Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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That's subjective. A few years from now, we'll all be victims of those children who have youth and hormonal purity on their side. Just watch and see. There's no limit to the idiocy of the politics of denial.
I know who is swimming in the world's longest river, and it ain't me.

There is not such thing as "hormonal purity". That line alone shows that you are an idiot.

Your retarded "let's keep the kids 'pure'" approach has been shown to be a failed policy. The states with the highest teen pregnancy rates are those that try to teach "abstinence only". Sorry, it does not work. Especially when we are young our hormones are too much to keep under control by trying to teach morals from a book of fairy tales. Kids are going to have sex. The best thing you can do is to keep them safe and not pregnant before they can handle a nine pound "bundle of joy".
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I see that besides being a bigot that you cannot think logically.
That stands to reason. Most bigots do have a problem thinking clearly. Of course that is why they are bigots in the first place.
You tried to make a false connection between homosexuality and pedophilia and said because pedophilia is bad that we should ban homosexuality. I pointed out most child molesters are heterosexual and by your "logic" we should ban heterosexuality too.
You failed to understand how that showed your original claim to be nonsense.
How nice. You've come up with a label....and if I'm the bigot, you must be otherwise, eh?

One problem. Find one post where I said we should ban homosexuality. Take your time. You assumed it base on the idea that pedophilia is banned, therefore homosexuality should be. I didn't go on a moral rant to burn the pedophiles. Woodtick57 did.

See how you're stuck in that political trap? When the time comes, you WILL serve your master. You WILL choose to defend pedophilia. You already have chosen.
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I know who is swimming in the world's longest river, and it ain't me.
There is not such thing as "hormonal purity". That line alone shows that you are an idiot.
Your retarded "let's keep the kids 'pure'" approach has been shown to be a failed policy. The states with the highest teen pregnancy rates are those that try to teach "abstinence only". Sorry, it does not work. Especially when we are young our hormones are too much to keep under control by trying to teach morals from a book of fairy tales. Kids are going to have sex. The best thing you can do is to keep them safe and not pregnant before they can handle a nine pound "bundle of joy".
There you go chasing rhetorical observations again.

I don't think of kids as "hormonally pure", but they have not reached a level where adult drives effect their behavior. That's the kind of ridiculous triviality that the politically obsessed fixate on.....kind of like relating teen pregnancy to pedophilia.

BTW - I have no problem with contraception being available to teens. But I prefer that adults set a better example and not promote sexual conquest as a measure of social popularity.

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We know that Charles. Leave your Bible out of it. It's irrelevant.
If you want a good analogy, compare homosexuality to pedophilia. Homosexuals get very indignant with those who compare their sexual fantasies with those of pedophiles. They insist that pedophiles are criminals while homosexuals are "enlightened" leaders of free thought.
The reality is that leaders need to produce results, not chemically induced "gratification". We know what the next step will be with our inefficient, quota mongers of modern liberalism. It won't be leadership anymore than it will be miracles of a biblical nature.
Don't bother meddling in my debates if all you've got is Bible thumping.
Free thinkers indeed.
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<quoted text> Free thinkers indeed.
Sigh! You're not getting the drift.

The major tactic I use here is to be a role model for kids. I don't care about prep school la-las, football jocks, cheerleaders, motorcycle thugs or Harley chicks. I post to provoke thought in the minds of middle class, ordinary kids, the kind of kids who want to be movie stars, yet don't have a clue as to the meat market "lifestyle choices" that usually go along with those ambitions.

Where you miss the boat is quite simple. You dictate rules to kids who want to understand, not obey. You're the other side of the coin of these faux liberals who are just playing a game to see if they can raise the rabble and trick them into doing their dirty work. You don't help.

Now, imagine getting back on topic and debating Creationism vs. Evolution, although Creationism really doesn't have a chance. You could at least approach the subject as a parent might, or as an ethical problem, but dogma isn't going to get you anywhere.
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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

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Didnt the Beatles have a song called evolution
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And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
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There was water before the earth had form and then the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

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How nice. You've come up with a label....and if I'm the bigot, you must be otherwise, eh?
One problem. Find one post where I said we should ban homosexuality. Take your time. You assumed it base on the idea that pedophilia is banned, therefore homosexuality should be. I didn't go on a moral rant to burn the pedophiles. Woodtick57 did.
See how you're stuck in that political trap? When the time comes, you WILL serve your master. You WILL choose to defend pedophilia. You already have chosen.
And another logic fail from anonymous.

You tried to equate homosexuality and pedophilia in an earlier post. So it seems that pedophilia is fine with you. If anyone is going to end up having to defend pedophilia it is the bigoted idiot who cannot defend his own beliefs.
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And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
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This is how it all began and it did not just happen by chance or randomness.

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You were talking about girlfriends, not kids.
What is a "gotbot" and how is that related to homosexuality?
In case you're implying "God-robot", I'm an atheist. Don't use those labels with me. Stop applying the stereotype even when I clearly don't fit.
If you really want a personal motive, I'll clarify, although you'll just have to accept the abstract nature of my opinion and don't be a putz by patronizing me.
Personally, as I've already said to you in the past, I think that I've got significant Native American, African and other inheritances in the family gene-pool. I can only think that there is Melungeon ancestry in the family, or just significant mixing of ancestries while the family was in West Virginia.
Politically, I resent the way the two parties and minorities impose litmus tests on everyone. As I see it, there's no way to have any political voice if you are physically very White, male, middle class but psychologically of mixed genetic background. Sooner or later, they sell you out in favor of their prejudices.
In case you haven't noticed, I can and do exploit this prejudice online where I don't have physical or financial threats to worry about.(Depending on your own views about Big Brother which may be far greater or far less than any of us know!)*
You're over-guessing my confrontational state. It's only a means to bring out your prejudices and confront you with them. In this ongoing debate, I feel it's the best way to attain closure and de-politicize the subjects of Evolution and religion.
It has the side-benefit of demonstrating prejudices within the political system but most people really don't care anyway. To that end, I freely collect the latest irrationality of both parties while comparing it to the policy wonk disinformation I get on the TV. It's very informative.
I've been quite honest all along, but the facts just seem to zip right past the people here who seem to be content to go hunting ants to burn with a magnifying glass. I've already made it quite clear that most of my political beliefs are a blend of liberal and conservative values neither party can accept.
So I reject both parties and have no problem with a good fight! Nuff said!
You're telling me kids in America are not allowed to say NO.
No this goes for all categories, universal. I'ld say stop trying to outguess me and just read.

machismo godbots(the label did not apply to you RTF) rule, harrass and harang their wifes while pregnant.->stress till breakdown->not enough of the proper hormone->homosexual kid. So those guys and the stress they expose their wife too are directly responsiblefor this hormone induced effect.

* stop stereotyping me, or dictate what others think or are. It simply boomerangs back like f.i. woodtick's iterations.
I allready told you that i do not consider a two party system a democracy.

You voice you wanted to see if a lib-cons approach could make a dent in evolution.
Well sofar i've just seen you vent prejudice (we are still on this issue, that as far as i know started with medicalising a trait)

So no i frankly do not see where this should go.

And since when is calling you cute, patronizing or fighting-talk :)

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Didnt the Beatles have a song called evolution
No.

What's an "Arnerican"?

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How nice. You've come up with a label....and if I'm the bigot, you must be otherwise, eh?
One problem. Find one post where I said we should ban homosexuality. Take your time. You assumed it base on the idea that pedophilia is banned, therefore homosexuality should be. I didn't go on a moral rant to burn the pedophiles. Woodtick57 did.
See how you're stuck in that political trap? When the time comes, you WILL serve your master. You WILL choose to defend pedophilia. You already have chosen.
Do you know the difference between a vitamin and a hormone?

You can't hear a vitamin.

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There was water before the earth had form and then the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And the waters said, "Get the hell off my face!"

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Most people are heterosexuals. Does that mean we should ban people?
You've just made my point for me. Morality is subjective. Your actual position is that sex is not sinful. Your conclusion will be that no form of sex is sinful.
My point is that sex is an act of reproduction, first. Any defense of sex that is other than the reproductive act is silly. If you want to protect privacy, I'll buy into that. But that's not what you're doing.
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You discounted epigenetic effects (twice, at least, explained allready) and the matter of consent, as well as human rights and the bio-chemical love mechanism. Let's play along with these exclusions.

You don't need sex, insemination will do. So frankly there is no reason whatsoever in the world to have sex at all.

And i'm not even talking about the risk of pregnancies. If it's a boy the mother is 7% more at risk of something going wrong.
Before your 18 your body is not even fully mature, let lone the mental preparedness.(unicef statistics)
Or even the reasons for having a kid: it colours so nicely with the settee. Usually for silly selfish reasons or because the bible says so. Or just because sh!t happens. Or because the government needs workers or more tax-payers, ditto the church. Or because your bloke thinks it's part of status and achievement.

You just impose your idea on us. It's your brain-chid, so start taking care of it. Or abort it.

It's nothing to do with us.
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And the waters said, "Get the hell off my face!"
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Moral relativism may be any of several philosophical positions concerned with the differences in moral judgments across different people and cultures. Descriptive moral relativism holds only that some people do in fact disagree about what is moral; meta-ethical moral relativism holds that in such disagreements, nobody is objectively right or wrong; and normative moral relativism holds that because nobody is right or wrong, we ought to tolerate the behavior of others even when we disagree about the morality of it.

Not all descriptive relativists adopt meta-ethical relativism, and moreover, not all meta-ethical relativists adopt normative relativism. Richard Rorty, for example, argued that relativist philosophers believe "that the grounds for choosing between such opinions is less algorithmic than had been thought," but not that any belief is equally as valid as any other.[1]

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Genetics even dictates that we will choose, again less algorithmic as thought.
(Apart from quantum macro states in all life)
Discard genetics and social rules that benefit all and nothing is left.
Man is not inherently bad, but has a choice.
Every moment, every day.

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