Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Did you read my question, I said "pollinating insects"
We are not talking about bees alone. I wanted to know the co-evolution of two different species. pollinating insects and flowers are example of commensalism. Geesh you guys still don't get it.
Did you read your OWN post? You initially said bees:
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Any evolutionists dare to answer my question? Explain the co-evolution of bees and flowers and their symbiotic relationship in nature.
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Not my problem you can't keep track of your own stuff.

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Like that's likely ;p

But thanks for the link, though i always wondered how those wasps got in the olive's closely folded flower in the first place. Seems an awfull lot of work. Just things to ponder before one goes to sleep. Probably because they prayed on the smaller female species (or male?) that hid away. Good article.
Parasitism and symbiosis in one go.

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Did you read your OWN post? You initially said bees:
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Not my problem you can't keep track of your own stuff.
Yes I know because bees were a good example of pollinating insects, it's why they're called floral specialists. And if you find there are many articles about the mystery of bees and flowers, rather than beetles and flowers, etc. It's like saying which came first chicken or the egg. When there are other animals that lay eggs too. It's the basic idea that you're not getting and instead nitpicking on details that are irrelevant. I did try to ask a less-specific question.

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Commensalism -- one organism benefits; the other is neither harmed nor helped.

So those 'cannibal' wasp/bee concestors practiced unassisted suicide?

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What don't you understand about it? It is not that difficult of a subject?
Cybele, here is a suggestion, rather than thinking you have all of the answers and doubting evolution, you should be taking basic science classes. MIT has some excellent free lectures you can watch on YouTube. Think about it, perhaps the best college in the U.S. when it comes to science and they are giving it away for free!
Actually, I wanted to learn more about noncoding DNA. It's why I keep asking here for DNA evidence for evolution. ERV is another story. I might try to look into that more.

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Commensalism -- one organism benefits; the other is neither harmed nor helped.
So those 'cannibal' wasp/bee concestors practiced unassisted suicide?
what cannibal? bees and wasp? lol

And you rely much on Dawkins terminology? Funny how he is open to the idea of advanced or intelligent life out there.

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Cybele wrote:
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Yes I know because bees were a good example of pollinating insects, it's why they're called floral specialists. And if you find there are many articles about the mystery of bees and flowers, rather than beetles and flowers, etc. It's like saying which came first chicken or the egg. When there are other animals that lay eggs too. It's the basic idea that you're not getting and instead nitpicking on details that are irrelevant. I did try to ask a less-specific question.
there is no mystery about bees and flowers whatsoever. flowers provide a great food source, bees take advantage of it.

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What don't you understand about it? It is not that difficult of a subject?
Cybele, here is a suggestion, rather than thinking you have all of the answers and doubting evolution, you should be taking basic science classes. MIT has some excellent free lectures you can watch on YouTube. Think about it, perhaps the best college in the U.S. when it comes to science and they are giving it away for free!
Cool!

Thanks.

She doesn't have the guts to do that, though.

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Actually, I wanted to learn more about noncoding DNA. It's why I keep asking here for DNA evidence for evolution. ERV is another story. I might try to look into that more.
On the order of 98% of the genome is noncoding DNA, ERV's are only part of that, though extremely rarely the DNA in an ERV has been found to be of use for the host. Project ENCODE came out and claimed at first that parts of noncoding DNA still were vital. And perhaps as much as 100% of the genome was vital. Creationists seized onto this claim as if it were the Gospels themselves since the ones that understood DNA new that "junk DNA" made no sense from a creationist paradigm. Well, as with many other projects. the projections that they gave at the start fell far short of their claims.

They found that perhaps ten percent of the genome was regulatory, if you took a very lose definition of regulatory. So they were partially right, they found that more of the code was useful than before. They never met the creationist fantasies, though you will still here them claim that the projections were the result.

So what do you need to know about noncoding DNA? Again, that is pretty much the end of project ENCODE's claims of 100% usability.

Here is a quick and easy debunk of project ENCODE. If our DNA is one hundred percent functional then all DNA in all life should be 100% functional. An onion has over two times the DNA that a human being has, as far as size of genome goes. Why does an onion need over twice the DNA of a human? Isn't it more likely that an onion merely has over twice the junk DNA that a human does?

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what cannibal? bees and wasp? lol
And you rely much on Dawkins terminology? Funny how he is open to the idea of advanced or intelligent life out there.
Other life in the universe is a near certainty.

Why would it be funny for him to be open to it.

I would think it funny for him NOT to be.

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<quoted text>there is no mystery about bees and flowers whatsoever. flowers provide a great food source, bees take advantage of it.
that is third grade level of understanding. It's like saying horse eats grass, so what. You haven't addressed the question I asked. How did these two different species, a plant and an insect co-evolve? So nothing created bees, they just sprang to life and started pollinating and found their niche. And yet there's nothing special about it. Please, don't give flowers to the woman in your life, because they probably don't mean anything as well. lol

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Yes I know because bees were a good example of pollinating insects, it's why they're called floral specialists. And if you find there are many articles about the mystery of bees and flowers, rather than beetles and flowers, etc. It's like saying which came first chicken or the egg. When there are other animals that lay eggs too. It's the basic idea that you're not getting and instead nitpicking on details that are irrelevant. I did try to ask a less-specific question.
The egg came first.

That question has been answered.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/genetic...

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Other life in the universe is a near certainty.
Why would it be funny for him to be open to it.
I would think it funny for him NOT to be.
Look it up on you tube. Why would they (tyson and dawkins) make a video on poetry of science eh?

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The egg came first.
That question has been answered.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/genetic...
nope it's still a paradox. nice try
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How embarrassing. "No bees needed" indeed.
Are you suggesting that he has bees in his front room?? Oh.. wait... you missed the front room part. Seems to me, if you can "miss" something as rudimentary as that, there is probably a whole lot of other things you have "missed" in this argument. How embarrassing!

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Are you suggesting that he has bees in his front room?? Oh.. wait... you missed the front room part. Seems to me, if you can "miss" something as rudimentary as that, there is probably a whole lot of other things you have "missed" in this argument. How embarrassing!
it would seem he saw the 'front room' part and agreed that, indeed, no bees are needed...

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Cybele wrote:
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that is third grade level of understanding. It's like saying horse eats grass, so what. You haven't addressed the question I asked. How did these two different species, a plant and an insect co-evolve? So nothing created bees, they just sprang to life and started pollinating and found their niche. And yet there's nothing special about it. Please, don't give flowers to the woman in your life, because they probably don't mean anything as well. lol
For crying out loud! This IS 3rd grade stuff! Bees did not set out to "pollinate" flowers. Flowers were one of their food sources. The fact that pollen clings to the hairs on their legs during the time they spends drinking nectar is no different than a mechanic getting grease on his hands while working on an engine. Shit happens. The fact that bees transfer pollen from flowere to flower is no different than you tracking dirt around your house that you picked up on your shoes when you were outside! It just works out that way! The fact that it helps the flowers doesn't mean the bees know what they were doing or that they were designed to do it!

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Ascendo Tuum wrote:
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Are you suggesting that he has bees in his front room?? Oh.. wait... you missed the front room part. Seems to me, if you can "miss" something as rudimentary as that, there is probably a whole lot of other things you have "missed" in this argument. How embarrassing!
You are the one who should be embarrassed now. I made no suggestion that there should be bees. I was commenting on how I missed the fact that the tree was in his front room. Ergo my no bees indeed quote.

Your fail is almost a variation of Muphry's Law.

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<quoted text>it would seem he saw the 'front room' part and agreed that, indeed, no bees are needed...
what about crabs? lol

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<quoted text>For crying out loud! This IS 3rd grade stuff! Bees did not set out to "pollinate" flowers. Flowers were one of their food sources. The fact that pollen clings to the hairs on their legs during the time they spends drinking nectar is no different than a mechanic getting grease on his hands while working on an engine. Shit happens. The fact that bees transfer pollen from flowere to flower is no different than you tracking dirt around your house that you picked up on your shoes when you were outside! It just works out that way! The fact that it helps the flowers doesn't mean the bees know what they were doing or that they were designed to do it!
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