Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#78351 Mar 2, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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well there are obvious two different manifestation of god represented in the bible...which one did you seek out?
You keep insinuating, but put some facts in it mate.

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#78352 Mar 2, 2013
IS THE OLD TESTAMENT INSPIRED?

If it is, it should be a book that no man no number of men could produce.

It should contain the perfection of philosophy.

It should perfectly accord with every fact in nature.

There should be no mistakes in astronomy, geology, or as to any subject or science.

Its morality should be the highest, the purest.
Its laws and regulations for the control of conduct should be just, wise, perfect, and perfectly adapted to the accomplishment of the ends desired.

It should contain nothing calculated to make man cruel, revengeful, vindictive or infamous.

It should be filled with intelligence, justice, purity, honesty, mercy and the spirit of liberty.

It should be opposed to strife and war, to slavery and lust, to ignorance, credulity and superstition.

It should develop the brain and civilize the heart.

It should satisfy the heart and brain of the best and wisest.

It should be true.

Does the Old Testament satisfy this standard?

Robert G. Ingersoll, 1894

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#78353 Mar 2, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Well, think about it dude. That Hebrew culture was following the same supposed God that you worship today. After reading the Old Testament at a fairly early age I said no way I'm going to follow such an evil God.
And at 9 or 10 years old I was thinking all those stories from the OT were lies. The Bible is a truly BAAAD book
Reading the christian version i totally agree.

I recall reading the quraan for the first time.
I do not throw books away nor burn them, but i gave it to a charity after writing on the side !EVIL

Later i discussed every verse, even up to the grammar used.

So i've been over it 3 times in total.
But only with actual knowledge of the hebrew bible i could point out gross errors.(thus not just that the story digresses)Because it does contain a lot of christian ideas.

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#78354 Mar 2, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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never really heard of a bible killing nobody either...
Bibles have a philosophy and people get caught up in it and end up killing for it.

Guns have no philosophy.

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#78355 Mar 2, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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that's not an answer. You have to describe what constitute God first and foremost.
I don't know what would constitute god. Are we talking a creator god, "spinoza's god," alien life that is sufficiently advanced so as to be indistinguishable from a god, etc?

Anyways, since you are the one who appears to be in possession of evidence, it's up to you to define god as you see fit and then support this god.

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#78356 Mar 2, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Likewise. Try to be practical in your approaches.
You still have no idea what's going on.

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#78357 Mar 2, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Blacks and whites are all equal. No one is more than the other, Dumb!
You are incapable of detecting sarcasm.

So, are gays equal to heterosexuals?

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#78358 Mar 2, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
IS THE OLD TESTAMENT INSPIRED?
If it is, it should be a book that no man no number of men could produce.
It should contain the perfection of philosophy.
It should perfectly accord with every fact in nature.
There should be no mistakes in astronomy, geology, or as to any subject or science.
Its morality should be the highest, the purest.
Its laws and regulations for the control of conduct should be just, wise, perfect, and perfectly adapted to the accomplishment of the ends desired.
It should contain nothing calculated to make man cruel, revengeful, vindictive or infamous.
It should be filled with intelligence, justice, purity, honesty, mercy and the spirit of liberty.
It should be opposed to strife and war, to slavery and lust, to ignorance, credulity and superstition.
It should develop the brain and civilize the heart.
It should satisfy the heart and brain of the best and wisest.
It should be true.
Does the Old Testament satisfy this standard?
Robert G. Ingersoll, 1894
So it's not, because it is a tribal book with a god that lives through waht the tribe lives through. Which is entirely unprecedented. Therefore it never claims absolute truth.

That truth and monotheism is all part of christianity as empire. Ditto for islam that was also invented for empire building. As was PAX for the Roman empire.

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#78359 Mar 2, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Can homosexuals or gays procreate or reproduce?
Can menopausal women reproduce?

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#78360 Mar 2, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Energy creates life
Energy is necessary for life, I think it would be inaccurate, or at least misleading, to say that it "creates" it.

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#78361 Mar 2, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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But I did mention that it depends on how you define "life"
a battery has life, a car engine has life, an equipment has life, etc.
Everything in the universe has life. A star dies and a star is born. But we don't define this life in biological terms.
That word... I don't think it means what you think it means.

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#78362 Mar 2, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Bibles have a philosophy and people get caught up in it and end up killing for it.
Guns have no philosophy.
Bibles do kill!
Sunday ride to the church. Bibles on the hat(uh what's the word)space. Sudden brake. Bibles flying. Two killed.
Lethal those bibles.

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#78363 Mar 2, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I understand that earlier than now.
Can adults of the sex reproduce or procreate?
Do you define an individual's worth based solely on their ability to reproduce?

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#78364 Mar 2, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I guarantee to you, sir, that any adults who do reproduce have, in fact, a sex.
I dunno. That's a pretty controversial opinion.

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#78365 Mar 2, 2013
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The "Negros" had an agenda as a political group. Why wouldn't they? But this isn't about equality or rights, it's about special privilege. Already been there, but if you want to go through the list of rhetorical sound bites again, have at it.
* Marriage - not a right, not even mentioned in the Constitution. Best described as a privileged group given funding and special protection at the state level, mostly as an effort to protect the raising of children. Could be interpreted as a means of the State and Capitalists to financially encumber citizens beyond their means to make free political choices.
* Homosexuality - at best, described as a medical condition, but if it IS considered a lifestyle choice, that makes it political and not a protected condition. There would be great debate as to whether or not homosexuals are capable of assuming proper parental roles, but in the current state of debate, liberals would generate bogus statistics anyway.
* Political wedge issue - absolutely, just as abortion is with conservatives, homosexuality is with liberals. In both cases, these are litmus test issues where those disloyal to a party are forced into a financially punitive lifestyle, either by raising children they can't afford, or by heaping further financial burdens on the unmarried through unfairly taxing the minority to the benefit of the majority.
See, it really isn't about your stereotype idea that I'm a conservative zealot. But you're going to go through your spiel anyway. So.... DO it! You WILL go through EVERY single piece of your rhetoric ANYWAY! You'll probably even try to ask offensively personal questions in an attempt to dominate the discussion.
But you WILL DO IT! Obey your master! DO IT!
Do we have a cute little objectivist here?

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#78366 Mar 2, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Pales in comparison to the what science has brought upon the world...gun power,atomic bombs,abortions...so forth.
Makes no difference at all....a loving and peaceful God should not be responsible for any deaths.

Do you remember the part of the Bible where it says 'suffer not a witch to live'?? Well the Christian Church decided to follow that injunction at one time and started killing people being accused of 'witchcraft'. Killed probably over a million people. Then a man of high social class suggested that witchcraft was probably not real. Of course he was right and the church stopped killing innocents.

The point of all this is that there are NO witch's....NEVER has been, yet the Bible, the supposed 'Word of God', was totally wrong and so was HIS Church and HIS followers.

Kinda makes one wonder....WHO REALLY wrote this book with false information and PROVABLY false foundational stories.??

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#78367 Mar 2, 2013
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Now, you've struck your pose. It's nice to see that you're slumming with the ghetto folk and showing some soul! I hope that doesn't translate into something you've casually written off concerning minorities.
Now! Tell me how I'm projecting. What am I projecting other than a quite candid disrespect for the what I quite explicitly regard a prejudicial treatment against unmarried people? Do you think I'm black and that my politics are all part of your tidy world view?
Well, maybe there's a bit of that in the family tree, but as every real black would remind me, I don't look it so I'm not black like them. Besides, the psychological impact of black personality traits on a mixed race person are not as obvious as with others in our Western culture. You'd probably have a harder time detecting a part-Asian in Eastern Europe too, but that's not the Liberal political line, so run with it! You WILL run with it. Obey your master!
I CAN think of one or two political types who like to play into that "soul" thing, but usually that's just an offensive stereotype that whites have of blacks as reckless and promiscuous.
Hmmmm. We haven't explored that nasty side of White liberalism on Topix yet. Wanna act that one out for everyone? Be a sport! You can call me "boy" if I can call you "boi" and we can all call Bill Clinton "bubba". Whoo hoo!
What are you talking about?

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#78368 Mar 2, 2013
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AND it's YOUR turn!!
I'll tell you my first angle! Here it is: Are you Gay?
About 1 out of 2 posters on an Evolution forum who take the Evolution point of view are playing the gay angle. They don't want to SAY they're gay, but the love to ask offensive questions and make people uncomfortable. Some don't want to admit they're gay, some aren't but like to get all "downtown" with the bros. When it comes down to it, it's an inevitable "you're either with us or against us" political tactic and NOW you'll have to pay the price!
OK,the clock is ticking. Post #1 and all I'm asking for is a simple YES or NO response. No secret codes, innuendo or gang signs. Just answer the question.
No, but I'm not sure why it matters. I've completely forgotten what we were talking about, but you seem to have gotten quite worked up about it.

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#78369 Mar 2, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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So it's not, because it is a tribal book with a god that lives through waht the tribe lives through. Which is entirely unprecedented. Therefore it never claims absolute truth.
That truth and monotheism is all part of christianity as empire. Ditto for islam that was also invented for empire building. As was PAX for the Roman empire.
Absolutely right sir. Paul recognized a real opportunity when he founded the Christian church. His Christianity proved to be so powerful that it ruled mankind for 15+ centuries.

It's all a lie and needs to be torn down.

Well, maybe just take ALL its political power and influence away from it. In today's world there are two religions who ARE going to butt heads pretty soon and humanity WILL suffer for it.

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#78370 Mar 2, 2013
"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics." Robert A. Heinlein

Ramen brother.....

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