Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221479 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Langoliers

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#76868 Feb 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Must grasp at straws.

Sorry, that excuse does not fly when he specifically claims that he will be buried three days and three nights. Read the verse again. That can apply if you use a very very liberal definition of "day", and that was not the definition of "day" at that time since a day went from sunset to sunset.

So your own book disagrees with itself. Of course this is just one of many many self contradictions in the Bible. And there will always be people who try to explain the errors away.
I thought that was interesting.
But no the Bible does not conflict with its self.

Again part 1

"Matthew 12:40 and discover the true story. Jesus said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Now turn to John 11:9 and read this rhetorical question by Jesus, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight?" By putting these two verses together we see Jesus establishes he would spend in the heart of the earth 36 hours (3x12) for day and 36 hours (3x12) for night. Therefore, we know the three days and three nights he spoke of in Matthew 12 would have to equal 72 hours. In John 19:31 we read, "Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath…" Therefore, we see that the Sabbath in John 19:31 is not the regular Saturday Sabbath observed on non-festival weeks, but rather a special Passover Sabbath, which commenced on Wednesday at sunset, rather than Friday at sunset. Not only did it start on Wednesday at sunset... but it continued on through three days until Saturday at sunset when the Passover celebration ended. This is why you read about the women returning to Jesus' tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday). This is because the special 3 day Sabbath had ended and they were very eager to get back to the tomb to add more spices to his body."

Langoliers

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#76869 Feb 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>I Must grasp at straws.
.
Part 2

"So now that we see Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, let's go to Luke 23: 44-46 to pinpoint the time he died. "It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour… Jesus called out with a loud voice, Father into your hands I commit
my spirit. When he had said this, he breathed his last." When it says the ninth hour, it means the ninth hour since the break of day. In other words, it was about three o'clock in the afternoon when Jesus died. Then after obtaining permission from Pilate,(which could have easily taken 1-2 hours) Jesus was taken down from the cross and hurriedly buried just before sundown, probably sometime around 6:00 p.m. Remember that Jewish Sabbath days begins at sundown on one day and end at sundown the next. In Leviticus 23:32, God stated, "From the evening… until the following evening you are to observe your Sabbath." So if you count 72 hours from late Wednesday afternoon at around 5-6:00 p.m., you will see that Jesus would have risen and left his tomb at around 5-6:00 p.m. on Saturday. Therefore, a Sunday resurrection is not what the Bible reveals to us at all. We do read in Luke 24: 1-3, "On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus." Clearly, those who arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning discovered an empty tomb, not Jesus rising from the dead in front of them. So to answer your question… "How did Jesus die on Friday and rise on Sunday and is said to have been dead for 3 days?" He didn't die on Friday… being the Son of God, his divine spirit departed his human body while on the cross Wednesday afternoon, his earthly body was then placed in a tomb near sunset that same day. His spirit returned to his body at sunset on Saturday to resurrect as a glorified earthly body. His body was soon discovered missing from the tomb early Sunday morning by his followers.
Which begs the question - where did his spirit go for those three days? Many bible verses are involved, but the summary is this... he went to Paradise (in the heart of the earth) and took all there to heaven. Paradise was a temporal place for believers of the "Coming Messiah" from the Garden of Eden to The Cross. The last person to enter Paradise was one of the criminals who hung on the cross next to Jesus. The reason believers of the "Coming Messiah" could not enter heaven upon their death, was due to the fact that Jesus had to die on the cross for the sins of all mankind - past, present and
future so they could obtain right standing with God through the substitutionary atonement of His death on the cross. Jesus rightfully so... went straight to Paradise to bring the Old Testament believers to heaven, as they now had right standing with God. In Paradise were famous believers like Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Daniel, Jeremiah, and many others too numerous to list. As well as the throngs of nameless believers of the Old Testament. Therefore, Jesus was quite busy those three days with moving multitudes of believers from Paradise to Heaven, and getting them settled into their new mansion homes in heaven. What a glorious time that must have been! Three days later, he returned to his human body on earth, rose from the dead, and remained on earth for an additional forty days. He performed many important tasks during this time, with the most important being to prepare the disciples for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, ten days after his ascension, on the Day of Pentecost. "

Since: Feb 13

Fort Myers, FL

#76870 Feb 21, 2013
We were created by aliens that look similar to us only bigger and more intelligent. They came from nibiru or Planet X. All the facts are there the Sumerians wrote about all of this in stone tablets.

Langoliers

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#76871 Feb 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>All that says is that you are making it up as you go along.
I like the new hair cut!

Much better.

Langoliers

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#76872 Feb 21, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>You just quote any old thing.

New Moon - A small crescent sliver of moon is visible. The first day that the moon is visible after the dark moon and up to three days after that .
Attested any and everywhere in the ANE since the bronze age.

Johan out at sea means the sea is compared to sheol.

And as to your link, if Azariah is of the rabbiniacl jews and not the karaites he would know when things are meant to be taken as metaphore and not literal.

Have christians ever not taken it literal...is more to the point.
No not just any old thing I really that this guy was pretty funny. Had to post it. The real stuff has been posted.

Langoliers

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#76873 Feb 21, 2013
TaylorChristineCreations wrote:
We were created by aliens that look similar to us only bigger and more intelligent. They came from nibiru or Planet X. All the facts are there the Sumerians wrote about all of this in stone tablets.
That is great reading!

6000 years old. I love those.

"bigger and more intelligent. "
Did I mention that I'm one of them?

LOL

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#76874 Feb 21, 2013
MAAT wrote:
chapeter verse? Eloteman.
http://bible.cc/ezekiel/28-2.htm
(Here one can also read up as to what the actual sin of Sodom was...not being hospitable.)
Ezek.28 allready makes clear that the relam above the stars are forbidden turf.
But i'll look on for the actual verse.
Jeremiah 31:37 the other part.

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#76875 Feb 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
No not just any old thing I really that this guy was pretty funny. Had to post it. The real stuff has been posted.
The real stuff and the simili to onah just being trivialia?
Well i must have missed that real stuff then.

Unless i start self-referencing. The moonphase etc.

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#76876 Feb 21, 2013
ah former page treife. You should read church history and adaptation of the calendar.

It might sound cute to you but it's not.

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Everett, WA

#76877 Feb 21, 2013
Oh Langy, no one tells a Christian joke like you do.
Face it, your Bible contradicts itself. I do love how you trip all over your own feet trying pathetically to prove otherwise.

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Everett, WA

#76879 Feb 21, 2013
"Matthew 12:40 and discover the true story. Jesus said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Now turn to John 11:9 and read this rhetorical question by Jesus, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight?" By putting these two verses together we see Jesus establishes he would spend in the heart of the earth 36 hours
No, just no. Rhetorical question or not John 11:9 has nothing to do with Matthew 12:40 since there are twelve hours in the night too. Again, he did not say three twelve hour days, he said three days and three nights. That is 72 hours. You failed, and the Bible failed.
It is amazing the gymnastics some will go through when their most cherished belief is shown to shoot itself in the foot.

Langoliers

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#76880 Feb 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
[QUOTE]"Matthew 12:40 and discover the true story. Jesus said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Now turn to John 11:9 and read this rhetorical question by Jesus, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight?" By putting these two verses together we see Jesus establishes he would spend in the heart of the earth 36 hours"

No, just no. Rhetorical question or not John 11:9 has nothing to do with Matthew 12:40 since there are twelve hours in the night too. Again, he did not say three twelve hour days, he said three days and three nights. That is 72 hours. You failed, and the Bible failed.
It is amazing the gymnastics some will go through when their most cherished belief is shown to shoot itself in the foot.
Again part 1

"Matthew 12:40 and discover the true story. Jesus said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Now turn to John 11:9 and read this rhetorical question by Jesus, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight?" By putting these two verses together we see Jesus establishes he would spend in the heart of the earth 36 hours (3x12) for day and 36 hours (3x12) for night. Therefore, we know the three days and three nights he spoke of in Matthew 12 would have to equal 72 hours. In John 19:31 we read, "Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath…" Therefore, we see that the Sabbath in John 19:31 is not the regular Saturday Sabbath observed on
non-festival weeks, but rather a special Passover Sabbath, which commenced on Wednesday at sunset, rather than Friday at sunset. Not only did it start on Wednesday at sunset... but it continued on through three days until Saturday at sunset when the Passover celebration ended. This is why you read about the women returning to Jesus' tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday). This is because the special 3 day Sabbath had ended and they were very eager to get back to the tomb to add more spices to his body. So now that we see Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, let's go to Luke 23: 44-46 to pinpoint the time he died. "It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour… Jesus called out with a loud voice, Father into your hands I commit
my spirit. When he had said this, he breathed his last." When it says the ninth hour, it means the ninth hour since the break of day. In other words, it was about three o'clock in the afternoon when Jesus died. Then after obtaining permission from Pilate,(which could have easily taken 1-2 hours) Jesus was taken down from the cross and hurriedly buried just before sundown, probably sometime around 6:00 p.m. Remember that Jewish Sabbath days begins at sundown on one day and end at sundown the next. In Leviticus 23:32, God stated, "From the evening… until the following evening you are to observe your Sabbath." So if you count 72 hours from late Wednesday afternoon at around 5-6:00 p.m., you will see that Jesus would have risen and left his tomb at around 5-6:00 p.m. on Saturday. Therefore, a Sunday resurrection is not what the Bible reveals to us at all."

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#76881 Feb 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
[QUOTE]"Matthew 12:40 and discover the true story. Jesus said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Now turn to John 11:9 and read this rhetorical question by Jesus, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight?" By putting these two verses together we see Jesus establishes he would spend in the heart of the earth 36 hours"

No, just no. Rhetorical question or not John 11:9 has nothing to do with Matthew 12:40 since there are twelve hours in the night too. Again, he did not say three twelve hour days, he said three days and three nights. That is 72 hours. You failed, and the Bible failed.
It is amazing the gymnastics some will go through when their most cherished belief is shown to shoot itself in the foot.
Part 2

" We do read in Luke 24: 1-3, "On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus." Clearly, those who arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning discovered an empty tomb, not Jesus rising from the dead in front of them. So to answer your question… "How did Jesus die on Friday and rise on Sunday and is said to have been dead for 3 days?" He didn't die on Friday… being the Son of God, his divine spirit departed his human body while on the cross Wednesday afternoon, his earthly body was then placed in a tomb near sunset that same day. His spirit returned to his body at sunset on Saturday to resurrect as a glorified earthly body. His body was soon discovered missing from the tomb early Sunday morning by his followers.
Which begs the question - where did his spirit go for those three days? Many bible verses are involved, but the summary is this... he went to Paradise (in the heart of the earth) and took all there to heaven. Paradise was a temporal place for believers of the "Coming Messiah" from the Garden of Eden to The Cross. The last person to enter Paradise was one of the criminals who hung on the cross next to Jesus. The reason believers of the "Coming Messiah" could not enter heaven upon their death, was due to the fact that Jesus had to die on the cross for the sins of all mankind - past, present and
future so they could obtain right standing with God through the substitutionary atonement of His death on the cross. Jesus rightfully so... went straight to Paradise to bring the Old Testament believers to heaven, as they now had right standing with God. In Paradise were famous believers like Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Daniel, Jeremiah, and many others too numerous to list. As well as the throngs of nameless believers of the Old Testament. Therefore, Jesus was quite busy those three days with moving multitudes of believers from Paradise to Heaven, and getting them settled into their new mansion homes in heaven. What a glorious time that must have been! Three days later, he returned to his human body on earth, rose from the dead, and remained on earth for an additional forty days. He performed many important tasks during this time, with the most important being to prepare the disciples for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, ten days after his ascension, on the Day of Pentecost. "

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#76883 Feb 21, 2013
By the way, did you know that the four gospels cannot agree on 1. Who went to the tomb. 2. What time it was. 3. How many beings there were when they showed up at the tomb. 4. If the beings were angels or men. 5. Who they first saw after visiting the tomb.

You would think that the one most single important "fact" in the Bible would not have contradictory stories concerning it.

That is some "perfect" book.

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#76884 Feb 21, 2013
TaylorChristineCreations wrote:
We were created by aliens that look similar to us only bigger and more intelligent. They came from nibiru or Planet X. All the facts are there the Sumerians wrote about all of this in stone tablets.
wiki nibiru babylonian astronomy.
[...]
When Marduk fixed the locations (manzazu) of Nibiru, Enlil and Ea in the sky.[2]
As the highest point in the paths of the planets, nibiru was considered the seat of the summus deus who pastures the stars like sheep, in Babylon identified with Marduk. This interpretation of Marduk as the ruler of the cosmos suggesting an early monotheist tendency in Babylonian religion by various authors.[3][4]

The corresponding constellation was in the area of Libra. The Nibiru constellation rose in the month of Tiritum, around autumnal equinox, and Nibiru was also a name for the planet Jupiter[5] when observed in the month of Tiritum.

In the enumerations, Nibiru is mentioned at different astronomical locations in conjunction with the positions of stars and planets,[2] mostly as the "star of Marduk", as in the Enuma Elish: "Nibiru is [Marduk's] star, which he made appear in the heavens ...[130-131] The stars of heaven, let him [Nibiru] set their course; let him shepherd all the gods like sheep."[6]

The various stars or planets were not subject to any fixed interpretation. The "star of Ea", for example, was described at various "revelation spots" including Vela, Fomalhaut, and Venus. Similar interpretations were made for the other "stars of the gods", so certain celestial coordinates where the "stars of the gods" appeared must be considered.[2]

Nibiru is described more closely on a complete cuneiform tablet:[7]

Nibiru, which is said to have occupied the passageways of heaven and earth, because everyone above and below asks Nibiru if they cannot find the passage. Nibiru is Marduk's star which the gods in heaven caused to be visible. Nibiru stands as a post at the turning point. The others say of Nibiru the post: "The one who crosses the middle of the sea (Tiamat) without calm, may his name be Nibiru, for he takes up the center of it". The path of the stars of the sky should be kept unchanged.
Bhl calls the text "objectively the most difficult passage, although it has been handed down in its entirety. The Nibiru tablet does not provide any essential help for the clarification."[8]

In the MUL.APIN, Nibiru is identified as Jupiter:

"When the stars of Enlil have been finished, one big star although its light is dim divides the sky in half and stands there: that is, the star of Marduk (MUL dAMAR.UD), Nibiru (n-b-ru), Jupiter (MULSAG.ME.GAR); it keeps changing its position and crosses the sky."
Conversely, Tablets K.6174:9 and K.12769:6 refer to it as Mercury: "If Mercury (MULUDU.IDIM.GU4) divides the sky and stands there,[its name] is Nibiru."[6]

[edit] References^ Akkadian Dictionary: n&#275;bertu *, n&#275;buru in Akkadian Dictionary
^ a b c (German) Ernst Weidner in: Reallexikon der Assyriologie, vol. 2, de Gruyter, Berlin 1978, p. 381
^ Alfred Jeremias, Babylonisches im Neuen Testament (1905), p. 106; Monotheistische Strmungen innerhalb der babylonischen Religion (1904 lecture, printed in 1905).
^ Levenson, Jon Douglas (November 1994 Reprint edition). Creation and the persistence of evil: the Jewish drama of divine omnipotence. Princeton University Press. p. 131. ISBN 978-0-691-02950-4. http://books.google.co.uk/books... .

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#76885 Feb 21, 2013
The server bugged again.
quote:
We were created by aliens that look similar to us only bigger and more intelligent. They came from nibiru or Planet X. All the facts are there the Sumerians wrote about all of this in stone tablets.

[...]
wiki nibiru babylonian astronomy

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Evolution is true.....

#76886 Feb 21, 2013
OK what's up with the Nibiru, planet X stuff. That's about as true as Moses and the Exodus....Not..:-)

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#76888 Feb 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
OK what's up with the Nibiru, planet X stuff. That's about as true as Moses and the Exodus....Not..:-)
It's certainly about as silly.

I think we have a coupla Art Bell fans here.

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#76889 Feb 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
All that says is that you are making it up as you go along.
From my assessment, i have seen that majority of you here are always in support of those that favours you while against those that disfavours you.
That is the reason why you are all clueless, even in death.

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#76890 Feb 21, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Charles Idemi wrote:
He is the same today, yesterday and forever.
I wrote:
Then why does Luke 2:52 say that "Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man"?
Charles Idemi wrote:
Remember, Jesus came in the form of flesh, to be born of a woman.
So, he must grow definitely from being a child to an adult.
And thats supposed to reconcile Luke 2:52 with your statement that Jesus is the same today, yesterday and forever?
If so, I don't understand. Please explain further.
If not, thank you for the red herring.
Red herring?
I would advise you to do some (more) on figures of speech.
What i meant was that, the same miracles performed by Jesus then, are still performed by credible people in his name.

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