with the chemical precursors for life,” NRAO’s Anthony Remijan said in an advisory."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/01/student...
Was ice in space made by stars? Are we sure that water came from stars and it wasn't some kind of a cycle?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#78695 Mar 5, 2013
LEARNER wrote:
<quoted text>Was ice in space made by stars? Are we sure that water came from stars and it wasn't some kind of a cycle?
Ice is composed of water (of course). Water, as any elementary school child knows, is composed of two hydrogen atoms & one oxygen atom.

While hydrogen atoms were present shortly after the Big Bang, oxygen can only be formed within supernova explosions.

The formation of ice is NOT a "cycle", as that implies that water would decompose into its elements, then recombine. Of course, in nature this would never happen.

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#78696 Mar 5, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Or "plagiarize"?
xD
Correct, as a rule.

Unlike some nanogodbots I could mention.

I see you no longer use that Merida avatar that you plagiarised?

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#78697 Mar 5, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like you haven't met 'Skeptic'.
Nope and I am not suggesting but I did say as a rule

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#78698 Mar 5, 2013
LEARNER wrote:
<quoted text>Was ice in space made by stars? Are we sure that water came from stars and it wasn't some kind of a cycle?
Almost every element was made by the stars, the only ones I know of that weren’t are hydrogen, created just after the BB and the man made elements, much to heavy for water.

The oxygen in ice was made by stars.

Look into the night sky with a telescope, the nebula (remnants of supernovae) you may see have been spectroscopically analysed and contain vast amounts of ice

http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.0005
http://www.strw.leidenuniv.nl/events/phdthese...

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#78699 Mar 5, 2013
LEARNER wrote:
<quoted text>Was ice in space made by stars? Are we sure that water came from stars and it wasn't some kind of a cycle?
Well, the oxygen in the water came from stars. There is a cycle in the sense that new stars are formed from the matter left over from old stars. But the first stars were formed from only hydrogen and helium because that's all that was available. it was only after that first generation of stars that the heavier elements (past lithium on the periodic table) were formed. In particular, there was no water before the first stars.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#78700 Mar 5, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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So you're saying a "Divinely-authored" scripture **ALMOST** got the creation story technically right?
Gotchya.
Funny, huh?

"Close" only counted in horseshoes and flamethrowers. Now it includes the bible.

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#78701 Mar 5, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Almost every element was made by the stars, the only ones I know of that weren’t are hydrogen, created just after the BB and the man made elements, much to heavy for water.
Not quite true. Helium was formed in abundance during the nucleosynthesis stage of the Big Bang. So was a bit of Lithium.

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#78702 Mar 5, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>which always makes me wonder why people seem so sure there are more advanced civilizations out there than humans...
if it took that long to make enough heavy elements as we have( on which a technologically advanced civilization would most likely need) then perhaps we are one of the first able to rise above the stone age?
Just a thought...
And it is certainly a possibility--note the Fermi paradox. The counter-argument is that there is a LOT of variation in how long it takes intelligence to evolve. There were even some dinosaurs that were developing larger brains and had the ability to grasp. Would they have evolved into technological intelligence? Who knows? And that would place them about 65 million years ahead of us.

The point is that stars last billions of years, species last a couple of million, and societies are lucky to survive thousands. The likelihood that we are the *first* to cross the technological boundary, even among third generation star systems, is low.

That said, the same considerations suggest it is unlikely that there would be *overlap* between two technological civilizations in the same, or even nearby, galaxies. We may well be the only technological species in our galaxy *right now*.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#78703 Mar 5, 2013
Babylon wrote:
He could have, but didn't.
And to echo what Neils Bohr said to Einstein - Stop telling God what to do.
Babylon wrote:
Well if he was "God is a non-scientific concept." then you could not teach science in school.
And you can't in the US. Private schools are the exception.
Babylon wrote:
Pretty good idea for science to stay away from God, look at all the funding they would lose if they did include God!
So far there's nothing to stay away from. However it's good for science to stay away from religious apologetics as that stifles scientific inquiry.
Babylon wrote:
So for now they will just have to play with his creations.
As do we all.

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#78704 Mar 5, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Ice is composed of water (of course). Water, as any elementary school child knows, is composed of two hydrogen atoms & one oxygen atom.
While hydrogen atoms were present shortly after the Big Bang, oxygen can only be formed within supernova explosions.
Not quite accurate. Oxygen is formed inside of large stars where the 'carbon cycle' is used for fusion instead of the 'hydrogen cycle' found in the sun. The oxygen forms fairly late in the life of the star, but supernova are only required to get elements larger than iron (because of binding energy constraints).
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#78705 Mar 5, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So according to the bible,the sun(a star)existed before the development of the earth(a planet)which I believe,is pretty much true to astronomy.
Science is irrelevant to religious apologetics. For any science that contradicts your religious beliefs you ignore.

For instance, Young Earth Creationists ignoring every single field of science ever just so they can say the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

This is why it's dishonest for creationists to say science supports their claims.

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#78706 Mar 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Not quite true. Helium was formed in abundance during the nucleosynthesis stage of the Big Bang. So was a bit of Lithium.
Correct, my mistake, I was aware of this, I had heard it often before and should have included it, don’t know why I didn’t.

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#78707 Mar 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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We may well be the only technological species in our galaxy *right now*.
Such a waste of space.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#78708 Mar 5, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, then you thought I'd be freaked by his image? Come now, I was in High School when Star Wars first came out. Do you have any idea how often I saw that guy's scene?...and Han shot first!
Of course Han shot first.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#78709 Mar 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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And god got it wrong.
But god's massive ego wouldn't allow him to admit his mistake.
To be fair to God, his book was ghost-written.

:-p
LEARNER wrote:
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Was ice in space made by stars? Are we sure that water came from stars and it wasn't some kind of a cycle?
We still don't care Mikey.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#78710 Mar 5, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Such a waste of space.
Lots of opportunity for growth. like gettin' in on the ground floor.....

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