Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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I guarantee to you, sir, that any adults who do reproduce have, in fact, a sex.
I dunno. That's a pretty controversial opinion.

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The "Negros" had an agenda as a political group. Why wouldn't they? But this isn't about equality or rights, it's about special privilege. Already been there, but if you want to go through the list of rhetorical sound bites again, have at it.
* Marriage - not a right, not even mentioned in the Constitution. Best described as a privileged group given funding and special protection at the state level, mostly as an effort to protect the raising of children. Could be interpreted as a means of the State and Capitalists to financially encumber citizens beyond their means to make free political choices.
* Homosexuality - at best, described as a medical condition, but if it IS considered a lifestyle choice, that makes it political and not a protected condition. There would be great debate as to whether or not homosexuals are capable of assuming proper parental roles, but in the current state of debate, liberals would generate bogus statistics anyway.
* Political wedge issue - absolutely, just as abortion is with conservatives, homosexuality is with liberals. In both cases, these are litmus test issues where those disloyal to a party are forced into a financially punitive lifestyle, either by raising children they can't afford, or by heaping further financial burdens on the unmarried through unfairly taxing the minority to the benefit of the majority.
See, it really isn't about your stereotype idea that I'm a conservative zealot. But you're going to go through your spiel anyway. So.... DO it! You WILL go through EVERY single piece of your rhetoric ANYWAY! You'll probably even try to ask offensively personal questions in an attempt to dominate the discussion.
But you WILL DO IT! Obey your master! DO IT!
Do we have a cute little objectivist here?

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Pales in comparison to the what science has brought upon the world...gun power,atomic bombs,abortions...so forth.
Makes no difference at all....a loving and peaceful God should not be responsible for any deaths.

Do you remember the part of the Bible where it says 'suffer not a witch to live'?? Well the Christian Church decided to follow that injunction at one time and started killing people being accused of 'witchcraft'. Killed probably over a million people. Then a man of high social class suggested that witchcraft was probably not real. Of course he was right and the church stopped killing innocents.

The point of all this is that there are NO witch's....NEVER has been, yet the Bible, the supposed 'Word of God', was totally wrong and so was HIS Church and HIS followers.

Kinda makes one wonder....WHO REALLY wrote this book with false information and PROVABLY false foundational stories.??

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Now, you've struck your pose. It's nice to see that you're slumming with the ghetto folk and showing some soul! I hope that doesn't translate into something you've casually written off concerning minorities.
Now! Tell me how I'm projecting. What am I projecting other than a quite candid disrespect for the what I quite explicitly regard a prejudicial treatment against unmarried people? Do you think I'm black and that my politics are all part of your tidy world view?
Well, maybe there's a bit of that in the family tree, but as every real black would remind me, I don't look it so I'm not black like them. Besides, the psychological impact of black personality traits on a mixed race person are not as obvious as with others in our Western culture. You'd probably have a harder time detecting a part-Asian in Eastern Europe too, but that's not the Liberal political line, so run with it! You WILL run with it. Obey your master!
I CAN think of one or two political types who like to play into that "soul" thing, but usually that's just an offensive stereotype that whites have of blacks as reckless and promiscuous.
Hmmmm. We haven't explored that nasty side of White liberalism on Topix yet. Wanna act that one out for everyone? Be a sport! You can call me "boy" if I can call you "boi" and we can all call Bill Clinton "bubba". Whoo hoo!
What are you talking about?

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AND it's YOUR turn!!
I'll tell you my first angle! Here it is: Are you Gay?
About 1 out of 2 posters on an Evolution forum who take the Evolution point of view are playing the gay angle. They don't want to SAY they're gay, but the love to ask offensive questions and make people uncomfortable. Some don't want to admit they're gay, some aren't but like to get all "downtown" with the bros. When it comes down to it, it's an inevitable "you're either with us or against us" political tactic and NOW you'll have to pay the price!
OK,the clock is ticking. Post #1 and all I'm asking for is a simple YES or NO response. No secret codes, innuendo or gang signs. Just answer the question.
No, but I'm not sure why it matters. I've completely forgotten what we were talking about, but you seem to have gotten quite worked up about it.

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So it's not, because it is a tribal book with a god that lives through waht the tribe lives through. Which is entirely unprecedented. Therefore it never claims absolute truth.
That truth and monotheism is all part of christianity as empire. Ditto for islam that was also invented for empire building. As was PAX for the Roman empire.
Absolutely right sir. Paul recognized a real opportunity when he founded the Christian church. His Christianity proved to be so powerful that it ruled mankind for 15+ centuries.

It's all a lie and needs to be torn down.

Well, maybe just take ALL its political power and influence away from it. In today's world there are two religions who ARE going to butt heads pretty soon and humanity WILL suffer for it.

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"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics." –Robert A. Heinlein

Ramen brother.....

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Absolutely right sir. Paul recognized a real opportunity when he founded the Christian church. His Christianity proved to be so powerful that it ruled mankind for 15+ centuries.
It's all a lie and needs to be torn down.
Well, maybe just take ALL its political power and influence away from it. In today's world there are two religions who ARE going to butt heads pretty soon and humanity WILL suffer for it.
In the meantime i visited an old ongoing topic...a laugh a minute.
Deadly serious all claiming absoluth truth.
Some quotes:
Matt.25:41 Hell did not exist till the coming of jesus.

Paul WV wrote:
Before Jesus' death and resurrection the gates of Heaven were closed and those dying before then went to Paradise, also called Limbo or Hell. When Jesus died he went to Paradise i.e. Hell to preach to those who died before. After Jesus’ resurrection those in Paradise, i.e. Hell, went with him to Heaven.
so the christian Heaven and Paradise are two separate places,
Paradise = Limbo = Hell

Comment: serving eternal damnation in this "Hell" would be so much fun!


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so the christian Heaven and Paradise are two separate places,
Paradise = Limbo = Hell
serving eternal damnation in this "Hell" would be so much fun!
Comment: Die and go there and then come back and tell us how much fun it is to be in hell.

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Because any one who says that "Worship the True Lord of the Universe, the One who created this heavens and earth.." cannot be from Satan.
Because it is not the job of Satan to invite people to the worship of True God of this Universe.
it is also not in his mission to tell humankind to "treat Satan as an enemy" (Quran 35:6) because Jesus said: How can Satan go against himself?

Comment: his job commission is to whisper to Paul and "John" that God came as a human and a ghost
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One sane voice that by comparison almost sounded insane (frankly a comment on earler quoted and ridiculed Isa. 40:6.:
You are all children of one wholeness, how can you say one does not exist.(meaningless, useless, no beauty, inferior etc.)

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Absolutely right sir. Paul recognized a real opportunity when he founded the Christian church. His Christianity proved to be so powerful that it ruled mankind for 15+ centuries.
It's all a lie and needs to be torn down.
Well, maybe just take ALL its political power and influence away from it. In today's world there are two religions who ARE going to butt heads pretty soon and humanity WILL suffer for it.
Try and mitigate the wrong translation is frankly undoable.
Both will claim there religion invented peace, while still waiting for the rapture and judgement day and 2/3 of the world killed of.
And now-adays you have this fad of people that feel they have to be instrumental in it, with earthly life described as hell.

It did not help that the Vatican in a follow-up of Nostra Aetate graciously excepted the Muslim offer of the Arabian desert for the dead on that day.;p

All potty.

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<quoted text>Do we have a cute little objectivist here?
Best not mention brotherly love!

It is theoretically possible that a real world exists but cannot be known objectively because human perception is biased, and can only be known gradually, and through science.(long story short)
But bias and image will allways stand between a date of me with anonymous...he would never know reality but up to the point of psychological objectivity. But cute...fo'sure!

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thewordofme wrote:
"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics." –Robert A. Heinlein
Ramen brother.....
How did you end up in the gobi desert all of a sudden!
Spot of archeology?

I'll spoon along if you don't mind.
Ramen is a Japanese noodle dish. It consists of Chinese-style wheat noodles served in a meat- or (occasionally) fish-based broth, often flavored with soy sauce

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<quoted text>You still have no idea what's going on.
Likewise.

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<quoted text>You are incapable of detecting sarcasm.
So, are gays equal to heterosexuals?
According to Fundamental Human Rights, yes!
Gay rights and the likes.

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<quoted text>Can menopausal women reproduce?
Do you understand the meaning of prayers and its efficacies?
Homosexuals or same sex couples can never reproduce except heterosexual couples.

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<quoted text>Can menopausal women reproduce?
Reproduction or giving births among women tends to decline as their ages increases, do some research on reproduction.

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<quoted text>Do you define an individual's worth based solely on their ability to reproduce?
Homosexuals or same sex couples can not reproduce. Period.

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I have 3 attacks Christian creation, my attack divided into three categories; scientific empirical things that creation cannot take into account for, philosophical nonempirical issues that are raised by Christian creation and hybrids empirical data that raises nonempirical issues (I know it may not be very clear but it should be a bit clearer after I have gotten into some examples).

Scientific
The nerve going from the brain to the voice box goes past the heart to get the voice box which is strange because the distance between the two is very small at least a few inches and humans and a few feet in giraffes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrentlarynge... . This is important as God knows how much “wiring” it needs so why the waste? It just adds to be likelihood of problems occurring like cancer spreading into the nerve this is not the sort of thing one should expect from God.

Philosophical
How did things go wrong in the Garden of Eden the first place? Surely if God is perfect then one would expect nothing but perfection in what it creates, or at least follow its idea of perfection and God considers doubt and temptation to disobey a bad thing so why did the temptation exist?

Hybrid Neanderthal burial grounds, Neanderthals were a different species than modern man but more importantly the way the burial grounds were set out in its religious like way showing the universe wasn't just for us because there were other sentient creatures. http://news.discovery.com/history/neanderthal... round-afterlife-11 0420.html Of course that assumes God is good and if it were not so ethical and really did make universe with us in mind then that would mean he would have created two sentient species just to destroy one them, let's not even go into the size of the universe the immensity of it shows how silly it is to say it was made for us this does the job brilliantly better even, besides we have to make up for lost time that should in an ideal world have been spent mourning the loss of our fellow travellers, trying to find out what the like and how they ended.

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xxxoxxx, I realize that Christianity SAYS to love your enemies,
and I agree.
However, two thousand years of history shows us that Christianity is ineffective in realizing that goal.
It seems to me that a religious which was really founded by an all-powerful and all-loving god would do better than that?

What would you say about a violin teacher who said, "Play perfectly in tune, precisely on the beat, and with a clear and beautiful tone quality," but did nothing to help his students realize that goal?
Would you say he was a great violin teacher?

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Somebody's a little judgeit happy.
Did you even read it?
I really wonder why. A sustained waste of effort.
But i wanted to check something, as to what quantum-effects you see in the macroworld, because i'm convinced now that i see then everywhere, where life is,thus also i oaktrees and humans, as in what they have in common.
I ones started out with handedness and UV light, photon entangement, via biology, energy cycles and physics to:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3...
Ho, Abbott a.o.
Schrödingers early proposal can be upheld: living organisms are indeed quantum coherent and can be regarded asmacroscopic quantum systems.

Insufficiënt coherence primary cause for cancer and genetic defects, which develop in a non-specific progressive way.

MT theory i.e. the concept of the Na+/K+'pump'(that received a Nobel price) is WRONG.
For this reason of once being lauded it is still in all textbooks but needs a major overhaul.

Coherence is not all. A complex of reactions can be observed.
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<quoted text>No, but I'm not sure why it matters. I've completely forgotten what we were talking about, but you seem to have gotten quite worked up about it.
Dug it up again after weeks? Of course you'd forget. For the most part, I do too.

I just know that your position on homosexuality is based on politics and you love a litmus test for loyalty. Fancy words like "objectivist" really don't play into it. This is politics and money and you WILL OBEY your MASTER!

Meanwhile, I still observe that homosexuality is counter-evolutionary. If it is a side effect of other aspects of evolution, it doesn't matter as we are not conducting a pogrom, just denying the absurd political subsidization of a self-destructive behavior.

Feel free to go through the list of sound-bites again. Do it! You WILL OBEY your Master! Before we are done, you'll be rationalizing your greed as something off the wall like sickofit does, claiming to be a "Libertarian" by denying access to the benefits of civilization to those who don't toe the line politically.

Conflict is inevitable, although the masses are cowards and will wait until they have nothing left and nobody to turn to. That, they probably deserve. But for now, I simply ensure that people like you choose their sides, and that the masses understand that when the conflict starts, there will be no negotiated peace with the likes of you.

Before you are done, your lie will become your genocide. It's who you are, and ... you .... WILL ... serve .... your .... MASTER!

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