Evolution vs. Creation

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#77875 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Who ever said natural selection is not a fact? It is. What you don't have is DNA proof of how one species evolved into another. But you evolutionists are so predictable. You're going to giver reference to all kinds of fossil records which is rare. How do you explain the evolution of flowers and bees and the process of pollination?
Actually we do. And your language is sloppy. Once in a clade a species is always in a clade. What you meant to say is that we have no evidence that different species share a common ancestor. And we have plenty of evidence of that. The nested hierarchy of ERV's is a slam dunk for evolution. Here check this out:http://www.pnas.org/conten t/96/18/10254.full

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#77876 Feb 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Actually we do. And your language is sloppy. Once in a clade a species is always in a clade. What you meant to say is that we have no evidence that different species share a common ancestor. And we have plenty of evidence of that. The nested hierarchy of ERV's is a slam dunk for evolution. Here check this out:http://www.pnas.org/conten t/96/18/10254.full
your link doesn't work. Just like your theory of evolution. You scientists better think of a more sound theory for the similarities of DNA in all species that inhabit the same planet. Got a clue? Oh it's in the environment.

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#77877 Feb 28, 2013
psst...Permutation as oppose to mutation. Do that math instead of made up fairy tales.

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#77878 Feb 28, 2013

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#77879 Feb 28, 2013
To the lovely Cybele,

"There is overwhelming evidence that the ancestors of modern land plants evolved in aquatic environments, where they existed and diversified over millions of years. From one group of these organisms — probably ancestors of modern species of protists known as green algae — emerged a new branch on the tree of life. From this branch arose four groups of land plants, including the mosses, the ferns, the conifers, and the flowering plants. These groups are believed to represent a sequence that reflects the evolutionary history of land plants."
http://www.learner.org/courses/essential/life...

Bees are flying insects closely related to wasps and ants, and are known for their role in pollination and for producing honey and beeswax. Bees are a monophyletic lineage within the superfamily Apoidea, presently classified by the unranked taxon name Anthophila. There are nearly 20,000 known species of bees in seven to nine recognized families,[1] though many are undescribed and the actual number is probably higher. They are found on every continent except Antarctica, in every habitat on the planet that contains insect-pollinated flowering plants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee

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#77880 Feb 28, 2013
Permutation:
•replacement ; substitution ; exchange ; trade to change ; repositioning ; surrogate ; switch

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Well since we are on to fairytales, who put the frog in the crib!

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#77881 Feb 28, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
To the lovely Cybele,
"There is overwhelming evidence that the ancestors of modern land plants evolved in aquatic environments, where they existed and diversified over millions of years. From one group of these organisms — probably ancestors of modern species of protists known as green algae — emerged a new branch on the tree of life. From this branch arose four groups of land plants, including the mosses, the ferns, the conifers, and the flowering plants. These groups are believed to represent a sequence that reflects the evolutionary history of land plants."
http://www.learner.org/courses/essential/life...
Bees are flying insects closely related to wasps and ants, and are known for their role in pollination and for producing honey and beeswax. Bees are a monophyletic lineage within the superfamily Apoidea, presently classified by the unranked taxon name Anthophila. There are nearly 20,000 known species of bees in seven to nine recognized families,[1] though many are undescribed and the actual number is probably higher. They are found on every continent except Antarctica, in every habitat on the planet that contains insect-pollinated flowering plants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee
I thought science doesn't use the word "believe"

That is just a theory. It doesn't answer the question how flowers and bees and other pollinating insects co-evolved because of their symbiosis in nature.

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#77882 Feb 28, 2013
Mutation:
alteration; altering; amending; change; change of form; changing; conversion; modifying; reformation; remodelling; transformation; transposition
bending; turn; variation
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Oooeehh coooeh what a cutieee! As in the wrinkled potato that mothers adore and that you have to admire.
(Darn...did it again...Anonymous, again no popularity score here:))

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#77883 Feb 28, 2013
MAAT wrote:
Permutation:
•replacement ; substitution ; exchange ; trade to change ; repositioning ; surrogate ; switch
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Well since we are on to fairytales, who put the frog in the crib!
that's an incomplete definition.

Mathematics .
a.
the act of changing the order of elements arranged in a particular order, as abc into acb, bac, etc., or of arranging a number of elements in groups made up of equal numbers of the elements in different orders, as a and b in ab and ba; a one-to-one transformation of a set with a finite number of elements.
b.
any of the resulting arrangements or groups. Compare combination

In Science, this mathematical permutation can be observed in DNA sequencing.

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#77884 Feb 28, 2013
Let me try the link again:

http://www.pnas.org/content/96/18/10254.full

Cybele I know that you won't understand it. But yes, we do have slam dunk evidence that evolution is real.

We have better evidence than that for any person who has been put on Death Row. We have evidence from countless branches of science. To reject evolution you have to reject modern science.

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#77885 Feb 28, 2013
MAAT wrote:
Mutation:
alteration; altering; amending; change; change of form; changing; conversion; modifying; reformation; remodelling; transformation; transposition
bending; turn; variation
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Oooeehh coooeh what a cutieee! As in the wrinkled potato that mothers adore and that you have to admire.
(Darn...did it again...Anonymous, again no popularity score here:))
MAAT, don't forget about RA, the source of photosynthesis that permutated the DNA of a lotus. lol

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#77886 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I thought science doesn't use the word "believe"
That is just a theory. It doesn't answer the question how flowers and bees and other pollinating insects co-evolved because of their symbiosis in nature.
Anyone who uses the words "just a theory" does not know what a theory is.

Thank you for showing us that you are completely ignorant about science.

Why is it that a person like Cybele will listen when a person in a greasy overall who did not graduate from high school tells her car needs a quart of oil and yet she will not believe people who spent their lives studying biology or paleontology or genetics or any other science related to evolution in any way that yes, we did evolve from one initial cell. And then even when we are willing to share our evidence with her, she thinks she knows better.

And creatards wonder why we get mad at them.

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#77887 Feb 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Let me try the link again:
http://www.pnas.org/content/96/18/10254.full
Cybele I know that you won't understand it. But yes, we do have slam dunk evidence that evolution is real.
We have better evidence than that for any person who has been put on Death Row. We have evidence from countless branches of science. To reject evolution you have to reject modern science.
If you think I won't understand it, why don't you explain in plain English? Evolution is not modern science? Since when? Do you mean, REAL Science?

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#77888 Feb 28, 2013
MAAT wrote:
http://www.pnas.org/content/96 /18/10254.full
That should do it.
Plus this short thread should clarify it:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T72...

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#77889 Feb 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Anyone who uses the words "just a theory" does not know what a theory is.
Thank you for showing us that you are completely ignorant about science.
Why is it that a person like Cybele will listen when a person in a greasy overall who did not graduate from high school tells her car needs a quart of oil and yet she will not believe people who spent their lives studying biology or paleontology or genetics or any other science related to evolution in any way that yes, we did evolve from one initial cell. And then even when we are willing to share our evidence with her, she thinks she knows better.
And creatards wonder why we get mad at them.
The source actually said "it is believed" so now there you have it. Your own belief system.

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#77890 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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that's an incomplete definition.
Mathematics .
a.
the act of changing the order of elements arranged in a particular order, as abc into acb, bac, etc., or of arranging a number of elements in groups made up of equal numbers of the elements in different orders, as a and b in ab and ba; a one-to-one transformation of a set with a finite number of elements.
b.
any of the resulting arrangements or groups. Compare combination
In Science, this mathematical permutation can be observed in DNA sequencing.
Yes indeed, just had an entertaining evening with the 27 markers of 9p23 at the TYRP1 gene.(not done frankly)
But neither in micro- nor macrochanges do we say:" cooey, what a nice permutation you got there...well done!"

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#77892 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I thought science doesn't use the word "believe"
That is just a theory. It doesn't answer the question how flowers and bees and other pollinating insects co-evolved because of their symbiosis in nature.
Dumb downed info for people who are not familiar with the science. Go take a course in the science, then come back to me.

Unlike you, I don't have a belief that all of science is a big conspiracy lead by Satan to discredit God

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#77893 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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MAAT, don't forget about RA, the source of photosynthesis that permutated the DNA of a lotus. lol
Don't get me started.
Photons do amazing things in plants, or rather plants to them, multiple entanglement of a single photon.(or was that reviewed?)
And we have cells that flinch/contract when uv light hits them.
Even braincells react.
Still have to find a good article though.(that's the annoying thng about popular science programs, no sources, just making you curious.)
But UV light is instrumental in 'creating' handedness.(sorry also need to find a good source again. And creating is just a word i use whe id can't describe the process properly. Oh darn, i used the word 'process'.:000)

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#77894 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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If you think I won't understand it, why don't you explain in plain English? Evolution is not modern science? Since when? Do you mean, REAL Science?
No, to reject evolution you have to reject modern science. I said exactly what I meant. For example if you are a Young Earth Creationist and at least believe the Earth goes around the Sun, then you reject all science from Newton on. That's the last 300 years of science that is being rejected. If you are an OEC you have to throw out the last 150 years of science. If you are an IDiot it is hard to say where we have to draw the line since it seems that even IDiots don't know what they believe.

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#77896 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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SZ,
First of all, all species come from a single cell...in the mother's womb. It's a fact that you evolutionists stole the idea from in the first place. You would think that human DNA is capable of going through all that millions of mutations causing it to evolve from fish pond to amphibial most likely a frog (who was most likely kissed) to a reptilian (snake maybe that seduced Eve) to mammalian with fused chromosome so most likely monkeys (that realized bananas are healthier than penis). You evolutionists are comedy. LOL.
Okay now your just frolicking around.
But do you mind apologizing to the monkey...please

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