Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216695 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Level 1

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#77820 Feb 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, since "Science" does not respond to questions, I can only rely on the the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of PROFESSIONAL SCIENTISTS represented in my post that day in and day out that actually DO science.
Those PROFESSIONAL SCIENTISTS say that modern-day science FULLY supports evolution. As indicated in my post.
Twit.
Argument by authority?

In other words, logic fail ... again.

Sure, "professional" scientists support evolution. I never suggested otherwise.

But the actual application of the scientific principle does not support it. The model still doesn't work, and no amount of "professional" scientists can make a working model yet.

Got it? Good.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#77821 Feb 28, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all. Adaptation cannot change a species from one to another. The adaptation is already a part of its existing nature and DNA. Adaptation has absolutely nothing to do with evolution.
You are either ignorant of evolution and the model, or lying. Which is it?
Sure it can. that is a driving force of evolution.
sickofit

Northfield, MN

#77822 Feb 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Sickofits home town.
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Your making fun of a gerat company that gives away tens of millions to charity and making fun of hard working people who earn a living.....TYPICAL NAZI PIG.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#77823 Feb 28, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Never said I was against science...just stating fact.
Sure, then what was your point?
Edgar

Spring, TX

#77824 Feb 28, 2013
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>That is true. Look how they cooked the books on global warming to be politically correct.In 1973 they said were were on the edge of a new ice age. Man has very little to do with climate change
I have never once in my entire life seen such a ridiculous claim.

Hundreds of millions of buildings pushing out warm air into the atmosphere to cool their homes, exhaust burning from cars, wildfires, slash-and-burn deforestation, fuel jets darting around the skies, and you don't think that's gonna, at some point, heat up the Earth?

You must feel really comfortable in that mentality.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Level 1

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#77825 Feb 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>they use it, but christianity has its moments too.(same god they all worship, so go figure)
the recent christian religious cult movement agaisnt equal marrige in the US is a great example.
Not at all. Islam is by far one of the most evil religions by any standard on earth.

Christianity is by far one of the most ethical, which has brought us human rights and democratic principles and science, as a matter of historical fact.

No, that is no such example at all. Marriage is not a right, but an institution that has evolved over thousands of years for the sake of children and the benefit of the species. Marriage is not a civil right, it is an evolutionary demand for making babies. The very word MARRIAGE means the state of being a MOTHER, for MOTHERHOOD is the center of concern, for which evolution has made the key ingredient for the perpetuation of the species.

What you just showed an example of is profound ignorance with regards to the purpose of marriage on a scientific level. Biased much? If anything, your notion of marriage is as primitive as the Romans or Greeks, where women were regarded as property, and marriage nothing more than a contract.

It is sickening to what extent politics and ideology goes against nature and science, from the eugenics programs, to abortion, and now to absurd attempts at social reconstruction ... as if anyone is qualified to out-evolve society.

How do you plead in your support of crimes against humanity?

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Level 1

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#77826 Feb 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>just stating the fact that the bible points out about its mythical god..
You mean you have factual proof that God is mythical?

Well, by Jupiter, let's hear it!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#77827 Feb 28, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean you have factual proof that God is mythical?
Well, by Jupiter, let's hear it!
no facts that the mythical fgod in the bible is a vindictive little prick that would be in jail in today's world.
sickofit

Northfield, MN

#77828 Feb 28, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, then I agree, but would raise those figures to %90.
God is also a Libertarian. If we obey his very limited laws, we don't need government, or all those silly taxes and regulations. God doesn't like taxes, or titles of nobility. Why, Adam and Eve could have lived the Libertarian dream forever, no clothes, sex whenever, living off the land, and enjoying life.
The problem is the secular Libertarian, such as yourself, is that your beliefs are ultimately based on two main sources.
Thomas Aquinas and his assertion that government is below the people, and subject to the people, and the Founders that agreed, though because mostly Protrestants, couldn't site their Catholic sources for Libertarianism (which is merely call Christianity and free will.) And Ayn Rand is the second source, practically the founder of the Libertarian Party and Reason Magazine, and friends of Reagan.
The problem with Ayn is that she was a Jew, and expressed her Jewish beliefs in secular terms, either wittingly or unwittingly.
Just examine your Libertarian motto. "I, for the love of my life, swear not to live for the sake of any other man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
Right?
We Christians sum it up slightly differently. I, for the love of God, swear not to live for any man, or ask any man to live for us.
Real conservative? Nay, Libertarians and Christians, and Jews, are radical liberals of the most extreme kind, REAL Liberals, not the fake pansies that demand special rights for gays and government officials.
Your god is a nazi pig...If he is even real....He is mean and if you dont bow down he smashes you..OH YEA SO NICE....NOT.......
Edgar

Spring, TX

#77829 Feb 28, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean you have factual proof that God is mythical?
Well, by Jupiter, let's hear it!
So wait - you've just arrived to a claim and the way you intend to prove it's true is by exposing his lack of capability to prove that it isn't?

Sorry, but that doesn't fly in the world of experimentation. You don't just say "I think that toothbrushes are really high-intelligence robots planning to take over society," and then when people call it crazy, say, "Well prove it isn't true!"

You don't assume and then make others disprove your assumptions. You research and then come to a conclusion. That's why religion and science can never integrate. If you follow the Bible religiously then your mind is already made up. There's no room for experimenting. You can't expand from it.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#77830 Feb 28, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Argument by authority?
In other words, logic fail ... again.
Sure, "professional" scientists support evolution. I never suggested otherwise.
But the actual application of the scientific principle does not support it. The model still doesn't work, and no amount of "professional" scientists can make a working model yet.
Got it? Good.
Wrong.

Again.

"Argument from Authority" would have been a proper rebuke if I claimed that Chef Gordon Ramsay, said that science supported the Theory of Evolution, or that the Top Ten NASCAR drivers all supported the ToE. Providing they are not also considered experts in the biological sciences, then using them as "authorities" in that regard would be fallacious.

Instead YOU said that science didn't support the Theory of Evolution. Using the sources I provided showed without a doubt that science DOES support the Theory of Evolution.

I proved you wrong.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#77831 Feb 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no facts that the mythical fgod in the bible is a vindictive little prick that would be in jail in today's world.
Punctuation in fun!

should be:

No, facts that the mythical god......

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#77832 Feb 28, 2013
Edgar wrote:
<quoted text>
So wait - you've just arrived to a claim and the way you intend to prove it's true is by exposing his lack of capability to prove that it isn't?
Sorry, but that doesn't fly in the world of experimentation. You don't just say "I think that toothbrushes are really high-intelligence robots planning to take over society," and then when people call it crazy, say, "Well prove it isn't true!"
You don't assume and then make others disprove your assumptions. You research and then come to a conclusion. That's why religion and science can never integrate. If you follow the Bible religiously then your mind is already made up. There's no room for experimenting. You can't expand from it.
the yahoo isn't real interested in science or facts or such.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#77833 Feb 28, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
This is an Evolution v. Creation discussion, not a theological discussion on beliefs.
I make no claim. And I support neither evolution or creation, and neither has any scientific evidence, and all data is subject to alternative interpretations.
Really...every scientific organization on EARTH has this same alternate interpretation and is trying to fool the public??

Are you familiar with paranoia??

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#77834 Feb 28, 2013
"One of the simplest and best proofs that evolution is a joke, is the FACT that there is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C. The world's history is CLEARY defined by SIX world powers since time began: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Since Rome's fall in 476 A.D., there have been no world-powers (many super-powers; but, no world-powers). At the time of Moses, Egypt ruled the world. The Israelites were used as slave labor by Pharaoh to build the pyramids. Before Egypt, there is absolutely nothing recorded in history about a world-power.
It is NO coincidence that Revelation 17:10 speaks of these world-powers, "...five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." At the writing of Revelation, Rome was still a world-power. The Apostle John, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that Rome is the 6th world-power, and there is one more to come. The 7th world-power will be the beast system, the kingdom of the antichrist. This diabolical New World Order is quickly forming now (i.e., a universal religious view, global centralized government, a one-world economic system, a cashless society, etc.).

Do you think it's a mere coincidence that the Word of God is so concise on world history? The Bible records the beginning of mankind at about 4,000 B.C., and secular history is eerily silent before 4,000 B.C. for those who claim to believe in evolution. If I were an evolutionist, I would be extremely disturbed by this FACT. Prove me wrong! I dare you. I triple-dog dare you to show me any recorded civilization before 4,000 B.C. And I don't mean some pottery jug or item that you claim is 14,000 years old--Show me any evidence of civilization prior to 4,000 B.C. You cannot. In fact, it is difficult to find much recorded history before 2,500 B.C., because the flood of Noah's day destroyed most of it.

How can evolutionists be so naive and foolish as to totally ignore this incredibly obvious fact? There is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C., no writings, no carved stones, no battles, no wars, no countries, no nothing! It's as if mankind just suddenly began (which is exactly what the Bible teaches happened). God created man out of the dirt, the elements, of the earth. "

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%2520...

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#77835 Feb 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
"One of the simplest and best proofs that evolution is a joke, is the FACT that there is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C. The world's history is CLEARY defined by SIX world powers since time began: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Since Rome's fall in 476 A.D., there have been no world-powers (many super-powers; but, no world-powers). At the time of Moses, Egypt ruled the world. The Israelites were used as slave labor by Pharaoh to build the pyramids. Before Egypt, there is absolutely nothing recorded in history about a world-power.
It is NO coincidence that Revelation 17:10 speaks of these world-powers, "...five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." At the writing of Revelation, Rome was still a world-power. The Apostle John, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that Rome is the 6th world-power, and there is one more to come. The 7th world-power will be the beast system, the kingdom of the antichrist. This diabolical New World Order is quickly forming now (i.e., a universal religious view, global centralized government, a one-world economic system, a cashless society, etc.).
Do you think it's a mere coincidence that the Word of God is so concise on world history? The Bible records the beginning of mankind at about 4,000 B.C., and secular history is eerily silent before 4,000 B.C. for those who claim to believe in evolution. If I were an evolutionist, I would be extremely disturbed by this FACT. Prove me wrong! I dare you. I triple-dog dare you to show me any recorded civilization before 4,000 B.C. And I don't mean some pottery jug or item that you claim is 14,000 years old--Show me any evidence of civilization prior to 4,000 B.C. You cannot. In fact, it is difficult to find much recorded history before 2,500 B.C., because the flood of Noah's day destroyed most of it.
How can evolutionists be so naive and foolish as to totally ignore this incredibly obvious fact? There is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C., no writings, no carved stones, no battles, no wars, no countries, no nothing! It's as if mankind just suddenly began (which is exactly what the Bible teaches happened). God created man out of the dirt, the elements, of the earth. "
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%2520...
History cannot be recorded until writing is invented, and that happened way earlier than 4,000 BC. There are tons of civilizations before 4,000 BC, even Egypt existed prior to that by many centuries. Do you just ignore everything that differs from your bible?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#77836 Feb 28, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
really? show me one post that I said against science...I'll wait.
Creatards dont openly state they are against science. They show they are against science by their beliefs. If you said that the universe is ten thousand years old or less you are against all science since and including Newton..... etc. etc. etc.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#77837 Feb 28, 2013
http://mostextreme.org/oldest_civilization.ph...

"The earliest signs of a transition from nomadic to permanent, year-round settlement process can be traced back to the Mediterranean region to as early as 12000 BC, when the Natufian culture became sedentary and evolved into an agricultural society by 10000 BC."

Since recorded history can only exist when writing does, there's this other bit of study we use, it's called archeology. You know, the field many people tried to pass off fraudulent evidence for certain biblical artifacts.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#77838 Feb 28, 2013
Creotards keep saying there is no scientific evidence for evolution....the problem seems to be they can't or won't use the search function of google.com .

The evidence for evolution has primarily come from four sources:
1. the fossil record of change in earlier species
2. the chemical and anatomical similarities of related life forms
3. the geographic distribution of related species
4. the recorded genetic changes in living organisms over many generations

Full Article: http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
**********

Signs of recent evolution by natural selection are widespread across the human genome, experts say.

Genome researchers at the University of Chicago have identified more than 700 regions in human DNA where apparently strong selection has occurred, driving the spread of genes linked to a broad range of characteristics.

"These are very recent events¬ówithin the past ten thousand years," said Jonathan Pritchard, a geneticist whose laboratory team conducted the study.
The results suggest that humans in different regions have continued to adapt in numerous ways to both environmental changes and cultural innovations.

Full Article: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/...

Five Proofs of Evolution: http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-pro...
The Probability of Life: http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/probabil...

Lines of evidence: The science of evolution: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...

National Academy of Sciences information on evolution:
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/ne...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#77839 Feb 28, 2013
Langy, written history goes back to roughly 5,000 years ago:

http://science4heretics.blogspot.com/2011/04/...

Cave drawings can be found that are more than 40,000 years old.

So what if written history is only 5,000 years old. That is not a upper limit on the age of the Earth in any way

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