Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216634 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#78574 Mar 4, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
The stupid is strong in this one.
Yes, it is.

How ya been?

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#78575 Mar 4, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>really dude? it's only 10:30 am!
Ah, shut it.
http://www.livescience.com/7799-strange-human...

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#78576 Mar 4, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>he didn't understand that oxygen was created in the stars...
You think oxygen is needed to create light?

xD

You people are hilarious.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78577 Mar 4, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
Pointless much?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78578 Mar 4, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
Dude...have you, like, totally had your, like, aura photographed?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78579 Mar 4, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>You think oxygen is needed to create light?
xD
You people are hilarious.
No, oxygen is needed to form the water molecule. that was the point of the discussion; that light in the universe came from water, but light in the universe was, in fact, needed to make the first oxygen molecules.

catch up!

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#78580 Mar 4, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>No, oxygen is needed to form the water molecule. that was the point of the discussion; that light in the universe came from water, but light in the universe was, in fact, needed to make the first oxygen molecules.
catch up!
I don't recall seeing where anybody claimed that all light came from water.:-/

Get over it, wimp.
Babylon

United States

#78581 Mar 4, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>Your translation is wrong, water should not be taken literary.
But if you insist you can depend on loads of corrections.
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light:
2 Cor. 4.6 and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#78582 Mar 4, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it is.
How ya been?
Doing well! I've been over in the atheist forums lately. Keeping busy with teaching and research.

And you?
Babylon

United States

#78583 Mar 4, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>We're all nothing but mud pies.
Speak for yourself. I have a soul.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#78584 Mar 4, 2013
Babylon wrote:
<quoted text>
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light:
2 Cor. 4.6 and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."
(...then 3 DAYS LATER):

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

<<end cut/paste>>

So THREE DAYS AFTER "God said, Let there be light:
... and there was light.
...And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

...and AFTER the earth was already formed, He created the Sun?

Sorry.

Genesis is wrong.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#78585 Mar 4, 2013
This just in:

http://phys.org/news/2013-03-human-chromosome...

( Phys.org )—University of Arizona geneticists have discovered the oldest known genetic branch of the human Y chromosome – the hereditary factor determining male sex.

The new divergent lineage, which was found in an individual who submitted his DNA to Family Tree DNA, a company specializing in DNA analysis to trace family roots, branched from the Y chromosome tree before the first appearance of anatomically modern humans in the fossil record.

The results are published in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

<<snipped for brevityUnlike the other human chromosomes, the majority of the Y chromosome does not exchange genetic material with other chromosomes, which makes it simpler to trace ancestral relationships among contemporary lineages. If two Y chromosomes carry the same mutation, it is because they share a common paternal ancestor at some point in the past. The more mutations that differ between two Y chromosomes the farther back in time the common ancestor lived.

Originally, a DNA sample obtained from an African American living in South Carolina was submitted to the National Geographic Genographic Project. When none of the genetic markers used to assign lineages to known Y chromosome groupings were found, the DNA sample was sent to Family Tree DNA for sequencing. Fernando Mendez, a postdoctoral researcher in Hammer's lab, led the effort to analyze the DNA sequence, which included more than 240,000 base pairs of the Y chromosome.

Hammer said "the most striking feature of this research is that a consumer genetic testing company identified a lineage that didn't fit anywhere on the existing Y chromosome tree, even though the tree had been constructed based on perhaps a half-million individuals or more. Nobody expected to find anything like this."

About 300,000 years ago falls around the time the Neanderthals are believed to have split from the ancestral human lineage. It was not until more than 100,000 years later that anatomically modern humans appear in the fossil record. They differ from the more archaic forms by a more lightly built skeleton, a smaller face tucked under a high forehead, the absence of a cranial ridge and smaller chins.

Hammer said the newly discovered Y chromosome variation is extremely rare. Through large database searches, his team eventually was able to find a similar chromosome in the Mbo, a population living in a tiny area of western Cameroon in sub-Saharan Africa.

"This was surprising because previously the most diverged branches of the Y chromosome were found in traditional hunter-gatherer populations such as Pygmies and the click-speaking KhoeSan, who are considered to be the most diverged human populations living today."

"Instead, the sample matched the Y chromosome DNA of 11 men, who all came from a very small region of western Cameroon," Hammer said. "And the sequences of those individuals are variable, so it's not like they all descended from the same grandfather."

Hammer cautions against popular concepts of "mitochondrial Eve" or "Y chromosome Adam" that suggest all of humankind descended from exactly one pair of humans that lived at a certain point in human evolution.

"There has been too much emphasis on this in the past," he said. "It is a misconception that the genealogy of a single genetic region reflects population divergence. Instead, our results suggest that there are pockets of genetically isolated communities that together preserve a great deal of human diversity."

Still, Hammer said, "It is likely that other divergent lineages will be found, whether in Africa or among African-Americans in the U.S. and that some of these may further increase the age of the Y chromosome tree."

He added: "There has been a lot of hype with people trying to trace their Y chromosome to different tribes, but this individual from South Carolina can say he did it."
Babylon

United States

#78586 Mar 4, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>Stars are atheist.
If you mean they are hot balls of gas I guess you would be right.

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Since: Oct 07

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#78587 Mar 4, 2013
Babylon wrote:
<quoted text>
Speak for yourself. I have a soul.
Really? Let's see it. Or any evidence of it. Or even a clear definition of it and something to suggest its existence.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#78588 Mar 4, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Doing well! I've been over in the atheist forums lately. Keeping busy with teaching and research.
And you?
Doing well. Counting the days until retirement.
Babylon

United States

#78589 Mar 4, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>(...then 3 DAYS LATER):

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

<<end cut/paste>>

So THREE DAYS AFTER "God said, Let there be light:
... and there was light.
...And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

...and AFTER the earth was already formed, He created the Sun?

Sorry.

Genesis is wrong.
Not!

It's possible for God to create light before he created sun light or moon light.
Babylon

United States

#78590 Mar 4, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Really? Let's see it. Or any evidence of it. Or even a clear definition of it and something to suggest its existence.
Sorry no peeking. You too could have had a soul yet today had you not given your soul away.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#78591 Mar 4, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>And then the glass was full of air!
Hehehe.

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#78592 Mar 4, 2013
Babylon wrote:
<quoted text>
Not!
It's possible for God to create light before he created sun light or moon light.
It's also "possible" -- LIKELY, in fact -- that the Genesis account of creation is the ramblings of relatively ignorant Bronze-age shepards, who were seeking an understanding of the natural world around them, and expressed this quest for understanding by the only means known to them at the time: Magic.

The observed physics that God (if He exists) left for us to examine shows that the Genesis account is not reality.

The Bible **CAN** be a very good book to teach the relationship between God and His people.

But it is NOT a science text book.

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Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#78593 Mar 4, 2013
Babylon wrote:
<quoted text>
Not!
It's possible for God to create light before he created sun light or moon light.
There was light before stars existed.

" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_th... ;

There will be light after they are gone.

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