Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216668 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#78697 Mar 5, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Sounds like you haven't met 'Skeptic'.
Nope and I am not suggesting but I did say as a rule

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#78698 Mar 5, 2013
LEARNER wrote:
<quoted text>Was ice in space made by stars? Are we sure that water came from stars and it wasn't some kind of a cycle?
Almost every element was made by the stars, the only ones I know of that weren’t are hydrogen, created just after the BB and the man made elements, much to heavy for water.

The oxygen in ice was made by stars.

Look into the night sky with a telescope, the nebula (remnants of supernovae) you may see have been spectroscopically analysed and contain vast amounts of ice

http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.0005
http://www.strw.leidenuniv.nl/events/phdthese...

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#78699 Mar 5, 2013
LEARNER wrote:
<quoted text>Was ice in space made by stars? Are we sure that water came from stars and it wasn't some kind of a cycle?
Well, the oxygen in the water came from stars. There is a cycle in the sense that new stars are formed from the matter left over from old stars. But the first stars were formed from only hydrogen and helium because that's all that was available. it was only after that first generation of stars that the heavier elements (past lithium on the periodic table) were formed. In particular, there was no water before the first stars.

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#78700 Mar 5, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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So you're saying a "Divinely-authored" scripture **ALMOST** got the creation story technically right?
Gotchya.
Funny, huh?

"Close" only counted in horseshoes and flamethrowers. Now it includes the bible.

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#78701 Mar 5, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Almost every element was made by the stars, the only ones I know of that weren’t are hydrogen, created just after the BB and the man made elements, much to heavy for water.
Not quite true. Helium was formed in abundance during the nucleosynthesis stage of the Big Bang. So was a bit of Lithium.

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#78702 Mar 5, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>which always makes me wonder why people seem so sure there are more advanced civilizations out there than humans...
if it took that long to make enough heavy elements as we have( on which a technologically advanced civilization would most likely need) then perhaps we are one of the first able to rise above the stone age?
Just a thought...
And it is certainly a possibility--note the Fermi paradox. The counter-argument is that there is a LOT of variation in how long it takes intelligence to evolve. There were even some dinosaurs that were developing larger brains and had the ability to grasp. Would they have evolved into technological intelligence? Who knows? And that would place them about 65 million years ahead of us.

The point is that stars last billions of years, species last a couple of million, and societies are lucky to survive thousands. The likelihood that we are the *first* to cross the technological boundary, even among third generation star systems, is low.

That said, the same considerations suggest it is unlikely that there would be *overlap* between two technological civilizations in the same, or even nearby, galaxies. We may well be the only technological species in our galaxy *right now*.
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#78703 Mar 5, 2013
Babylon wrote:
He could have, but didn't.
And to echo what Neils Bohr said to Einstein - Stop telling God what to do.
Babylon wrote:
Well if he was "God is a non-scientific concept." then you could not teach science in school.
And you can't in the US. Private schools are the exception.
Babylon wrote:
Pretty good idea for science to stay away from God, look at all the funding they would lose if they did include God!
So far there's nothing to stay away from. However it's good for science to stay away from religious apologetics as that stifles scientific inquiry.
Babylon wrote:
So for now they will just have to play with his creations.
As do we all.

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#78704 Mar 5, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Ice is composed of water (of course). Water, as any elementary school child knows, is composed of two hydrogen atoms & one oxygen atom.
While hydrogen atoms were present shortly after the Big Bang, oxygen can only be formed within supernova explosions.
Not quite accurate. Oxygen is formed inside of large stars where the 'carbon cycle' is used for fusion instead of the 'hydrogen cycle' found in the sun. The oxygen forms fairly late in the life of the star, but supernova are only required to get elements larger than iron (because of binding energy constraints).
The Dude

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#78705 Mar 5, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So according to the bible,the sun(a star)existed before the development of the earth(a planet)which I believe,is pretty much true to astronomy.
Science is irrelevant to religious apologetics. For any science that contradicts your religious beliefs you ignore.

For instance, Young Earth Creationists ignoring every single field of science ever just so they can say the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

This is why it's dishonest for creationists to say science supports their claims.

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#78706 Mar 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Not quite true. Helium was formed in abundance during the nucleosynthesis stage of the Big Bang. So was a bit of Lithium.
Correct, my mistake, I was aware of this, I had heard it often before and should have included it, don’t know why I didn’t.

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#78707 Mar 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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…
We may well be the only technological species in our galaxy *right now*.
Such a waste of space.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#78708 Mar 5, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Oh, then you thought I'd be freaked by his image? Come now, I was in High School when Star Wars first came out. Do you have any idea how often I saw that guy's scene?...and Han shot first!
Of course Han shot first.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#78709 Mar 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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And god got it wrong.
But god's massive ego wouldn't allow him to admit his mistake.
To be fair to God, his book was ghost-written.

:-p
LEARNER wrote:
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Was ice in space made by stars? Are we sure that water came from stars and it wasn't some kind of a cycle?
We still don't care Mikey.

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#78710 Mar 5, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Such a waste of space.
Lots of opportunity for growth. like gettin' in on the ground floor.....

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#78711 Mar 5, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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To be fair to God, his book was ghost-written.
:-p
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We still don't care Mikey.
but the ghost writer was supposed to be under divine guidance.

but I think they only had dial-up back then, so the connection was probably poor and some of the data might have been corrupted...

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#78712 Mar 5, 2013
Babylon wrote:
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Not!
It's possible for God to create light before he created sun light or moon light.
Moon light? Really?

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#78713 Mar 5, 2013
JM_Brazil wrote:
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Moon light? Really?
it's got a dimmer switch on it , that's why it has phases...

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#78714 Mar 5, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Good point, but are we inherently good or are we constantly receiving negative reinforcement to keep us in line? Those who risk their lives are far fewer than those who would use others as human shields, by my observation at least.
We just live in nice neighborhoods.
No, I don't live in any one neighborhood. I have traveled the entirety of the continental, mainland, USA, that's all but the islands and Alaska. I have seen people go out of their way to not only help me, but others, just for the sake of helping. The news only shows the worst stories, because good news doesn't sell papers or periodicals of any sort ... good news also doesn't get reported that often because most times people don't do it for the publicity. Humanity is on the right track, as long as we do not allow religious nonsense to continue to hold us back. In the US the only problem we truly face that can actually be solved is to educate people, and religious doctrine doesn't like learning, it can't stand intelligence, because when you are learned, you question everything, and under any scrutiny religious nonsense collapses.

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#78715 Mar 5, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Funny, huh?
"Close" only counted in horseshoes and flamethrowers. Now it includes the bible.
And Polish mathmatics.

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#78716 Mar 5, 2013
I hear you.

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