Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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http://mostextreme.org/oldest_civilization.ph...

"The earliest signs of a transition from nomadic to permanent, year-round settlement process can be traced back to the Mediterranean region to as early as 12000 BC, when the Natufian culture became sedentary and evolved into an agricultural society by 10000 BC."

Since recorded history can only exist when writing does, there's this other bit of study we use, it's called archeology. You know, the field many people tried to pass off fraudulent evidence for certain biblical artifacts.

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Creotards keep saying there is no scientific evidence for evolution....the problem seems to be they can't or won't use the search function of google.com .

The evidence for evolution has primarily come from four sources:
1. the fossil record of change in earlier species
2. the chemical and anatomical similarities of related life forms
3. the geographic distribution of related species
4. the recorded genetic changes in living organisms over many generations

Full Article: http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
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Signs of recent evolution by natural selection are widespread across the human genome, experts say.

Genome researchers at the University of Chicago have identified more than 700 regions in human DNA where apparently strong selection has occurred, driving the spread of genes linked to a broad range of characteristics.

"These are very recent events—within the past ten thousand years," said Jonathan Pritchard, a geneticist whose laboratory team conducted the study.
The results suggest that humans in different regions have continued to adapt in numerous ways to both environmental changes and cultural innovations.

Full Article: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/...

Five Proofs of Evolution: http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-pro...
The Probability of Life: http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/probabil...

Lines of evidence: The science of evolution: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...

National Academy of Sciences information on evolution:
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/ne...

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Langy, written history goes back to roughly 5,000 years ago:

http://science4heretics.blogspot.com/2011/04/...

Cave drawings can be found that are more than 40,000 years old.

So what if written history is only 5,000 years old. That is not a upper limit on the age of the Earth in any way

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Subduction Zone wrote:
Langy, written history goes back to roughly 5,000 years ago:
http://science4heretics.blogspot.com/2011/04/...
Cave drawings can be found that are more than 40,000 years old.
So what if written history is only 5,000 years old. That is not a upper limit on the age of the Earth in any way
I think he assumes that once we evolved brains we'd evolve writing on the same generation or something. He fails to acknowledge, or perhaps learn, that language had to develop from nothing but grunts and gestures.

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Langoliers wrote:
"One of the simplest and best proofs that evolution is a joke, is the FACT that there is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C. The world's history is CLEARY defined by SIX world powers since time began: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Since Rome's fall in 476 A.D., there have been no world-powers (many super-powers; but, no world-powers). At the time of Moses, Egypt ruled the world. The Israelites were used as slave labor by Pharaoh to build the pyramids. Before Egypt, there is absolutely nothing recorded in history about a world-power.
It is NO coincidence that Revelation 17:10 speaks of these world-powers, "...five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." At the writing of Revelation, Rome was still a world-power. The Apostle John, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that Rome is the 6th world-power, and there is one more to come. The 7th world-power will be the beast system, the kingdom of the antichrist. This diabolical New World Order is quickly forming now (i.e., a universal religious view, global centralized government, a one-world economic system, a cashless society, etc.).
Do you think it's a mere coincidence that the Word of God is so concise on world history? The Bible records the beginning of mankind at about 4,000 B.C., and secular history is eerily silent before 4,000 B.C. for those who claim to believe in evolution. If I were an evolutionist, I would be extremely disturbed by this FACT. Prove me wrong! I dare you. I triple-dog dare you to show me any recorded civilization before 4,000 B.C. And I don't mean some pottery jug or item that you claim is 14,000 years old--Show me any evidence of civilization prior to 4,000 B.C. You cannot. In fact, it is difficult to find much recorded history before 2,500 B.C., because the flood of Noah's day destroyed most of it.
How can evolutionists be so naive and foolish as to totally ignore this incredibly obvious fact? There is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C., no writings, no carved stones, no battles, no wars, no countries, no nothing! It's as if mankind just suddenly began (which is exactly what the Bible teaches happened). God created man out of the dirt, the elements, of the earth. "
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%2520...
Dummy....writing was not invented untill about 3500-3100 BC. There is monoliths (carved stone) from Turkey that date to around 11,000 12,000 BP and a mural also in Turkey that is dated to about the same time. Look up:
Gobekli Tepe in google. or

Also try:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...

Just because you don't do any research don't think your world-view is true. There's a great big world out there dude, full of wonderful things...one has only to inquire.

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Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Then you are a victim of bad Catholicism for the last 150 years.
One, religion cannot be personal. If one knows the truth, then you have an obligation to share it, and enlighten others, which is exactly what Jesus taught. If you believe in God, then you'd be proclaiming that, and attempting to persuade others.
And a day will come when you will have to accept your cousin's honest attempt to save your soul and take him seriously, or admit that you despise him and his faith. Either your cousin is right, or he is wrong. There is no middle ground. Either you are right, or you are wrong, but your cousin has more than enough evidence to prove you are wrong ... if you but listen.
God bless.
His cousin is wrong.
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Thomas Robertson wrote:
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Oh, the British have made significant contributions to the world?
That's wonderful!
Charles Idemi wrote:
I suppose that entitles the British to treat the Irish any way they please?
You are Anglophobic!
Find out what the IRA did to innocent souls.
I wrote:
Oh, I misunderstood!
I humbly apologize!
I thought you were arguing that British contributions to the world justified mistreatment of the Irish!
Instead, you were arguing that atrocities committed by the IRA justify mistreatment of the Irish.
Now please explain how atrocities committed by the IRA justify mistreatment of the Irish.
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I can't wait to see this.
If he answers me this time,
he will probably switch to still a third subject.
Anyone want to make a bet?
I'm kind of hoping we can get him to segue into the subject of pole dancing. He's a natural.

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I am a Libertarian(REAL CONSERVATIVE). I love freedom and equality and justice for all...That is why religion to me is evil.
To me the government needs to be shrunk 70% and spend 70% less and get rid of 70% of laws...
Now what???
Are you ready to pave your own roads?

Maintain your own electrical grid?

Maintain your own water and sewage?

Eat rotten food?

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Langoliers wrote:
"One of the simplest and best proofs that evolution is a joke, is the FACT that there is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C. The world's history is CLEARY defined by SIX world powers since time began: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Since Rome's fall in 476 A.D., there have been no world-powers (many super-powers; but, no world-powers). At the time of Moses, Egypt ruled the world. The Israelites were used as slave labor by Pharaoh to build the pyramids. Before Egypt, there is absolutely nothing recorded in history about a world-power.
It is NO coincidence that Revelation 17:10 speaks of these world-powers, "...five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." At the writing of Revelation, Rome was still a world-power. The Apostle John, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that Rome is the 6th world-power, and there is one more to come. The 7th world-power will be the beast system, the kingdom of the antichrist. This diabolical New World Order is quickly forming now (i.e., a universal religious view, global centralized government, a one-world economic system, a cashless society, etc.).
Do you think it's a mere coincidence that the Word of God is so concise on world history? The Bible records the beginning of mankind at about 4,000 B.C., and secular history is eerily silent before 4,000 B.C. for those who claim to believe in evolution. If I were an evolutionist, I would be extremely disturbed by this FACT. Prove me wrong! I dare you. I triple-dog dare you to show me any recorded civilization before 4,000 B.C. And I don't mean some pottery jug or item that you claim is 14,000 years old--Show me any evidence of civilization prior to 4,000 B.C. You cannot. In fact, it is difficult to find much recorded history before 2,500 B.C., because the flood of Noah's day destroyed most of it.
How can evolutionists be so naive and foolish as to totally ignore this incredibly obvious fact? There is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C., no writings, no carved stones, no battles, no wars, no countries, no nothing! It's as if mankind just suddenly began (which is exactly what the Bible teaches happened). God created man out of the dirt, the elements, of the earth. "
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%2520...
Oops, sorry I was wrong on the mural…it was in Syria not Turkey.

“Damascus - Mural paintings dating back 11 000 years have been found in a building on a bank of the River Euphrates in northern Syria, a French archaeologist said on Tuesday.

Eric Coqueugniot said they were the oldest murals found in the Middle East.

"Geometric paintings - black, white and red - have been found on the wall of a house in Jadeh," he said, adding that they were discovered in late September in a circular house with a diameter of about seven metres.

The house was in a riverside village dating from the start of the neolithic era in the Middle East, 9 000 years BC.

The researchers found numerous flint objects at the site along with a figurine of a man."

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<quoted text>History cannot be recorded until writing is invented, and that happened way earlier than 4,000 BC. There are tons of civilizations before 4,000 BC, even Egypt existed prior to that by many centuries. Do you just ignore everything that differs from your bible?
Really? Duh!!

The point pin head is why did man start recording history at the same time the Bible says he created man?

You had millions and millions of years to draw something on a cave wall somewhere but nope, nothing.

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Langy, written history goes back to roughly 5,000 years ago:

http://science4heretics.blogspot.com/2011/04/...

Cave drawings can be found that are more than 40,000 years old.

So what if written history is only 5,000 years old. That is not a upper limit on the age of the Earth in any way
Right!!!

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<quoted text>History cannot be recorded until writing is invented, and that happened way earlier than 4,000 BC. There are tons of civilizations before 4,000 BC, even Egypt existed prior to that by many centuries. Do you just ignore everything that differs from your bible?
It's just a Coincidence! Billions of years and your millions years old theory wrote nothing until Adam walked the earth.

You are quite the believe in your faith.

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Really? Duh!!
The point pin head is why did man start recording history at the same time the Bible says he created man?
You had millions and millions of years to draw something on a cave wall somewhere but nope, nothing.
Cave painting has been found that goes back over 48,000 years my friend

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Right!!!
Dream on.
Cave Painting
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/0...

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It's just a Coincidence! Billions of years and your millions years old theory wrote nothing until Adam walked the earth.
You are quite the believe in your faith.
There was not a Adam as wrote about in the Bible...Adam and Eve did not exist.

We have solid proof that humans were roaming Africa 200,000 years ago and DNA says there was NEVER just 2 or 4 mating couples that humans sprang from.

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<quoted text>no facts that the mythical fgod in the bible is a vindictive little prick that would be in jail in today's world.
Well it's pretty obvious you don't understand anything about God, then. For that you may be forgiven.

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Your god is a nazi pig...If he is even real....He is mean and if you dont bow down he smashes you..OH YEA SO NICE....NOT.......
Well, you didn't really address any of the finer points of my post, so I can't really believe you're much of a Libertarian. Maybe you're just in it for the pot?

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Edgar wrote:
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So wait - you've just arrived to a claim and the way you intend to prove it's true is by exposing his lack of capability to prove that it isn't?
Sorry, but that doesn't fly in the world of experimentation. You don't just say "I think that toothbrushes are really high-intelligence robots planning to take over society," and then when people call it crazy, say, "Well prove it isn't true!"
You don't assume and then make others disprove your assumptions. You research and then come to a conclusion. That's why religion and science can never integrate. If you follow the Bible religiously then your mind is already made up. There's no room for experimenting. You can't expand from it.
Dude, what are you talking about?

Either the universe is an accident (or always existed), or it was created (not speculating on the creator.)

You may assert one or the other, and provide evidence. Which has already been done.

There is zero evidence of accident, or that the universe has always existed. There is plenty of evidence of it being started, or created, at some point.

I need not make any assertions, they have already been made by COUNTLESS scientists for 300 years or more.

Have you anything to add, or are you just venting?

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Kong_ wrote:
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Wrong.
Again.
"Argument from Authority" would have been a proper rebuke if I claimed that Chef Gordon Ramsay, said that science supported the Theory of Evolution, or that the Top Ten NASCAR drivers all supported the ToE. Providing they are not also considered experts in the biological sciences, then using them as "authorities" in that regard would be fallacious.
Instead YOU said that science didn't support the Theory of Evolution. Using the sources I provided showed without a doubt that science DOES support the Theory of Evolution.
I proved you wrong.
Wrong.

Your sources show the scientific COMMUNITY supporting evolution.

Not the scientific method.

There is a huge difference.

Get it right, and quit playing games with me, King Kong.

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thewordofme wrote:
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Really...every scientific organization on EARTH has this same alternate interpretation and is trying to fool the public??
Are you familiar with paranoia??
Fool the public?

Good grief, man! No one is claiming a conspiracy theory here.

I just know for a fact that human nature easily corrupts the scientific method with bias and politics. And so, many theories have come and gone over the ages.

Like eugenics, and static-state theory.

It's not a conspiracy, silly, it's just new evidence or facts, or a lack thereof. Evolution simply has no scientific evidence, get over it. Why does the scientific community still support it after a 150 years of failing to find evidence?

That's what I'd like to know. Got any idea why billions of dollars and countless years of science is being wasted?

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