Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#78234 Mar 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"The fossil record, however, is quite incomplete. Here's one major reason why: Sediment has to cover an organism's remains in order for the long fossilization process to begin. Most organisms decompose before this can happen. Fossilization odds increase if the organism happened to exist in large numbers or lived in or around sediment. For example, trilobites, ancient marine arthropods, met both criteria, so they're rather common fossils. The Tyrannosaurus rex, however, is far rarer. It was large and land-dwelling, and as a top predator made up a far smaller percentage of the population."
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmenta...
Of course it is incomplete And you gave the reason why. It still supports only the theory of evolution. It does not support creation at all.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78235 Mar 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Is the word Cult suppose to be an insult?
cult\ˈkəlt\
noun
Usage: often attributive
1 : formal religious veneration : worship
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual:
"why would your mythical god not give his favored creatures the best eye he could design and instead give it to a little shrimp?"
God created man in his own image.
That's why we don't have wings and gills too.
No, the word cult is an accurate description of religion.

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#78236 Mar 2, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting read, of on an entirely different track and bibliography:
http://vridar.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/which-...
Adam has cognates in surrounding languages all pointing to a bimorph male/female fertilify and fecundity god(dess).
Havva (M.hbr.Khava) means 'wide/broad birth' and adam 'fertile/fecundity ground'.
Tsela can mean taking from anything of the body, also the womb f.i.

Ah well, we read up and know this.
It's not to be taken literary.
Interesting. For now I'll stick with the rib.

Since: Jun 12

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#78237 Mar 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>No, they are related, just as you are.
I would think that anyone, who cannot tell the difference between a human and an ape...

should I post some pics?

Like I said, your concepts of relationships between apes and humans are strictly arbitrary, and made up...that's a fact, jack.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78238 Mar 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the word Cult suppose to be an insult?
cult\ˈkəlt\
noun
Usage: often attributive
1 : formal religious veneration : worship
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual:
"why would your mythical god not give his favored creatures the best eye he could design and instead give it to a little shrimp?"
God created man in his own image.
That's why we don't have wings and gills too.
your mythical god has eyes and a body? really?!?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78239 Mar 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
"The fossil record, however, is quite incomplete. Here's one major reason why: Sediment has to cover an organism's remains in order for the long fossilization process to begin. Most organisms decompose before this can happen. Fossilization odds increase if the organism happened to exist in large numbers or lived in or around sediment. For example, trilobites, ancient marine arthropods, met both criteria, so they're rather common fossils. The Tyrannosaurus rex, however, is far rarer. It was large and land-dwelling, and as a top predator made up a far smaller percentage of the population."
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmenta...
pretty amazing that we have the info we do have then, isn't it? imagine if every creature ever alive was recorded in fossils...

““You must not lose faith ”

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#78240 Mar 2, 2013
Well picked one at random.
http://www.usccb.org/bible/psalms/8/#23008005...
'son of man'=generic use of adam. So when you see 'adam' you read 'mankind'!
'god' in that psalm would be correctly translated as elohein /on of the judges, a 'judge'.
Mankind is small, a mere nothing. Is at core of that psalm.
PSALMS ARE NOT WRITTEN TO CONFIRM BUT SIMPLY VERSE IN SONG THAT USUALLY RELATE TO A PARAGRAPH IN SCRIPTURE. IF NOT THEY ARE PROBABLY LATER ADDED CHRISTIAN INTERPOLATIONS.
Angles(daft CE stuff) messenger of the court, or with the connotation: if around you are supposed to read between the lines, get the meaning behind it, open your eyes, and than open them again.

Langoliers it would be a start if you got at least that lesson of human kinds insignificance, instead of thnking mankind is the pinnacle and entire raison d'tre for the universe.

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#78241 Mar 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, we travel in the winter when i am not working. you should try it. yes, hovland is our winter home, afton is our summer home.

we're on our way to chicago now after coming back from AZ. anything else you would like to know?
Nothing else just asking what I stated that you claim was wrong. There was no Internet to imply something the you had not freely told me.

I work year round.

Speaking of hovland did you know that the last caribou in Minnesota was hit by a car and killed in hovland?

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#78242 Mar 2, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>This get's so tiresome. Don't opine!
The rules of debate state that you then have to forward reasons and if at all possible with sources and based on science.(since that is what we aim for here. A different kind of un-sciency theological debate can be had or other threads.)
Adam was created with a full knowledge of language including the written word.

There was no need to evolve to a knowledge of language.

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#78243 Mar 2, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Read your own article. They do not remove the entire rib, they remove a piece of it.
True. I never claimed the whole rib was removed.

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#78244 Mar 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>But not how to write? what a tool!
Why not?

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#78245 Mar 2, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Once again you failed. They cut out a piece of the rib. The same thing can be done with other bones too. The rib is not unique in this aspect. If you remove the entire rib I do not think you will find an article from a non-creatard medical source that claims it will grow back.
Only a small piece needs to be left for the rib to regenerate. Unlike other bones.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78246 Mar 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Adam was created with a full knowledge of language including the written word.
There was no need to evolve to a knowledge of language.
yet, they didn';t write anything down...

sure pal, sure...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78247 Mar 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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True. I never claimed the whole rib was removed.
where has a removed piece of rib ever grown into a full human?

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#78248 Mar 2, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Of course it is incomplete And you gave the reason why. It still supports only the theory of evolution. It does not support creation at all.
Claiming the fossil record as proof of evolution is a bit like claiming missing evidence is as good as real evidence.

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#78249 Mar 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>No, they are related, just as you are.
all living creatures are related under those terms...you related to that dog your sporting. So?...doesn't mean you are a dog, no more that it means you are a butterfly.

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#78250 Mar 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>your mythical god has eyes and a body? really?!?
You seem so uneducated today what's wrong?

The Bible clearly claims God created man in his image.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#78251 Mar 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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True. I never claimed the whole rib was removed.
Actually you did.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78252 Mar 2, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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all living creatures are related under those terms...you related to that dog your sporting. So?...doesn't mean you are a dog, no more that it means you are a butterfly.
Now you'e geting it! just like you are not an ape. your species branched off a common line that the apes did.

should we begin discussing tutorial fees now?

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#78253 Mar 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Claiming the fossil record as proof of evolution is a bit like claiming missing evidence is as good as real evidence.
Like most creatards you have no clue what evidence is.

As I said, even honest creationists will admit that the fossil record only supports the theory of evolution. There is no scientific evidence for creation. So incomplete or not, even a little evidence, and there is far more than a little in the fossil record, beats no evidence at all.

And of course the DNA record is overwhelming evidence that evolution occurred. ERV's are a slam dunk. The odds of us sharing the ERV's that we do with chimpanzees by nonevolutionary means is on the order of 1 out of 10^880,000.

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