Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Park City, Utah

#77775 Feb 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Furthermore, you also talked about neanderthals!
Now tell me, those fossils or bones discovered, how did you guys knew/ know it is a bone/ fossil belonging to the neanderthals?
Radiometric dating?
Who made that? Humans? Are humans perfect? No.
Please, Buddy, science has its own limitations.
No, radiometric dating is not used to determine what species bones come from. There is a whole science dedicated to bones. These people can look at a set of bones and tell you if they were male or female, if female, whether they had birthed babies or not, and a whole bunch of further things...just from looking at the bones.

Neanderthal bones are larger (diameter) and stronger, but shorter than the average Homo-sapiens. The skull is different in may ways and the brain pan is larger and held a bigger brain than humans and of course the DNA is different....much more different than the spread of DNA that modern humans carry around.

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#77776 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
they think that when you believe in a God that you're against science. they seem to have a flawed logic. so many scientists believe in God.
so true...it's quite baffling really...it seems if you question their theories about the big bang and the universe "creating" itself, that you somehow are denying that electricity makes your light bulb come on...lol

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#77777 Feb 28, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
so true...it's quite baffling really...it seems if you question their theories about the big bang and the universe "creating" itself, that you somehow are denying that electricity makes your light bulb come on...lol
When you question the theories, you are being a scientist, but you do not, you outright ignore the facts and data and make a blind assertion without evidence then pretend that assertion answers all the questions.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#77778 Feb 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
they think that when you believe in a God that you're against science. they seem to have a flawed logic. so many scientists believe in God.
Um ... no, you are projecting here.
Jack

Darien, IL

#77779 Feb 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
So god got it wrong in the bible?
Interesting.
You'd think he's know better.
You, not so much.
The bible just happened to be written by men. There is no evidence of anything in that book. That's all it is just a good storybook.

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#77780 Feb 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
When you question the theories, you are being a scientist, but you do not, you outright ignore the facts and data and make a blind assertion without evidence then pretend that assertion answers all the questions.
lol...seem to me, every time someone questions scientific theories on this thread, they are called fundamentalist and liars...not scientists as you suggest.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#77781 Feb 28, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Never said I was against science...just stating fact.
Many of your posts show that you are against science. You try to blame the tool for how it is used. If we did the same with Christianity would you cry foul?

Seriously let's see how much science you disagree with. If you are a YEC then you disagree with any science more recent than that of 300 years ago. Yep, YEC's don't like Newton since his mechanics says that the Solar System is billions of years old.

Are you an OEC, then we only have to throw out the science for the last 150 years. You might want to throw out just Darwin, but science does not work that way. The whole body of it is intertangled and tied together. Are you and IDiot, well since IDiocy is poorly defined you still would have to throw out, the last lets' call it 50 years of science. It might be more, it might be less. It just depends upon what sort of IDiot that you are.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#77782 Feb 28, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...seem to me, every time someone questions scientific theories on this thread, they are called fundamentalist and liars...not scientists as you suggest.
Well, when someone actually questions the theories instead of just spouting religious nonsense, they will not be regarded as a deluded imbecile.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

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#77783 Feb 28, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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lol...seem to me, every time someone questions scientific theories on this thread, they are called fundamentalist and liars...not scientists as you suggest.
I have yet to see a fundamental christian on one of these threads actually question a scientific theory based on what that particular scientific theory actually states. The fundies are rather fond of combining 3 or 4 different theories and cramming them all together and lableing it "Evolution".

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#77784 Feb 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, when someone actually questions the theories instead of just spouting religious nonsense, they will not be regarded as a deluded imbecile.
You assertion that people who perceive an intelligence behind the universe, are considered "deluded imbeciles" because of a higher awareness of reality...is quite ironic to say the least...lol

“what we think we become”

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above and beyond

#77785 Feb 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Um ... no, you are projecting here.
how exactly?

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#77786 Feb 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Many of your posts show that you are against science. You try to blame the tool for how it is used. If we did the same with Christianity would you cry foul?
Seriously let's see how much science you disagree with. If you are a YEC then you disagree with any science more recent than that of 300 years ago. Yep, YEC's don't like Newton since his mechanics says that the Solar System is billions of years old.
Are you an OEC, then we only have to throw out the science for the last 150 years. You might want to throw out just Darwin, but science does not work that way. The whole body of it is intertangled and tied together. Are you and IDiot, well since IDiocy is poorly defined you still would have to throw out, the last lets' call it 50 years of science. It might be more, it might be less. It just depends upon what sort of IDiot that you are.
really? show me one post that I said against science...I'll wait.
sickofit

Faribault, MN

#77787 Feb 28, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
You assertion that people who perceive an intelligence behind the universe, are considered "deluded imbeciles" because of a higher awareness of reality...is quite ironic to say the least...lol
You believe in stuff that is not there and in myths and a fairytale.

How is your big daddy sky jew doing today..What has he said to you today??? last week??? last year???? WHAT YOU HAVE NEVER SO MUCH AS SEEN OR HEARD A SINGLE PEEP FROM HIM??????????

Ok two thousand years and no shred of prrof your cults god is real...HOW ABOUT SOME PROOF.

“what we think we become”

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above and beyond

#77788 Feb 28, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
so true...it's quite baffling really...it seems if you question their theories about the big bang and the universe "creating" itself, that you somehow are denying that electricity makes your light bulb come on...lol
and yet they can't figure out how life really started. They are so funny I should start to write it on an e-card. lol

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Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#77789 Feb 28, 2013
I wrote:

Oh, the British have made significant contributions to the world?
That's wonderful!

Charles Idemi wrote:

I suppose that entitles the British to treat the Irish any way they please?
You are Anglophobic!
Find out what the IRA did to innocent souls.

I wrote:

Oh, I misunderstood!
I humbly apologize!
I thought you were arguing that British contributions to the world justified mistreatment of the Irish!
Instead, you were arguing that atrocities committed by the IRA justify mistreatment of the Irish.
Now please explain how atrocities committed by the IRA justify mistreatment of the Irish.

macumazahn wrote:

I can't wait to see this.

If he answers me this time,
he will probably switch to still a third subject.
Anyone want to make a bet?

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#77790 Feb 28, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Yankee Yahoo, if there is so much difference between a religion and a cult,
will you kindly explain that difference to us?
http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneou...

Or, check your local dictionary.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#77791 Feb 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Lie.
A SMALL sample of scientific organizations that support the teaching of Evolution in public schools:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientif...
The American Association for the Advancement of Science is the world's largest general scientific society. The AAAS serves some 262 affiliated societies and academies of science, serving 10 million individuals. A 2002 statement states: "[T]he lack of scientific warrant for so-called 'intelligent design theory' makes it improper to include as a part of science education."[1]
A 2006 statement on the teaching of evolution: "Some bills seek to discredit evolution by emphasizing so-called "flaws" in the theory of evolution or "disagreements" within the scientific community. Others insist that teachers have absolute freedom within their classrooms and cannot be disciplined for teaching non-scientific “alternatives” to evolution. A number of bills require that students be taught to "critically analyze" evolution or to understand "the controversy." But there is no significant controversy within the scientific community about the validity of the theory of evolution. The current controversy surrounding the teaching of evolution is not a scientific one."[2]
American Association of University Professors is an organization of professors and other academics in the United States. AAUP membership is about 47,000, with over 500 local campus chapters and 39 state organizations.[4] "deplores efforts in local communities and by some state legislators to require teachers in public schools to treat evolution as merely a hypothesis or speculation, untested and unsubstantiated by the methods of science, and to require them to make students aware of an "intelligent-design hypothesis" to account for the origins of life. These initiatives not only violate the academic freedom of public school teachers, but can deny students an understanding of the overwhelming scientific consensus regarding evolution."[5]
American Astronomical Society is an American society of professional astronomers and other interested individuals, with over 7,000 members and six divisions. "Intelligent Design" fails to meet the basic definition of a scientific idea: its proponents do not present testable hypotheses and do not provide evidence for their views that can be verified or duplicated by subsequent researchers. Since "Intelligent Design" is not science, it does not belong in the science curriculum of the nation’s primary and secondary schools."[9]
American Chemical Society is a scientific society that supports scientific inquiry in the field of chemistry, with more than 164,000 members at all degree-levels and in all fields of chemistry, chemical engineering, and related fields. It is the world's largest scientific society and one of the leading sources of authoritative scientific information.[10] "urges... State and local education authorities to support high-quality science standards and curricula that affirm evolution as the only scientifically accepted explanation for the origin and diversity of species."[11]
American Geophysical Union The AGU represents over 43,000 Earth and space scientists. "Advocates of intelligent design believe that life on Earth is too complex to have evolved on its own and must therefore be the work of a designer. That is an untestable belief and, therefore, cannot qualify as a scientific theory." [12]
<<cont'd>>
Looks like I caught you lying.

Here is my post again:

I have no mythology.
Modern day science does not support evolution, no more than science supported flat-earth.

I stated SCIENCE, NOT A SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATION, does not support evolution. Organizations are human, and easily influenced, and have agendas.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#77792 Feb 28, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
So you make the claim now please advise of evidence (any evidence) that confirms religious beliefs?
There are 38000+ different cults of christianity, my betting is you are a member of one of those cults.
This is an Evolution v. Creation discussion, not a theological discussion on beliefs.

I make no claim. And I support neither evolution or creation, and neither has any scientific evidence, and all data is subject to alternative interpretations.

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#77793 Feb 28, 2013
sickofit wrote:
<quoted text>
You believe in stuff that is not there and in myths and a fairytale.
How is your big daddy sky jew doing today..What has he said to you today??? last week??? last year???? WHAT YOU HAVE NEVER SO MUCH AS SEEN OR HEARD A SINGLE PEEP FROM HIM??????????
Ok two thousand years and no shred of prrof your cults god is real...HOW ABOUT SOME PROOF.
...and why do you ask me for proof?

why not ask him?

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#77794 Feb 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>No that is the method for evolution. adaption to one's environment.
Not at all. Adaptation cannot change a species from one to another. The adaptation is already a part of its existing nature and DNA. Adaptation has absolutely nothing to do with evolution.

You are either ignorant of evolution and the model, or lying. Which is it?

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