Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 168870 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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St. Croix valley

#78118 Mar 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I would say, compared to a rock...insects are quite brilliant...
Brilliant would also suggest intelligence. insects do not have intelligence.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78119 Mar 1, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Woodtick is in the twin city's I live on the North Shore of Lake Superior year round not him. He spends time in Grand Marais, he said in the winter time but he also said he is currently in the twin city's
And it is winter so who knows. I don't doubt he comes up here but it's not a year round thing.
Ahhh the 'local' cry... you are such a sheep...

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#78120 Mar 1, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Really? Duh!!
The point pin head is why did man start recording history at the same time the Bible says he created man?
You had millions and millions of years to draw something on a cave wall somewhere but nope, nothing.
Wow, you do know that the bible was written AFTER we started writing too, right? But then here's the thing, humans didn't have writing in the bible until after we were supposedly created, thus, another fact your bible got wrong. If we started writing 5K years ago, we would have had to exist before that time. So genius, learn to add.

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#78121 Mar 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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If you pay really close attention... I have noticed that bees appear to have personality traits(as well as other insects)...some seem to even exhibit curiosity...
True. My cat has his own personality. More well-behaved than other cats. He thinks when he's watching TV that the images on the TV are real. He tries to figure out how he can get into the screen by scratching the bottom or the back of the TV. lol.

Animals have an awareness, although different level compared to humans. if they were not aware, they would not survive. In the wild, all animals are aware of their predators and their prey, some more agile than others, others smarter than others.

But plants or flowers such as bee orchids that take the form of a female bee, to attract male bees is something else. If it doesn't have awareness, how they grow a certain form is sure nature by design.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78122 Mar 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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True. My cat has his own personality. More well-behaved than other cats. He thinks when he's watching TV that the images on the TV are real. He tries to figure out how he can get into the screen by scratching the bottom or the back of the TV. lol.
Animals have an awareness, although different level compared to humans. if they were not aware, they would not survive. In the wild, all animals are aware of their predators and their prey, some more agile than others, others smarter than others.
But plants or flowers such as bee orchids that take the form of a female bee, to attract male bees is something else. If it doesn't have awareness, how they grow a certain form is sure nature by design.
yes, some animals have intelligence. insects do not.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78123 Mar 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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True. My cat has his own personality. More well-behaved than other cats. He thinks when he's watching TV that the images on the TV are real. He tries to figure out how he can get into the screen by scratching the bottom or the back of the TV. lol.
Animals have an awareness, although different level compared to humans. if they were not aware, they would not survive. In the wild, all animals are aware of their predators and their prey, some more agile than others, others smarter than others.
But plants or flowers such as bee orchids that take the form of a female bee, to attract male bees is something else. If it doesn't have awareness, how they grow a certain form is sure nature by design.
why is it you assume it is by some design? isn't that ruling out myriads of other potential reasons for that?\]pretty closed minded of you, isn't it?

or would indoctrinated be the correct word...

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#78124 Mar 1, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, some animals have intelligence. insects do not.
Who ever said anything about INTELLIGENCE? Again, you are putting words in people's mouth.

Here:

Insects may have consciousness and could even be able to count, claim experts:

Insects with minuscule brains may be as intelligent as much bigger animals and may even have consciousness, it was claimed today.

Having a brain the size of a pinhead does not necessarily make you less bright, say researchers.

Computer simulations show that consciousness could be generated in neural circuits tiny enough to fit into an insect's brain, according to the scientists at Queen Mary, University of London and Cambridge University.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78125 Mar 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Who ever said anything about INTELLIGENCE? Again, you are putting words in people's mouth.
Here:
Insects may have consciousness and could even be able to count, claim experts:
Insects with minuscule brains may be as intelligent as much bigger animals and may even have consciousness, it was claimed today.
Having a brain the size of a pinhead does not necessarily make you less bright, say researchers.
Computer simulations show that consciousness could be generated in neural circuits tiny enough to fit into an insect's brain, according to the scientists at Queen Mary, University of London and Cambridge University.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...
Ummm....insects don't have a brain. they have a nervous sytem and that is all...

how is consciousness different from intelligence?

yes, we know insects can measure. that is not intelligence.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78126 Mar 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Who ever said anything about INTELLIGENCE? Again, you are putting words in people's mouth.
Here:
Insects may have consciousness and could even be able to count, claim experts:
Insects with minuscule brains may be as intelligent as much bigger animals and may even have consciousness, it was claimed today.
Having a brain the size of a pinhead does not necessarily make you less bright, say researchers.
Computer simulations show that consciousness could be generated in neural circuits tiny enough to fit into an insect's brain, according to the scientists at Queen Mary, University of London and Cambridge University.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...
do you realize that you just said insects may be as intelligent as much larger animals after asking "who said anything about intelligence?"

are you really paying attention? are you drunk again?

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#78127 Mar 1, 2013
We are all a product of evolution

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#78128 Mar 1, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>do you realize that you just said insects may be as intelligent as much larger animals after asking "who said anything about intelligence?"
are you really paying attention? are you drunk again?
No. We never mentioned intelligence, but you like to put words in our mouths so I found a link that proves your statement wrong, that insects don't have intelligence, since you brought it up.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78129 Mar 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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No. We never mentioned intelligence, but you like to put words in our mouths so I found a link that proves your statement wrong, that insects don't have intelligence, since you brought it up.
So what about this quote of yours?:

"Insects with minuscule brains may be as intelligent as much bigger animals and may even have consciousness, it was claimed today."

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78130 Mar 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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No. We never mentioned intelligence, but you like to put words in our mouths so I found a link that proves your statement wrong, that insects don't have intelligence, since you brought it up.
Did you lose at beer pong again?

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#78131 Mar 1, 2013
must I once again chime in to this argument? yes I must.

Evolution and Creation are 'both' true. First there was Creation and then everything evolved from there.

Now. Simple to understand isn't it?

The "Divine' spark which was given to humanity has a well documented evolutionary path. Yet first came 'the spark' of conscious awareness' in order for Mankind to rise above the animal instinctive impulses and be self conscious..........with the abilty to preface in speach the "I"
I think.
I do are do not like this.
I seek to make this a better world.

CABISH?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78132 Mar 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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No. We never mentioned intelligence, but you like to put words in our mouths so I found a link that proves your statement wrong, that insects don't have intelligence, since you brought it up.
is that the royal 'we'? Are you posting under multiple monikers?
are you suffering from multiple personality disorder?

whom is "we"?

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#78133 Mar 1, 2013
now the hoodmeisters such as Alex Jones will take former posts by Stellar KNight in this thread where he set the stage in a boxing ring....
"and in this corner it is Creao the Creationists"
and in the other corner EVO the evolutionist!"
lol
and ole Alex the rip off artist of others research actually went on the road to Florida in an RV and set the stage like a boxin match with opposing parties being
"In this corner the new world order"
and in this corner those who love liberty.
or something to that effect.
Immitation is the greatest flattery

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#78135 Mar 1, 2013
Both evolution and creation are true.

so quit ranting..pick up your marbles..........go home and find common ground.

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#78136 Mar 1, 2013
Nothing can 'evolve' unless it was first created to do so.

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#78137 Mar 1, 2013
And in a most profound Biblical sense. In the New Testament one finds The Christ saying.."I am the I Am'
This divine spark of "I" when we speak is not evolutionary rather poignantly both purposely and instuctionally brought to humankind or humanity in a most interesting way.

As a gift.

Only man can say " I" in fact only we can speak to say I to begin with.
And where does the gift of speech derive its origen?

The Gospel of John Chapter 1.

"In the beggining was the word and the word was God and the word was with God. So it was in the Beginning

Clearly , the beginning was of divine origen. It's evolution our human journey from there proves we evolve as well.
The question today since the advent of the machine and the materialistic conception of the world is are we 'evolving' or de vovling?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#78138 Mar 1, 2013
Tooth4U wrote:
Both evolution and creation are true.
so quit ranting..pick up your marbles..........go home and find common ground.
no evidence of any creator whatsover. none. nada. zip. zilch.

lots of evidence for evolution. tons. boatloads. sackfulls. "whole lotta love, unn unn, whole lotta love, unn unn. you need groovin'..." really , really a lot of it man...

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