Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Darwin was right..of course.”

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There was darkness and there was water, then light happened. This is when the hydrogen was divided and compressed deep to create light as our sun and stars, in my view.
How deeply wrong you are.....
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<quoted text>You need both hydrogen and oxygen for water. your god should have taken 6th grade science....
You're going in the wrong direction.
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We know that light was created from water in some way.

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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And just when did He/She/It do this??

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<quoted text>You're going in the wrong direction.
not at all. it is you that is. oxygen was created in the stars, not in your mythical book. there was no oxygen before there were stars...

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We know that light was created from water in some way.
No, no you don't know that at all. you are trying to take a book full of falsehoods and make the universe fot to its words. the glaring fact that the universe does NOT fit top its words should tip you off that your cult is based on some serious lies and falshoods...

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And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Those old myths are beautiful aren't they?
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And just when did He/She/It do this??
In THE beginning. I believe there has only been one beginning and it happened very quickly at the Word and command of God.

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Those old myths are beautiful aren't they?
I'm kinda partial to the Hopi myths. very pretty.

(and as acurate and credible as Free Servant's)

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Now, imagine getting back on topic and debating Creationism vs. Evolution ...
Good idea.
It was research on pedophilia which got me interested in Evolution in the first place.
Evolution disfavors pedophilia, and that is why I say that pedophilia is an aberration.
Pedophilia is never found among animals in the wild.
The closest exception is in the bonobo species, in which adult males hump emerging female juveniles.
Even then, the adult males do not penetrate, and they continue to show preference for mature females.

Creationists can call this a "just-so story" if they wish, but it is apparent that healthy relationships prevailed throughout most of our evolutionary past. Men, women, boys, and girls spent their entire lives in the company of men, women, boys, and girls. They therefore related with men, women, boys, and girls and men, women, boys, and girls should be related to.

The nuclear family system messed all this up. Children grew up lacking younger siblings or younger cousins to nurture, so they grew up to be pedophiles.

This is all validated in intercultural study. Where boys and girls are free to relate with each other, sexual abuse is unknown. Examples are the Trobriand tribe of Melanesia (Malinowski [1927] 1953: 55, 57; 1929: 55) and the Muria tribe of India (Currier 1987). In cultures where boys and girls are kept separate, sexual abuse of children is common. Examples include Balinese society (Mead 1949: 72, 106; 1973: 138) and societies with practice ritual sexual abuse (Muensterberger 1967).

For anyone still preferring to turn to the Bible as a solution to sexual abuse, I suggest starting with Song of Solomon 8:8.

Currier, R. L. 1981. Juvenile sexuality in global perspective. In Constantine, L. L. & Martinson, F. M., eds.: 1981. Children and sex: New findings, new perspectives. Boston: Little, Brown & Co.: 9-19.

Malinowski, B.[1927] 1953. Sex and repression in savage society. London: Routledge & Kegan.

_____. 1929. The sexual life of savages in North-Western Melanesia. New York: Halcyon House.

Mead, M. 1949. Male and female: A study of the sexes in a changing world. New York: Morrow.

_____. 1973. Coming of age in Samoa: A psychological study of primitive youth for Western civilisation. New York: Morrow.

Muensterberger, W. 1967. Perversion, cultural norm and normality. In Ruitenbeek, H., ed. The psychotherapy of perversions. New York: Citadel: 99-109.
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<quoted text>not at all. it is you that is. oxygen was created in the stars, not in your mythical book. there was no oxygen before there were stars...
You or anyone else can not say for sure there was no water before the stars were created.

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<quoted text>In THE beginning. I believe there has only been one beginning and it happened very quickly at the Word and command of God.
Aaahh, you mean the beginning of everything....the Big Bang, around 14 billion years ago....right??

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<quoted text>I'm kinda partial to the Hopi myths. very pretty.
(and as acurate and credible as Free Servant's)
Yes, I like the Hopi legends also. The part about the tribes coming through the sipapu in the kiva into their new world (present day) is pretty neat.

Have you been to any of the ruins in New Mexico and Arizona?

Louis L'Amore has a really good book called "Haunted Mesa" that goes into the myth pretty deeply. Of course it's all fiction, but it explores the myth very neatly.

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And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Free Servant, why do you post messages like that?
Don't you realize that most of us have already heard all that before?
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Aaahh, you mean the beginning of everything....the Big Bang, around 14 billion years ago....right??
It didn't take billions of years for the elements to answer to the voice of God.

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<quoted text>It didn't take billions of years for the elements to answer to the voice of God.
That's roughly how long ago the star forming began. You know we can date a lot of this stuff don't you?

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<quoted text>You or anyone else can not say for sure there was no water before the stars were created.
i thought you just said there was?!?! now you are contradicting yourself!

man, your cult has you so messed up...

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<quoted text>It didn't take billions of years for the elements to answer to the voice of God.
billions of years and no evidence of that voice yet, so how would you know?

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Yes, I like the Hopi legends also. The part about the tribes coming through the sipapu in the kiva into their new world (present day) is pretty neat.
Have you been to any of the ruins in New Mexico and Arizona?
Louis L'Amore has a really good book called "Haunted Mesa" that goes into the myth pretty deeply. Of course it's all fiction, but it explores the myth very neatly.
yes, i have been to many of them. We just visited a couple in the Jerome area. while hitting the wineries there..
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You're telling me kids in America are not allowed to say NO.
No this goes for all categories, universal. I'ld say stop trying to outguess me and just read.
machismo godbots(the label did not apply to you RTF) rule, harrass and harang their wifes while pregnant.->stress till breakdown->not enough of the proper hormone->homosexual kid. So those guys and the stress they expose their wife too are directly responsiblefor this hormone induced effect.
* stop stereotyping me, or dictate what others think or are. It simply boomerangs back like f.i. woodtick's iterations.
I allready told you that i do not consider a two party system a democracy.
You voice you wanted to see if a lib-cons approach could make a dent in evolution.
Well sofar i've just seen you vent prejudice (we are still on this issue, that as far as i know started with medicalising a trait)
So no i frankly do not see where this should go.
And since when is calling you cute, patronizing or fighting-talk :)
(it's all in your mind, including the mental images)
OK. We'll forgo the obvious language issues you probably have as I don't think English is your native language, but as I see it, being "cute" implies that I'm not taking the discussion seriously. Round and round it goes, who's labeling who, nobody knows!

And as far as medicalizing a trait goes, aren't you doing so by describing homosexuality as a trait caused by hormonal imbalances during pregnancy? That is a medical condition and not a condition caused by Evolution. Round and round it goes, my original point, before timn17 dug up the trash talk debate again, still holds.

I'm really not sure what point you're making anymore, but you're stepping between me and a couple of name-calling, radically biased individuals. It's not a diplomatic place to be and I don't really need your theories on objectivity and projecting. If you think I'm some creep in a wife-beater shirt, you're wrong as can be.

If you need a stereotype, consider me a gamer nerd, although I am much older than most of them, I don't play that many games and I'm NOT a Brony! My relationships are purely on a serve-yourself basis that falls short of letting my house be looted by kids who want a place to party. I don't make demands, nor do I accept them. That doesn't mean that I'm a repressed gay or a maladjusted nerd who cynically annoys everyone, thinking that's what coolness is about. I just don't share my life with dumb@sses who just consider me livestock. There's a lot of dumb@sses so I'm fairly aloof most of the time.

That said, here I sit on a mediocre forum debating with mediocre people and the occasional scientist who probably got chewed up and spit out by the system. There's plenty of good ideas to discuss. I'd rather not waste the time coddling political losers or foolish people who think embracing political extremes will help their career get back on track. Don't we have enough has-been actors, actresses, musicians and ex-ceo's pulling that tired old game?

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