Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216597 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#77609 Feb 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Dreaming. That is the reason why we have, atheism and theism.
You can not rule either out.
Can you?
Unless someone comes up with actual proof of God I rule out that one.

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#77610 Feb 27, 2013
Cybele wrote:
If there is God, where the HELL is he?
Hi, Cybele.

I wondered were people got the idea of heaven and heel.
And apart from interesting ideas in other cultures it simply comes down to translation errors and building on that.
Christinaity is like Windows. Get the base wrong and your forever fixing hick-ups.

The garden-paraiso-paradise (persian) on the plains-eden (Akkadian).'Messengers'* becoming angels with wings.
And Hell was Jerome misunderstanding heylel (hebrew) i Isaiah.
http://www.israelofgod.org/lucifer.htm

*Could frankly be any passer-by, the way the parables go is all about what the beholder attributes to them. And most often it is to dreams.

Obviously the gods are spread in any and everything, even since mankind (and maybe the dinosaurs, but ask Charles Idemi about that) cameup with attributions. Collective memory wouls also be a good one.

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#77611 Feb 27, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Where did Jesus say he was when he said the lords prayer? It is opposite to hell..I just wanted you to know that.
That is avoiding the question. Since when was a son o man ever the same as god.
Again translation trouble. This time from another persian dialect called Aramaic. That we are told Jesus spoke.
Son of god-son of governors. So either the actual son of an elder or alos an elder of the house of judges i.e. courthouse.

So if we can get all those wrong attributions out and stop borrowing and looking for confirmations of errors in the torah (adding insult to injury imo.), the story is nothing more but a report on the roman provinces.

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#77612 Feb 27, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus is at the right hand of God the father in heaven. Jesus and the father are one. It is hard for many people to understand this.
The use of he word 'father' also comes from aramaic, so it's frankly silly to use a hebrew book to justify these notions.
You should look in Avestan ideas and the religion of Baal and the gang of Gad-Cybele (who started out as Cybeke a Hurrian queen) for the origin and explanation of christian ideas.
So NW syrian turf.

Right hand is symbolism for power. So you simply wrote that nametitle-jesus is at the power of god + added aramaic notion plus akkadian notion.

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#77613 Feb 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No, that was just an in-complete defeat. No one can completely defeat the almighty God.
Adam and Eve sinned, but God raised Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, etc, to fill in the gaps.
God can raise any body any time.
I always find it amazing how christians can get so many incompatible interpretations, antagonistic and contradicting points of view merged into one.

Ah well most lack theological education.(And i mean proper European. In America everyone can become priest/minister no need for at least greek, latin and hebrew and aramaic or mythological knowledge.)

“When you treat people as they ”

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#77614 Feb 27, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Me too.
What???

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#77615 Feb 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You don't understand any thing, do you?
Jesus Christ was the word or spirit, that became flesh to die for you .
And that became the catholic church.
So why does it not die for us!

It must be B.S. thus, since they never took the logical consequence all the way to the end.

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#77616 Feb 27, 2013
Or we are to conclude that the catholic church considers itself the resurrected god.

And that would not be far from the truth, as from the chair speaking with the authority of god and thus being the word of god.

Revelation has therefore allready be fullfilled, in all their wars on, and calling others the anti-christ.
And how often have others not called them the beast-lamb with the seals broken.

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#77617 Feb 27, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Saved from what??
If so we don't have to keep on fretting or swear some allegance to being saved.
It's either done or not.
Otherwise we have god wavering about, as if it's some petition to sign up YES/NO, and the outcome is pending on the committee's announcement after the count.

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#77618 Feb 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> As it ever occurred to you that several people before you, have said more than that/ this, but today the y are no more while the work of God to date, continues.
No one can stop God, except he or she one can stop death!
Impossible!!!
So you are unable to admit you are a liar, how very christian of you.

And you are still unable to show any proof, how very christian of you.

And I see you still have your fingers in your ears and chant “la, la, la, la”

Has it ever occurred to you that the vast majority of those doing that work for god since his invention (offshoot of the aten sun god) some 4000 years ago are also dead. Their constituent molecules and atoms are in the air you breathe, the food you eat and the water you bathe in.

And people are still staying “that/this”

Your belief in god makes not the slightest difference to fact

P.S.“In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return”- Genesis 3:19 KJV

Just something for you to think about while you ponder god magic and the extent of life.
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#77620 Feb 27, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know whether or not there is a god who is all-knowing, all-loving, and all-wise,
but I think that if there is such a god,
he would realize that that comment was destructive criticism,
and disapprove for that reason.
Charles is long lost in the his authoritarian interpretation of the Bible. He's reached that plebeian stage where he feels that he's paid his dues and that others MUST submit to subjugation or pay their dues in the school of hard knocks. If I didn't know better, I'd assume that he's the average American Joe from a run-down old neighborhood in the Northeast-Great Lakes area that was once populated by litigious union workers.

Still looking for a shred of insight or even self-awareness of his state of existence, but otherwise, there's not a quantum of useful information in anything he posts.
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#77622 Feb 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> There is a cause behind every action or a reason behind every action.
Read through the bible and see for yourself.
Don't condemn things you know nothing about.
Don't condemn things you know nothing about? Charles! You and sickofit DO have something in common after all!...But can't you find someplace private to engage in your rituals? You WILL do it. Even conservative congressmen eventually obey their master.

Don't worry. We'll provide you both with fancy Latin words so you can convince yourselves that you have scientific legitimacy, but only if you stop wandering around waiting for some poor fool to be stupid enough to invite you in.

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#77623 Feb 27, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry charlie...Adam and Eve as written in the Bible is impossible. The 200,000 year old humans is an archaeological fact. The DNA evidence is fact. The small percentage of blood/genes of Neanderthals that all humans (except sub-Saharan Africans) carry is factual.
There is no factual evidence at all that humans were created 6,000 years ago...none. We know for a fact that 6,000 years ago there were millions of humans ALL over the earth...there is NO controversy over this fact...ALL scientists (and the science) whose work impinges on the matter agree.
Neanderthal my foot. No concrete evidence confirming that guess(es).
You can not rule out that possibility of a first man and woman.
sickofit

Northfield, MN

#77624 Feb 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> There is a cause behind every action or a reason behind every action.
Read through the bible and see for yourself.
Don't condemn things you know nothing about.
I have read bible front to back..YOUR GOD IS MEAN NASTY HATE FILLED AND BIGOTED.......He is also a egomaniac. His way or the highway do as he says or fry......EVEN IF YOUR CULT GOD IS REAL HE IS NOT WORTHY OF WORSHIP./

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treat you they get offended.

#77625 Feb 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Neanderthal my foot. No concrete evidence confirming that guess(es).
You can not rule out that possibility of a first man and woman.
Yes there is, your ignorance does not change fact. The majority of the human race carries between 2% and 4% Neanderthal DNA
http://aurora.wells.edu/~jschnurr/Biol152/ch%...
http://bioinformatica.uab.es/base/documents%5...

The human female genetic line traced in mitochondrial dna is around 200,000 years old. The human male genetic line traced through the Y chromosome is around 120,000 years old.

Are you saying that the first man was in to some serious necrophilia?

Remember, this is DNA we are talking about, it is not a babble story, it is very accurate. The validity is good enough to prove murder and in some countries commit a person to execution.

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#77626 Feb 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> " Almighty ", is just a word.
God is a title for Yaweh, it is capitalised. Others are Elshaddai, Elohim, Rapha, Adonai, Nissi, Shekinah, etc, all in caps.
Almighty as it applies to God is a title (note the 'The' before it) and therefore should be capitalized.

Haggar the Horrible,
Alexandre the Great,
God the Almighty,
etc.

“I see quantum effects”

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In the macro world.

#77627 Feb 27, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe there is scripture that says God is warlike, but I can't find it right now. I'll keep looking.
Of course all of this depends on God being real..:-)
Well, jesus said this:

34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth.
I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

“I see quantum effects”

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In the macro world.

#77628 Feb 27, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
What???
I forgot.
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#77629 Feb 27, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes there is, your ignorance does not change fact. The majority of the human race carries between 2% and 4% Neanderthal DNA
http://aurora.wells.edu/~jschnurr/Biol152/ch%...
http://bioinformatica.uab.es/base/documents%5...
The human female genetic line traced in mitochondrial dna is around 200,000 years old. The human male genetic line traced through the Y chromosome is around 120,000 years old.
Are you saying that the first man was in to some serious necrophilia?
Remember, this is DNA we are talking about, it is not a babble story, it is very accurate. The validity is good enough to prove murder and in some countries commit a person to execution.
For the sake of clarity, the current theory is that we have a percentage of Neanderthal DNA but the Neanderthals were a distinctly separate group from our early ancestors, often referred to as Homo Heidelbergensis. At some point in prehistory there was mating between our ancestors and the Neanderthals. As a result, we have snippets of Neanderthal DNA but no full chromosomes can be traced back to Neanderthal ancestry.

The "mitochondrial Eve" and "Y chromosomal Adam" are mere abstractions for reading entertainment in the Christian world. All they really represent is the newest genetic marker that all men or all women have in common that can be reasonably proven to have come from a single ancestor.

In truth, the mitochondrial Eve may have actually been a mutation that first occurred in a male, but had to be passed on to a daughter for it to propagate.

I just feel it's important to explain the mechanics before the train jumps the tracks. When the first tests of the Neanderthal genome were done, a lot of people were stating there was absolutely no Neanderthal genes within the modern gene pool. I don't know if the scientists were misheard or if they completely forgot about chromosomal crossover, but the announcements were flawed, and the current estimates may be flawed as well. The genome, human or otherwise, isn't particularly well mapped as yet.

Personally, I think the significance of mitochondria is underestimated as it may demonstrate extreme prejudice as to which traits do get retained from one generation to the next. In fact, I might propose that there is an inherent psychological prejudice in individuals that favors the maternal lineage, but a masculine "death wish"(bad wording, Freud always favored Mom anyway!)that favors infiltrating outside groups with one's offspring.

It's sort of like comparing the 2000's with the 1960's. Both cultures were incredible boorish in their own way.:o)

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#77630 Feb 27, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I forgot.
Me too – what can I say???

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