Evolution vs. Creation

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Everett, WA

#77886 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I thought science doesn't use the word "believe"
That is just a theory. It doesn't answer the question how flowers and bees and other pollinating insects co-evolved because of their symbiosis in nature.
Anyone who uses the words "just a theory" does not know what a theory is.

Thank you for showing us that you are completely ignorant about science.

Why is it that a person like Cybele will listen when a person in a greasy overall who did not graduate from high school tells her car needs a quart of oil and yet she will not believe people who spent their lives studying biology or paleontology or genetics or any other science related to evolution in any way that yes, we did evolve from one initial cell. And then even when we are willing to share our evidence with her, she thinks she knows better.

And creatards wonder why we get mad at them.

“what we think we become”

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#77887 Feb 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Let me try the link again:
http://www.pnas.org/content/96/18/10254.full
Cybele I know that you won't understand it. But yes, we do have slam dunk evidence that evolution is real.
We have better evidence than that for any person who has been put on Death Row. We have evidence from countless branches of science. To reject evolution you have to reject modern science.
If you think I won't understand it, why don't you explain in plain English? Evolution is not modern science? Since when? Do you mean, REAL Science?

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#77888 Feb 28, 2013
MAAT wrote:
http://www.pnas.org/content/96 /18/10254.full
That should do it.
Plus this short thread should clarify it:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T72...

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#77889 Feb 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Anyone who uses the words "just a theory" does not know what a theory is.
Thank you for showing us that you are completely ignorant about science.
Why is it that a person like Cybele will listen when a person in a greasy overall who did not graduate from high school tells her car needs a quart of oil and yet she will not believe people who spent their lives studying biology or paleontology or genetics or any other science related to evolution in any way that yes, we did evolve from one initial cell. And then even when we are willing to share our evidence with her, she thinks she knows better.
And creatards wonder why we get mad at them.
The source actually said "it is believed" so now there you have it. Your own belief system.

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#77890 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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that's an incomplete definition.
Mathematics .
a.
the act of changing the order of elements arranged in a particular order, as abc into acb, bac, etc., or of arranging a number of elements in groups made up of equal numbers of the elements in different orders, as a and b in ab and ba; a one-to-one transformation of a set with a finite number of elements.
b.
any of the resulting arrangements or groups. Compare combination
In Science, this mathematical permutation can be observed in DNA sequencing.
Yes indeed, just had an entertaining evening with the 27 markers of 9p23 at the TYRP1 gene.(not done frankly)
But neither in micro- nor macrochanges do we say:" cooey, what a nice permutation you got there...well done!"

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true

#77892 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I thought science doesn't use the word "believe"
That is just a theory. It doesn't answer the question how flowers and bees and other pollinating insects co-evolved because of their symbiosis in nature.
Dumb downed info for people who are not familiar with the science. Go take a course in the science, then come back to me.

Unlike you, I don't have a belief that all of science is a big conspiracy lead by Satan to discredit God

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#77893 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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MAAT, don't forget about RA, the source of photosynthesis that permutated the DNA of a lotus. lol
Don't get me started.
Photons do amazing things in plants, or rather plants to them, multiple entanglement of a single photon.(or was that reviewed?)
And we have cells that flinch/contract when uv light hits them.
Even braincells react.
Still have to find a good article though.(that's the annoying thng about popular science programs, no sources, just making you curious.)
But UV light is instrumental in 'creating' handedness.(sorry also need to find a good source again. And creating is just a word i use whe id can't describe the process properly. Oh darn, i used the word 'process'.:000)

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#77894 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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If you think I won't understand it, why don't you explain in plain English? Evolution is not modern science? Since when? Do you mean, REAL Science?
No, to reject evolution you have to reject modern science. I said exactly what I meant. For example if you are a Young Earth Creationist and at least believe the Earth goes around the Sun, then you reject all science from Newton on. That's the last 300 years of science that is being rejected. If you are an OEC you have to throw out the last 150 years of science. If you are an IDiot it is hard to say where we have to draw the line since it seems that even IDiots don't know what they believe.

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#77896 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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SZ,
First of all, all species come from a single cell...in the mother's womb. It's a fact that you evolutionists stole the idea from in the first place. You would think that human DNA is capable of going through all that millions of mutations causing it to evolve from fish pond to amphibial most likely a frog (who was most likely kissed) to a reptilian (snake maybe that seduced Eve) to mammalian with fused chromosome so most likely monkeys (that realized bananas are healthier than penis). You evolutionists are comedy. LOL.
Okay now your just frolicking around.
But do you mind apologizing to the monkey...please

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#77897 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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SZ,
First of all, all species come from a single cell...in the mother's womb. It's a fact that you evolutionists stole the idea from in the first place. You would think that human DNA is capable of going through all that millions of mutations causing it to evolve from fish pond to amphibial most likely a frog (who was most likely kissed) to a reptilian (snake maybe that seduced Eve) to mammalian with fused chromosome so most likely monkeys (that realized bananas are healthier than penis). You evolutionists are comedy. LOL.
Don't be purposefully stupid. You know what is meant, and no, evolutionists did not "steal" that idea. Cybele is digging a hole for herself today. How foolish is she?

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#77898 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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The source actually said "it is believed" so now there you have it. Your own belief system.
Dear one that is just carefull phrasing as is practiced in science.
And when you continue reading you will see a proper bloody dissection. Leading up to a conclusion.
Theory is the highest accolade in science.
But science would not be science is it did not leave the door open for self-correction, thus for improvement or even someone that completely overhrows it with a much better theory that can withstand proof.
So we went from Darwin, via Hamilton, to genomics.
So we are basicly not Darwinists but genomists. Thank you.

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#77899 Feb 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, to reject evolution you have to reject modern science. I said exactly what I meant. For example if you are a Young Earth Creationist and at least believe the Earth goes around the Sun, then you reject all science from Newton on. That's the last 300 years of science that is being rejected. If you are an OEC you have to throw out the last 150 years of science. If you are an IDiot it is hard to say where we have to draw the line since it seems that even IDiots don't know what they believe.
LOL. Did I ever tell you I'm a YEC? Now you're running out of excuses. Why don't you explain your ERV in plain English instead of this nonsense attacks. But you won't, because you use logical and grammatically correct English copy paste as a weapon. Fine and dandy, and quite convenient when you really need it. Because when you explain in plain English it takes away its magic. All of sudden you will be sounding like myth believers about their story of talking snakes.

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#77900 Feb 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Don't be purposefully stupid. You know what is meant, and no, evolutionists did not "steal" that idea. Cybele is digging a hole for herself today. How foolish is she?
I aspire to, like you and word and kit, always offer insightfull links, but end up having to compose a piece in simple English. orrible.

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#77901 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Real Science can provide the same amount of logic in its language with real evidence. So thank you, I don't need your delusional Darwinian theory.
I disagree, science has it's own protocol for terms used. They do have a specific meaning. See you example permutation.
Every time i try to keep it simple i end up with ample posts explaining and clarifying.
Or worst of all some nitwit jumping in and taking the piece apart and accusing me or Genomists in general of not knowing their business.
Maybe it's also the approach. I'm used to looking for the most complex use of any theory and then searching for information so i can understand it. I can get bored quickly with an A to Z approach.

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#77902 Feb 28, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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I aspire to, like you and word and kit, always offer insightfull links, but end up having to compose a piece in simple English. orrible.
And you don't think people making funny and mean jokes about God isn't appropriate? Like I said, everything is based on interpretation. If that's the kind of language they want to use, fine. Let's have it.

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#77903 Feb 28, 2013
Goodnite.

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#77904 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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LOL. Did I ever tell you I'm a YEC? Now you're running out of excuses. Why don't you explain your ERV in plain English instead of this nonsense attacks. But you won't, because you use logical and grammatically correct English copy paste as a weapon. Fine and dandy, and quite convenient when you really need it. Because when you explain in plain English it takes away its magic. All of sudden you will be sounding like myth believers about their story of talking snakes.
Okay let's take the fertilised egg.
Where is it going to nest and why is the nesting place as is??
Is this the case for any mammal?
What are the exceptions?
Since when?
How did it come to be so?

It's just your three year old asking questions.
ffff

Kingston, PA

#77905 Feb 28, 2013
I don't know why we need a space program. There's nothing out there, and nobody exists besides humans and our bio-diversity here on Earth. If they DID exist, we humans still reign supreme because clearly WE would be the ones to contact THEM, and not the other way around. If "extraterrestrials" were so "advanced" then WHY haven't they contacted us yet? And if anyone had any faith at all, they would realize that NOTHING is going to come and end the world until God decides it, and even THEN the world will never be destroyed utterly -- just the non-believers. After all, "the meek shall inherit the Earth" and Jesus will reign as King. Also, why do so many planets CONTINUOUSLY get hit with meteors and asteroids while we just "happen" to get lucky, with maybe an occasional meteoroid grazing or hitting land (Which is probably a warning from GOD anyway)? If any one of you is a scientist or a "logical" atheist who believes science is everything, then try to answer these questions. This is my challenge to all of you. If you can give me an intellectually honest, serious, well-thought-out response that DOESN'T merely have to do with childish insults and name calling, I will then re-consider everything I once thought I knew to be the truth.

___

Apparently no one knows how to answer my questions. I'm giving you ample opportunity to prove me wrong. I'm legitimately interested in your replies, and I promise I WILL NOT mock you. I'm encouraging some healthy debate here.

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#77906 Feb 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Hey Dummy....
The "Scientific Method" cannot respond to your questions any more than "Science" can.
Therefore, the individuals that most USE the Scientific Method (Scientists) are the best resource to employ in responding to your concern about the support of the Theory of Evolution by Science.
Face it.
You painted yourself in a corner.
No escape.
You lost.
Putz.
Best resources? LOL!!!!!!

Says who? What have scientists done lately for the world that any backwater farmer has done, like the Wight Brothers or the vats majority of inventers and innovaotirs that have done FAR MORE FOR SOCIETY THAN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY?

No sir. The scientific community, which is really just information monopoly, has brought us far more terrors like eugenics than anything else.

It is the real scientists like Tesla and Heron of Alexandria, and many other unsung heroes that were NEVER part of any community of scientists that have changed the world.

You are speaking out your ass, and making your "scientists" out to be the new priesthood, which is exactly what they are. We, the PEOPLE, use the scientific method every day. We, the PEOPLE, know more about the world than all the scientists that every have been, and ever will be. We, the PEOPLE, are at the front lines of science ... not those sycophants of Big Business who do as they are told, and obey their masters, and publish papers rather than get their hands dirty in the real world.

You sir, are a fraud with delusions of nobility and blind trust in your secular priesthood of Oz's. You, sir, are a flat-earther.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#77907 Feb 28, 2013
Man only knows what he can see, or touch, or measure. He's locked in to his own limitations and he is inherently flawed. Who is to say Evolution was not planned? We're nothing in this universe and to think we know the answers is rather vain to say the least.

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