Evolution vs. Creation

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#76881 Feb 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
[QUOTE]"Matthew 12:40 and discover the true story. Jesus said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Now turn to John 11:9 and read this rhetorical question by Jesus, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight?" By putting these two verses together we see Jesus establishes he would spend in the heart of the earth 36 hours"

No, just no. Rhetorical question or not John 11:9 has nothing to do with Matthew 12:40 since there are twelve hours in the night too. Again, he did not say three twelve hour days, he said three days and three nights. That is 72 hours. You failed, and the Bible failed.
It is amazing the gymnastics some will go through when their most cherished belief is shown to shoot itself in the foot.
Part 2

" We do read in Luke 24: 1-3, "On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus." Clearly, those who arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning discovered an empty tomb, not Jesus rising from the dead in front of them. So to answer your question… "How did Jesus die on Friday and rise on Sunday and is said to have been dead for 3 days?" He didn't die on Friday… being the Son of God, his divine spirit departed his human body while on the cross Wednesday afternoon, his earthly body was then placed in a tomb near sunset that same day. His spirit returned to his body at sunset on Saturday to resurrect as a glorified earthly body. His body was soon discovered missing from the tomb early Sunday morning by his followers.
Which begs the question - where did his spirit go for those three days? Many bible verses are involved, but the summary is this... he went to Paradise (in the heart of the earth) and took all there to heaven. Paradise was a temporal place for believers of the "Coming Messiah" from the Garden of Eden to The Cross. The last person to enter Paradise was one of the criminals who hung on the cross next to Jesus. The reason believers of the "Coming Messiah" could not enter heaven upon their death, was due to the fact that Jesus had to die on the cross for the sins of all mankind - past, present and
future so they could obtain right standing with God through the substitutionary atonement of His death on the cross. Jesus rightfully so... went straight to Paradise to bring the Old Testament believers to heaven, as they now had right standing with God. In Paradise were famous believers like Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Daniel, Jeremiah, and many others too numerous to list. As well as the throngs of nameless believers of the Old Testament. Therefore, Jesus was quite busy those three days with moving multitudes of believers from Paradise to Heaven, and getting them settled into their new mansion homes in heaven. What a glorious time that must have been! Three days later, he returned to his human body on earth, rose from the dead, and remained on earth for an additional forty days. He performed many important tasks during this time, with the most important being to prepare the disciples for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, ten days after his ascension, on the Day of Pentecost. "

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#76883 Feb 21, 2013
By the way, did you know that the four gospels cannot agree on 1. Who went to the tomb. 2. What time it was. 3. How many beings there were when they showed up at the tomb. 4. If the beings were angels or men. 5. Who they first saw after visiting the tomb.

You would think that the one most single important "fact" in the Bible would not have contradictory stories concerning it.

That is some "perfect" book.

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#76884 Feb 21, 2013
TaylorChristineCreations wrote:
We were created by aliens that look similar to us only bigger and more intelligent. They came from nibiru or Planet X. All the facts are there the Sumerians wrote about all of this in stone tablets.
wiki nibiru babylonian astronomy.
[...]
When Marduk fixed the locations (manzazu) of Nibiru, Enlil and Ea in the sky.[2]
As the highest point in the paths of the planets, nibiru was considered the seat of the summus deus who pastures the stars like sheep, in Babylon identified with Marduk. This interpretation of Marduk as the ruler of the cosmos suggesting an early monotheist tendency in Babylonian religion by various authors.[3][4]

The corresponding constellation was in the area of Libra. The Nibiru constellation rose in the month of Tiritum, around autumnal equinox, and Nibiru was also a name for the planet Jupiter[5] when observed in the month of Tiritum.

In the enumerations, Nibiru is mentioned at different astronomical locations in conjunction with the positions of stars and planets,[2] mostly as the "star of Marduk", as in the Enuma Elish: "Nibiru is [Marduk's] star, which he made appear in the heavens ...[130-131] The stars of heaven, let him [Nibiru] set their course; let him shepherd all the gods like sheep."[6]

The various stars or planets were not subject to any fixed interpretation. The "star of Ea", for example, was described at various "revelation spots" including Vela, Fomalhaut, and Venus. Similar interpretations were made for the other "stars of the gods", so certain celestial coordinates where the "stars of the gods" appeared must be considered.[2]

Nibiru is described more closely on a complete cuneiform tablet:[7]

Nibiru, which is said to have occupied the passageways of heaven and earth, because everyone above and below asks Nibiru if they cannot find the passage. Nibiru is Marduk's star which the gods in heaven caused to be visible. Nibiru stands as a post at the turning point. The others say of Nibiru the post: "The one who crosses the middle of the sea (Tiamat) without calm, may his name be Nibiru, for he takes up the center of it". The path of the stars of the sky should be kept unchanged.
Bhl calls the text "objectively the most difficult passage, although it has been handed down in its entirety. The Nibiru tablet does not provide any essential help for the clarification."[8]

In the MUL.APIN, Nibiru is identified as Jupiter:

"When the stars of Enlil have been finished, one big star although its light is dim divides the sky in half and stands there: that is, the star of Marduk (MUL dAMAR.UD), Nibiru (n-b-ru), Jupiter (MULSAG.ME.GAR); it keeps changing its position and crosses the sky."
Conversely, Tablets K.6174:9 and K.12769:6 refer to it as Mercury: "If Mercury (MULUDU.IDIM.GU4) divides the sky and stands there,[its name] is Nibiru."[6]

[edit] References^ Akkadian Dictionary: nēbertu *, nēburu in Akkadian Dictionary
^ a b c (German) Ernst Weidner in: Reallexikon der Assyriologie, vol. 2, de Gruyter, Berlin 1978, p. 381
^ Alfred Jeremias, Babylonisches im Neuen Testament (1905), p. 106; Monotheistische Strmungen innerhalb der babylonischen Religion (1904 lecture, printed in 1905).
^ Levenson, Jon Douglas (November 1994 Reprint edition). Creation and the persistence of evil: the Jewish drama of divine omnipotence. Princeton University Press. p. 131. ISBN 978-0-691-02950-4. http://books.google.co.uk/books... .

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#76885 Feb 21, 2013
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We were created by aliens that look similar to us only bigger and more intelligent. They came from nibiru or Planet X. All the facts are there the Sumerians wrote about all of this in stone tablets.

[...]
wiki nibiru babylonian astronomy

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#76886 Feb 21, 2013
OK what's up with the Nibiru, planet X stuff. That's about as true as Moses and the Exodus....Not..:-)

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#76887 Feb 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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How many times do you have to be told, that is not evidence, that's still an assertion you are presenting. I asked for evidence. Do you need to have what evidence is explained to you?
Since you can not answer the given question or present or give me the slightest evidence against my claims, i will/ would say you are asserting.

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#76888 Feb 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
OK what's up with the Nibiru, planet X stuff. That's about as true as Moses and the Exodus....Not..:-)
It's certainly about as silly.

I think we have a coupla Art Bell fans here.

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#76889 Feb 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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All that says is that you are making it up as you go along.
From my assessment, i have seen that majority of you here are always in support of those that favours you while against those that disfavours you.
That is the reason why you are all clueless, even in death.

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#76890 Feb 21, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Charles Idemi wrote:
He is the same today, yesterday and forever.
I wrote:
Then why does Luke 2:52 say that "Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man"?
Charles Idemi wrote:
Remember, Jesus came in the form of flesh, to be born of a woman.
So, he must grow definitely from being a child to an adult.
And thats supposed to reconcile Luke 2:52 with your statement that Jesus is the same today, yesterday and forever?
If so, I don't understand. Please explain further.
If not, thank you for the red herring.
Red herring?
I would advise you to do some (more) on figures of speech.
What i meant was that, the same miracles performed by Jesus then, are still performed by credible people in his name.

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#76891 Feb 21, 2013
My advice, Pat, do some more research on figures of speech.
Using the phrase,'' Red Herring ", always makes you look clueless or empty.
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#76892 Feb 21, 2013
there is a planet made of diamond that they found using red shift or a super powered telescope or something..
lamboflight

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#76893 Feb 21, 2013
a galactic Earth queen will probably go there and mine the shit out of it..

and take all the diamonds for herself..

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#76894 Feb 22, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Christians believe Jesus and the biblical reason for his suffering to be true. The Bible is true and if believing it makes Christians enemies of the world, then thats just the way it goes.
Your misunderstanding is expected, you are after all a christian and viewing this from the christian point.

What causes the friction is not the babble, after all its just a book of old wives tales and bedtime stories and there are plenty of them around. Nor is it the christian belief in the stories contained in that book, we all have belief of one sort or another, you are as entitled to yours as I am to mine. There can be no law to limit thought, which is why I am perfectly within my rights to think you are a blithering moron but I digress.

Nope the problem arises when christards attempt to force their personal belief over the personal belief of others using lies and deceit cherry picked from that book of old wives tales and bedtime stories.

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#76895 Feb 22, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Your misunderstanding is expected, you are after all a christian and viewing this from the christian point.
What causes the friction is not the babble, after all its just a book of old wives tales and bedtime stories and there are plenty of them around. Nor is it the christian belief in the stories contained in that book, we all have belief of one sort or another, you are as entitled to yours as I am to mine. There can be no law to limit thought, which is why I am perfectly within my rights to think you are a blithering moron but I digress.
Nope the problem arises when christards attempt to force their personal belief over the personal belief of others using lies and deceit cherry picked from that book of old wives tales and bedtime stories.
That about sums it up.

Hi, Chris.

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#76896 Feb 22, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
What i meant was that, the same miracles performed by Jesus then, are still performed by credible people in his name.
Another red herring!
How nice!

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#76897 Feb 22, 2013
Sorry, Marky, but I don't know any other term that means "observation that draws attention away from the central issue in an argument or discussion."

If you want me to stop accusing you of dragging red herrings, then stop dragging red herrings.

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#76898 Feb 22, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Halleluyah!
That is the reason why all the so called atheist, liars, etc, using science as a shield or cover, must end up surely in the grave or as a soil, while God's work continues.
Dont work that way.

Some of that truth comes from science, some from logic and some from hard physical fact. Just because it shows your faith to be not factual but simple belief does not make those scientists, thinkers and fact finders liars, it means that you have a belief.

To be atheist you simply do not need to lean on a god crutch, any god crutch. To be a liar you need to either deliberately or compulsively distort the truth, as christians are so good at doing.

To call those who know through physical evidence that your belief is not factual liars is just a pathetic admission that you are clueless godbot of little intelligence.

And selectively making BS up claiming that death does not apply to you because you believe in a god is the wishful thinking of clueless a godbot of little intelligence and no evidence to confirm it.

What this boils down to is your nasty, incredulous and ignorant attitude to anyone who does not follow your exact delusion. A delusion based on NOTHING but bronze age and iron age books with NO actual evidence to back up that delusion.

And you call people, who see the physical evidence liars? How do you sleep at night?

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#76899 Feb 22, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Ouch!
Among all the world's religion, Christianity stands out most.
As the biggest group of deluded fanatical liars who learned all the want to know from their genocidal, child murdering apologist for rape and slavery of a god?
FREE SERVANT

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#76900 Feb 22, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Your misunderstanding is expected, you are after all a christian and viewing this from the christian point.
What causes the friction is not the babble, after all it&#8217;s just a book of old wives tales and bedtime stories and there are plenty of them around. Nor is it the christian belief in the stories contained in that book, we all have belief of one sort or another, you are as entitled to yours as I am to mine. There can be no law to limit thought, which is why I am perfectly within my rights to think you are a blithering moron but I digress.
Nope the problem arises when christards attempt to force their personal belief over the personal belief of others using lies and deceit cherry picked from that book of old wives tales and bedtime stories.
I say th Bible is the greatest book ever compiled, can you name one greater?

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#76901 Feb 22, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>That about sums it up.
Hi, Chris.
Morning Mac, cheers, hows it going?

Heres one Ive pondered over, why do so many Irish Americans dress in green on St Pats day?

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